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I will keep it real with you. No one wants Suarez except Arsenal because most of the top strikers are at their clubs. I dont think Madrid does either. At most, 43 million but I see Suarez and his agent taking you guys to court over this. Arsenal did not make that bid without first talking to Suarez's agent.

Dont mind it tbf, he wont be eligible to play in premier league until September

see a last day deal coming. Hopefully Liverpool will be better prepared to bring in a replacement than they were when Torres left. I fully expect Suarez to had in an official transfer request in the middle of August after Liverpool rejects all offers under 50 million...

I disagree. In my opinion, plenty of teams want Suarez. They don't want him at the price Liverpool is demanding. Why would you pay full price? Suarez is equal parts fantastic player and headache for the club. For all his crazy, Suarez will definitely make any team better. Once the Bale to Madrid saga is over, Madrid may jump back in for Suarez. We will see

On a side note: Did you slide in a 'Keep it real'? What's next? Are you going to tell me to talk to the hand? Just kidding....

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Absolutely bt.

Before Mourinho came back and changed things, if Arsenal had brought in 2 or 3 World class players through the spine of the team with experience like you mentioned I had you down to end the drought with City in disarray and Utd going with a novice. (Smiles as always at Richmond.).

I'll never understand Arsene's need to play budget manager at Arsenal. I mean I admire his principles. But he's there to win things not fall short because he won't splash out on what's needed.

 

I'm not a giant Arsenal supporter, but I do like the way they try to play and have found them fun to watch (by the way, I have a Liverpool supporter's shield that I bought on my only trip to England back in 1984) and still hope they do well.

 

I can't understand why Arsenal and Wenger try to keep getting by on the cheap, especially with the way that ManU, City, and Chelsea spend money like they print it in the basement.  They will never get a better chance to win a title than what was given to them this year as you said.  Even with Mou in for the Blues, it is still a team in flux and will take time to gel.  I agree 100% with you that had Arsenal added a strong CB, a central Mid with some size and skill, and maybe a striker or attacking mid/striker, they really could have been favorites to win the EPL.  Instead, they just blow smoke around and say they are trying.  Sad, really.

 

As far as Suarez, how would you feel if he stays for another season (or maybe sold during Winter break)?  Do you think his heart would be in it?  Could they make a decent run at top 4?  If he has his head on straight, I could see Pool making a good run this season.

 

BTW - I'm a Bayern fan at heart (since I was 8).

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Good Lord, 1984. The glory that was Rome x2. Seems a lifetime back when I was 9 trying to sell records and **** to get the money together to go the game and then pacify me Ma to have someone take me (or at least 'think' I had a chaperone) as she was scared witless back in the dark days of soccer in the '80's. That was actually one of our lowest seasons for average crowds as successful as it ultimately was winning three trophys. But then when that ***** Thatcher had decimated the City and put most everyone out of work it was little wonder ..... But I digress ....

Suarez- I can't see any way how you can keep a player that openly doesn't want to be there, what ever the official club line is. His wife and kid are already now living in Spain so that alone upsets his domestic life. Even today requesting to speak to Areenal, the guy is still adamant he wants out so, so be it. Just waiting for Raal to enter the equation and the real money to start flying about.

As for the overal season ..... I can't say as as I'm as optimistic as yourself. I personally think we'll struggle to make the top 6. Never mind the top 4. Still a young, developing team that's in need of upgrading in quite a few areas without the serious money available to do that. (Witness our lower end purchases thus far.).

Trying times still at Anfield with the uncertainty over the ground redevelopment/ owners commitment/ player acquisitions/ no European football et all.

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I will keep it real with you. No one wants Suarez except Arsenal because most of the top strikers are at their clubs. I dont think Madrid does either. At most, 43 million but I see Suarez and his agent taking you guys to court over this. Arsenal did not make that bid without first talking to Suarez's agent.

Dont mind it tbf, he wont be eligible to play in premier league until September

see a last day deal coming. Hopefully Liverpool will be better prepared to bring in a replacement than they were when Torres left. I fully expect Suarez to had in an official transfer request in the middle of August after Liverpool rejects all offers under 50 million...

I disagree. In my opinion, plenty of teams want Suarez. They don't want him at the price Liverpool is demanding. Why would you pay full price? Suarez is equal parts fantastic player and headache for the club. For all his crazy, Suarez will definitely make any team better. Once the Bale to Madrid saga is over, Madrid may jump back in for Suarez. We will see

On a side note: Did you slide in a 'Keep it real'? What's next? Are you going to tell me to talk to the hand? Just kidding....

