LAT: Medical treatment carries possible side effect of limiting homosexuality

[skinfan133]

Hell, the deficiency/defect/deformation could be with us hetero's.

quoting for emphasis, hopefully the hilarity is apparent.

[twa]

Not entirely, but it does have those implications possibly.

It looks like the lesbians have a dilemma here: this potentially validates the idea that its genetic, which should be good news to them. On the other side, it also could validate the idea that homosexuality, since its genetic, is a genetic defect, and nobody likes being called defective.

Trying to apply a possible effect of this medical condition to the greater same sex population is a bit of a reach w/o data relating the two.

Or did I miss a connection outside this subgroup?

[Zguy28]

Trying to apply a possible effect of this medical condition to the greater same sex population is a bit of a reach w/o data relating the two.

Or did I miss a connection outside this subgroup?

What I was saying was that this could lead to homosexuality being labeled as genetic defect. That doesn't affect the "greater same sex population?"

[Destino]

What I was saying was that this could lead to homosexuality being labeled as genetic defect. That doesn't affect the "greater same sex population?"

I think it was safe to say that at any point if a treatment was discovered that turned gay people straight or stopped them from becoming gay in the first place... they be labeled as defective. The question would then be is that accurate? The answer unfortunately would be as unpopular as it is obvious.

[Popeman38]

So, does this mean we are accepting the notion that one's sexual preference has a genetic or biological basis?

I absolutely believe sexual preference is biological. EVERYTHING is biological. Genetic, I am not so sure of. But biological I think is obvious. Especially when you see higher concentrations in certain physical environments.

[greenspandan]

pretty sure there is no defect in trying to repopulate the planet with more of 'us'

well, from an evolutionary standpoint, it could also be beneficial to have a certain percentage of a population be gay once a certain population density is achieved, as a means of preventing overpopulation.

[Zguy28]

I absolutely believe sexual preference is biological. EVERYTHING is biological. Genetic, I am not so sure of. But biological I think is obvious. Especially when you see higher concentrations in certain physical environments.

It gets even more complicated since now scientists say that genetics (and the genes they pass on to offspring) can change throughout a person's life based on their health, circumstances etc.

[Ken]

Well, I know that this is probably going to be unpopular, but what else do you expect from me?

I have long contended that the meteoric rise in Homosexuality is directly attributable to the rise in chemicals in our food and water. BPA (Biphenosol-A) found in plastics is an estrogen compound. Not only that, but it messes with the endocrine system and causes mental and behavioral changes. Gee, this couldn't cause a rise in Homosexuality, could it?

I realize homosexuality has been around since the stone age, but I believe that the occurrence of it has risen dramatically over the past couple of decade.

BPA is one compound that is in our food and other products, but how about the hormones that our found in our water supplies at varying levels? I have seen numerous articles about how much drugs and hormones are in our water and even read about how male fish become females due to the rise in Estrogen in the water....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6436617/

Just my opinion but I think this is a purposefully caused phenomenon.

[zoony]

Well, I know that this is probably going to be unpopular, but what else do you expect from me?

I have long contended that the meteoric rise in Homosexuality is directly attributable to the rise in chemicals in our food and water. BPA (Biphenosol-A) found in plastics is an estrogen compound. Not only that, but it messes with the endocrine system and causes mental and behavioral changes. Gee, this couldn't cause a rise in Homosexuality, could it?

I realize homosexuality has been around since the stone age, but I believe that the occurrence of it has risen dramatically over the past couple of decade.

BPA is one compound that is in our food and other products, but how about the hormones that our found in our water supplies at varying levels? I have seen numerous articles about how much drugs and hormones are in our water and even read about how male fish become females due to the rise in Estrogen in the water....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6436617/

Just my opinion but I think this is a purposefully caused phenomenon.

I think I remember reading a paper once about the Ancient Greeks and their love for bottled water.

[Ken]

I think I remember reading a paper once about the Ancient Greeks and their love for bottled water.

The ancient greeks swung both ways and didn't walk around with lisps....lol.

I think....lol.

[Ken]

Also, to further enhance my point, don't forget that the military "Considered" a gay love bomb....lol.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,281217,00.html

Unless you believe they can only prevent you from being gay and not the other way around.

[zoony]

Also, to further enhance my point, don't forget that the military "Considered" a gay love bomb....lol.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,281217,00.html

Unless you believe they can only prevent you from being gay and not the other way around.

A lone researcher asked for money, the government told him no. What am I missing?

[Ken]

A lone researcher asked for money, the government told him no. What am I missing?

