zoony Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Everyone calling Zorn a class act, I'm convinced, are either incredibly naive or worse. Between the swinging gate bull****, his simple simon game plans, and his absolute unwillingness to do the RIGHT thing and step down (Vinny has him beat in the class department), I'm not sure how anyone can call him a class act. His actions in Washington were beyond simple incompetence. ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel Hog Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Because the Zorn move was kinda like Vinny taking the 3rd string WR, and making him our starting QB. You don't blame the player. You blame Vinny for putting him there. I agree here. I'm glad Zorn isn't the HC anymore, but I don't have any hard feelings towards him. Zorn and the Redskins just weren't a good match. I actually kinda liked the guy, and hope he does well in Baltimore (except for Saturday night). The silver lining with Zorn...because we derailed so horribly, I think Snyder finally woke up. I'm confident that the organization is heading in the right direction (even if we're not so hot this year), and that the Redskins will soon be a major factor again in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Everyone calling Zorn a class act, I'm convinced, are either incredibly naive or worse.Between the swinging gate bull****, his simple simon game plans, and his absolute unwillingness to do the RIGHT thing and step down (Vinny has him beat in the class department), I'm not sure how anyone can call him a class act. His actions in Washington were beyond simple incompetence. ..... I dunno Zoony. Zorn definitely earned his pink slip, but when exactly do you think he should have stepped down? Would it have done any good? At least the Skins seemed to play with some heart during a mid-season stretch until the end-of-year implosion. And if he "steps down," then he's labeled as a quitter. Damned if you do, damned if you don't....... And Vinny "has him beat in the class department" because he "stepped down?" All a matter of semantics. Inevitably Cerrato was going to have no choice in the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 I dunno Zoony. Zorn definitely earned his pink slip, but when exactly do you think he should have stepped down? He should have stepped down when he decided to not put maximum effort into the job anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomE Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Point of view is everything. The "he should have stepped down" followed by "he's a coward for quitting". The FO should have just cut the guy as soon as they felt he wasn't working but instead, by all appearances, they undermined they guy looking to save a few bucks with his "retirement". The whole Zorn hiring was a muck in the mire situation from the get go. Gibbs quit and the FO did their "due dilligence/if it ain't broke don't fix it" thing. "the FO should have been prepared for the situation" but they weren't and we ended up with Zorn. For many, Zorn was a breath of fresh air and possible gem of unproven quality. He didn't pan out, that's obvious now, but how much backing of power and support in player aquisition did the FO offfer up to enable him to succeed? Was he allowed final say on the 53, was he allowed to open up QB competition, was he allowed meaningful input on draft day, was power to discipline all his. Was he even able to give unfettered "full effort" after he was kneecapped by the FO? Largent urged Zorn to leave the organization, Zorn did not and his reasoning was not to be a quitter. I accept that as good enough No "boo" from my seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Because the Zorn move was kinda like Vinny taking the 3rd string WR, and making him our starting QB. You don't blame the player. You blame Vinny for putting him there. Then Zorn did his best to scuttle the team because of his nonsense, all while taking an "Aw, shucks" attitude. The guy should have never been hired even as OC, but his actions were hardly what I'd call "classy." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Largent urged Zorn to leave the organization, Zorn did not and his reasoning was not to be a quitter.I accept that as good enough His actions and product on-field looked like someone who essentially quit, just not on-paper. I understand he didn't want to lose his paycheck, but that's his own choice. He could have at least put a hair of effort into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 His actions and product on-field looked like someone who essentially quit, just not on-paper. I understand he didn't want to lose his paycheck, but that's his own choice. He could have at least put a hair of effort into it. Exactly. And not sure how anybody could feel differently after the swinging gate fiasco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 He should have stepped down when he decided to not put maximum effort into the job anymore. Touche, Z. But then perhaps this is what Snyder/Cerrato gets for not putting maximum effort into hiring a head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Touche, Z.But then perhaps this is what Snyder/Cerrato gets for not putting maximum effort into hiring a head coach. oh I think Vinny put maximum effort into it, which is the scary part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gortiz Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 So how will you react when you see Jim Zorn? If at the stadium and I saw him, i would smile to myself, and remember what a goof ball he was. then I would scowl and think WHAT A HORRIBLE JOB DANNY AND VIN DID OF SUPPORTING HIM. Not even Lombardi could have succeeded under those two during that time ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gortiz Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 His actions and product on-field looked like someone who essentially quit, just not on-paper. I understand he didn't want to lose his paycheck, but that's his own choice. He could have at least put a hair of effort into it. what danny and vin did to him was flat out disrespectful and humiliating. he was a fool for not walking out on them. why in the world would you not quit on someone that has quit on you. damn the contract. the fact that he stuck around and saw the entire thing through says volumes about zorn, and I do belive he gave more effort than dan and vin deserved. spurrier? saban? the clown for atlanta? those guys are dogs and spineless, not zorn. the swinging gate play was more of an F-YOU DAN than it was an admission of quitting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 spurrier?......those guys are dogs and spineless, not zorn. I don't think the OBC found it any easier working for those two clowns than Zorn did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icbmayday Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Anyone who is drunk will probably boo him 40 percent of the crowd should be booing then lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butz65 Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 the swinging gate play was more of an F-YOU DAN than it was an admission of quitting. It came across as an F-You Redskins fans. Zorn seemed lost and confused last season (even before the FO brought in others to help). His goofiness, lack of discipline, strange comments, etc. wore thin as this team barely beat the Rams, lost to the Lions, showed no heart down the stretch, became the laughingstock of the NFC East. The swinging gate play was icing on the cake, a little dig to top it all off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botched Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 He's a goddamn Raven now. Hell yes I would boo him, just like I would boo John Harbaugh or any of the other Ratbird coaches. F those DC wannabes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 I don't really care. He's too nice a guy for me to really have animosity toward him. Also, I admired the fact that he refused to resign since he had money coming his way if he waited for Snyder to fire him. I'm glad he's gone because he was hopelessly over-matched, but I'm sure he'll do fine as a QB coach in Baltimore. All in all, it'll be a nice reminder that we're light-years ahead of where we were in 2008-2009. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadium-Armory Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 I wouldn't boo him because something about it seems wrong at a gut level. Booing an opposing team, or even player is generally about the colors and less about the individual person. If he's being booed as a Raven, fine, but booing him for not being very good at his previous job seems petty. We should be above that sort of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butz65 Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Wow - you're right. I'm changing my mind. Jim welcome back - thank you for the wonderful job you did for my beloved Redskins. Thank you for turning them into the bottom feeders of the league. Thank you for making the Lions look good. I'm really sorry you had to suffer embarrassment in the media last season while collecting millions of $$$. Here - please take my dream seat on the field, would you like a beer? Can I get you a hot dog? I'll just stand back here and be medium. Oh, please don't make that confused face you displayed weekly on the field last season - I didn't realize you don't like relish. Oh - you like my maroon and black hat - hip hip hooray!!! Say hi to Flacco for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 .... Thank you for turning them into the bottom feeders of the league...... We've been rubbish for ages. We had 2 paloff appearances off the back of trading picks for vets, with varying degrees of success. Add on to that a FO out of control. Players could go to the owner to talk about how the team is going? HC has to go through and explain the game plan to the owner? Zorn or anyone else were going to fail there, the problem has been acknowledged and dealt with. I think Zorn did a good job of stopping it from getting very nasty in public and picked up a good chunk of change to boost the kid's college funds. We kind of all won that one IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomE Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 His actions and product on-field looked like someone who essentially quit, just not on-paper. I understand he didn't want to lose his paycheck, but that's his own choice. He could have at least put a hair of effort into it. We have no way of knowing his intent or how much effort the guy tried to make by the way he "looked" on the field. His demeanor on the field might have been an effort to change up and be better at his job come game day, his "non-quitting" posture was not working. They players themselves and the FO need to take some of that product on the field responsiblilty. Zorn's lack of experience and ability contributed but any effort to save the ship would have been futile in that stormy sea. The guy's tenure is over, time to settle into the new "era". If one must BOO the guy then fine, just don't hate him for things that were pretty much out of his control and based how one thinks he "looked" toward the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
First Colony Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 The OP asked what would happen when he is shown on the Big Screen. Why would an opposing QB COACH get on the screen? Because he used to coach the Redskins? We should be booing the cameraman at that point for putting him up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butz65 Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 We've been rubbish for ages. We had 2 paloff appearances off the back of trading picks for vets, with varying degrees of success. Things have been bad but I can't remember too many 4-12 seasons since Gibbs I. Add on to that a FO out of control. Players could go to the owner to talk about how the team is going? HC has to go through and explain the game plan to the owner? This to me smacks of a head coach with no spine. Not a reason to exonerate Zorn. Zorn or anyone else were going to fail there, the problem has been acknowledged and dealt with. I think Zorn did a good job of stopping it from getting very nasty in public and picked up a good chunk of change to boost the kid's college funds. Zorn made the mess worse because he was a joke. Things did get nasty and awkward in public because Zorn didn't have the balls to quit (also because he couldn't call plays). We kind of all won that one IMO. Wow how our standards have fallen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gortiz Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 We've been rubbish for ages. We had 2 paloff appearances off the back of trading picks for vets, with varying degrees of success.Add on to that a FO out of control. Players could go to the owner to talk about how the team is going? HC has to go through and explain the game plan to the owner? Zorn or anyone else were going to fail there, the problem has been acknowledged and dealt with. I think Zorn did a good job of stopping it from getting very nasty in public and picked up a good chunk of change to boost the kid's college funds. We kind of all won that one IMO. you are spot on Peter ... spot on. zorn gets no blame for 08-09. he was given a chance and i would ike to belive he tried his best under impossible managment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z0eboy Posted August 17, 2010 Share Posted August 17, 2010 Hey ES'ers, I HATED THE ZORN ERA... I even started a thread at the beginning of the 2008 preseason which described the warnings I attempted to debate... I did 1 thread that ENTIRE ERA due to the Zorn catastrophe. Zorn catastrophe link - http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=250474 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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