I keep tings a hunnid bredrin

 

You are right about the price, but I dont think any other club will bid over 40. Its just Arsenal.

 

 

 

 

 

SO HAPPY FOR DC UNITED!!! WE GOT A STADIUM!!!!

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What's the highest tax rate in the UK? In Europe?

 

Who pays the income tax? Player or club?

 

Is AS Monaco exempt from taxes?

Players in France pay roughly 55% of income taxes, now the lousy socialists are forcing the clubs to pay a 75% tax on players salaries exceeding €1 million. The Ligue is trying to force Rybolovlev from Monaco to pay €200 millions because they're income tax free down there. Monaco always had this special tax status, in 2013 all of a sudden the Ligue is realizing it !!! What a joke.

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Suarez now has permission to talk to Arsenal but we're not selling for anything less than £ 50 million.

How does that work?

Hail.

 

Well I guess it allows Suraez to discuss and agree persona terms but no transfer can happen until the clubs then agree a fee. Personally I think Arsenal are mental investing circa $50M plus his contract in Suarez BUT he will make them a much better team while he is on the field.

 

For me Wenger would be better investing that money in a quality goalkeeper, centre half and midfield player to play alongside Wilshire. 

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Whilst I agree totally with you on Arsenals needs Martin (well, almost totally A 20 goal a season World class forward is still a gaping hole for them); I'd beg to differ on his value. If Torres could gk for £ 50 million (a sullen, narky Torres who was, and still is after injury a pale shadow of the player he was his first few years in England); then £ 50 million is most definitely where the starting price should be set for Suarez.

For all his problems, the fella's a World class talent in the park. And people will ALWAYS pay for that over anything else. He's a game changer and then some. And a FAR better all round player than Torres could ever wish to be. Not as clinical as the Spaniard was a few years back. But overall a far better player.

Personally just waiting for Madrid to tie up Bale and then complete their new 'Galactico' look with Luis. Seriously doubt he ends up at another English club but we'll see.

Hail.

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Whilst I agree totally with you on Arsenals needs Martin (well, almost totally A 20 goal a season World class forward is still a gaping hole for them); I'd beg to differ on his value. If Torres could gk for £ 50 million (a sullen, narky Torres who was, and still is after injury a pale shadow of the player he was his first few years in England); then £ 50 million is most definitely where the starting price should be set for Suarez.

For all his problems, the fella's a World class talent in the park. And people will ALWAYS pay for that over anything else. He's a game changer and then some. And a FAR better all round player than Torres could ever wish to be. Not as clinical as the Spaniard was a few years back. But overall a far better player.

Personally just waiting for Madrid to tie up Bale and then complete their new 'Galactico' look with Luis. Seriously doubt he ends up at another English club but we'll see.

Hail.

 

I think £50M is a lot for a player with the baggage Suraez brings. I love him as a player and he would make any team better - I totally agree he is world class but ...... I think he is worth the gamble for a club like Real and Barca but for Arsenal its putting all their eggs in one basket with a bit of a wonky handle! Too much risk for me in Arsenal's position.

 

On Torres I agree Suraez is a better all round player but as a striker and goal scorer Torres at his peak was the very best in the world in my opinion - the valuation was silly but was a function of the market at the time. It looks like Torres will never get back to what he was at that peak but if anyone can get the best from him its Mourinho.

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I loved Torres before he turned into a Judas lil' rat. Guy could of become an all time legend. But I always thought Villa was the better forward of the two an arguably the best World wide at the time.

But it's subjective and both were terrificly consistent over those few years.

Hail.

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Suarez is not worth 50 million

 

Mostly because of the off the field stuff and Arsenal NEEDS a striker that can score and create more than any other position. I think 40 is more than enough, but Liverpool have to dig in their heels.

 

That position, and a creative midfielder, and a centerback and it will be a great window.

 

And if we can ship out Gervinho, even better.



I loved Torres before he turned into a Judas lil' rat. Guy could of become an all time legend. But I always thought Villa was the better forward of the two an arguably the best World wide at the time.

But it's subjective and both were terrificly consistent over those few years.

Hail.

Villa was the better forward of hte two.