Nothing.

Other than the fact that you believe that it was one guy, that they would admit they have such technology, and that you believe this is not possible given that "One researcher" asked for 7.5 billion dollars for research into it.

[Larry]

Just my opinion but I think this is a purposefully caused phenomenon.

Mandrake, do you ever wonder why I drink nothing but pure, distilled, water? Or rain water? And only pure grain alcohol?

[grhqofb5]

I have a nephew who suffers from this condition. It's not as much of an issue when a boy is afflicted by it, but its still going to cause the child problems (early puberty, excessive body hair, shortness).

Can't imagine why anyone would have an issue with a girl receiving this treatment so that she's not born with ambiguous genetalia. It's not like this treatment is being provided to mothers carrying healthy children, for the purpose of preventing homosexuality.

[stevenaa]

So, if we come up with a treatment that cures blackness, will that be your position?

"See, even if it's genetic, I can still claim it's a choice, because the parents didn't cure it's defects"

The old straw man comaprison to race. Care to forge a better argument against a 'cure' if one was discovered.

[Destino]

A lone researcher asked for money, the government told him no. What am I missing?

You seem to be missing the hilarious nature of a gay love bomb.

You know how many jokes are hiding in that topic? haha

[Larry]

The old straw man comaprison to race. Care to forge a better argument against a 'cure' if one was discovered.

The old technique of running away from reality you don't like.

Care to come up with a better excuse that "even if it's genetic, it's still a choice (but only with regards to gayness"?

Your statement was that genetic conditions for which a "cure" exists are choices. (And therefore, OK to discriminate against.)

My question stands: If a "cure" is found for a different genetic condition, will you then argue that it's OK to discriminate against them, because after all, they chose not to cure it?

[Larry]

You seem to be missing the hilarious nature of a gay love bomb.

You know how many jokes are hiding in that topic? haha

Mel Brooks is kicking himself.

[RansomthePasserby]

This does raise an interesting dillema.

Let's say it's discovered homosexuality is a biological abnormality/imperfection. Perhaps some kind of chemical imbalance. Is it ethical to correct it?

What if they found a way to correct crooked teeth? Shortsightedness?

Alternatively, what if they found out the belief in God was a genetic abnormality. Would it be ethical to correct it?

[Larry]

This does raise an interesting dillema.

Let's say it's discovered homosexuality is a biological abnormality/imperfection. Perhaps some kind of chemical imbalance. Is it ethical to correct it?

"Abnormality/imperfection" are opinions. They can never be proven. It's just "in the eye of the beholder".

Now, if it's a genetic condition, I think can be shown. But, that's not a value judgment.

(And on the subject of homosexuality, I'd assert that the fact that people do, in fact, "change sides", indicates to me that it isn't even a genetic condition. That at most, the genes may create a predisposition. Which may be stronger in some than in others.)

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IMO, if you really want to create a hypothetical dilemma, take the value judgment out of it.

Suppose that the gay predisposition can be detected and treated in the womb. Leave aside the moral judgment. Think of it as something like eye color.

If a treatment existed that would permit parents to chose their child's eye color. Should it be allowed?

Do parents have the authority to order that medical treatments be performed on their children, simply on the basis of "I want my child to have X characteristic"?

[RansomthePasserby]

Do parents have the authority to order that medical treatments be performed on their children, simply on the basis of "I want my child to have X characteristic"?

I think that's what it comes down to. At the moment, I honestly don't know what my opinion is. I'd need to study it, and get more info. As Dr. Grant says in Jurrasic Park, "The world is changing so fast, and we're all running to catch up."

EDIT: I wonder, if parents don't have the authority to perform treatments on their child, do they have to authority to perform abortions?

[twa]

Do parents have the authority to order that medical treatments be performed on their children, simply on the basis of "I want my child to have X characteristic"?

It's not a person ...remember?

Tis simply manipulating a clump of cells...would you deny choice or control of a woman's body?:beatdeadhorse:

[ljs]

lesbianism is an art form...

way to go science ..booo.

I see this research as helping something physical, not mental. Homosexuality is a thought process, its not one of your organs. Are all men w/ small penis's gay if women w/ big (you know what) are lesbians? Come on now...(btw I hear there are some gay guys w/ HUGE ....)

[Destino]

If tomorrow a cure came out for homosexuality, gay populations world wide would shrink dramatically over two-3 generations. Unless the cure only worked on adults I can't imagine that any debate short of horrible side effects would change the minds of parents that would rather have straight kids.