 

Torres was a better version of Darren Bent. Not the best technically, which is why he doesnt play well for Spain, and doesnt do the donkey work that lone forwards have to do like keep the ball and bring others in, thats a big reason why he sucks at Chelsea.

 

Suarez probably is a better player than Torres was in 2011, but I was one of the people who didnt believe Torres was worth what Chelsea paid at the time either because I saw a guy who was declining.

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Worth=value

 

Cost is a whole 'nother thing. 

 

In this window, with no other premier strikers left, his worth goes up and up. The only buyers of consequence left are us and RM. Next year, there's going to be a whole new transfer kitty. What's the point of having 70M if you don't spend any of it? 

 

Arsenal can bite off their nose to spite their face, but it will accomplish nothing.

 

Signing Suarez is more than bringing in a player. Arsenal are fighting a perception battle with potential transfers in. The "no ambition" label has stuck. You can argue till you're blue in the face, but that's the reality. A player of Suarez caliber, on a CL team, should attract other top players to come. 

 

FWIW, I would've rather signed Higgy to 35M deal a month ago than sign Suarez for 40/55M. It's silly waht the club did.

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Worth=value

 

Cost is a whole 'nother thing. 

 

In this window, with no other premier strikers left, his worth goes up and up. The only buyers of consequence left are us and RM. Next year, there's going to be a whole new transfer kitty. What's the point of having 70M if you don't spend any of it? 

 

Arsenal can bite off their nose to spite their face, but it will accomplish nothing.

 

Signing Suarez is more than bringing in a player. Arsenal are fighting a perception battle with potential transfers in. The "no ambition" label has stuck. You can argue till you're blue in the face, but that's the reality. A player of Suarez caliber, on a CL team, should attract other top players to come. 

 

FWIW, I would've rather signed Higgy to 35M deal a month ago than sign Suarez for 40/55M. It's silly waht the club did.

Real Madrid are not interested in Suarez.

 

and Suarez>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Higuain by a lot. Its not silly, its pursuing a better player.

 

I really dont understand why Arsenal fans were so enamored with Higuain. He good, but not an elite player and not worth what Napoli paid.

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Frankly, you don't know what RM are or are not interested in. 

 

Again, it's a question of value. Are you going to get 55M worth of soccer out of Suarez? It's more likely you'll get your money's worth out of Higuain. 

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Frankly, you don't know what RM are or are not interested in. 

 

Again, it's a question of value. Are you going to get 55M worth of soccer out of Suarez? It's more likely you'll get your money's worth out of Higuain. 

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/5034265/Luis-Suarez-lined-up-by-Arsenal-as-Real-Madrid-pull-out.html

 

The Sun got that from Marca

 

the only mention of Suarez and Real Madrid has been from Suarez himself. Madrid have not said a peep about him and havent made a bid. I dont think they are interested.

 

I dont think anyone is paying 55 million for Suarez. And I dont think Napoli are going to get £32 million worth of play from Higuain. He has never been that good of a player.

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And what's the value of things the football press prints? The same press that had Higuain all but signed, sealed, and delivered to the Emirates, btw.

 

Doesn't really matter what Napoli paid, does it? Because there isn't a £15-25M  player out there right now that could do the same job.

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Just when you thought you'd heard it all .....

' ..... Torres was a better version of Darren Bent .....'

This thread is oft nothing if not entertaining.

Hail.

*Edit* BTW E, great point on Suarez being a groundbreaking signing for Wenger at Areenal were it to happen. That would certainly break the mould and should lead to Arsenal being able to compete for any player. The lure of London combined with Russian mega money is a very attractive prospect indeed.

All on Aresene going for broke though first be it with Suarez or whomever.

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Let the name of Torres be stricken from every book and tablet, stricken from every pylon and obelisk, stricken from every monument of Egypt. Let the name of Torres be unheard and unspoken, erased from the memory of man, for all time.

 

So let it be written, so let it be done.

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Let the name of Torres be stricken from every book and tablet, stricken from every pylon and obelisk, stricken from every monument of Egypt. Let the name of Torres be unheard and unspoken, erased from the memory of man, for all time.

So let it be written, so let it be done.

I am GHH and I approve of this post.

Hail.

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And what's the value of things the football press prints? The same press that had Higuain all but signed, sealed, and delivered to the Emirates, btw.

 

Doesn't really matter what Napoli paid, does it? Because there isn't a £15-25M  player out there right now that could do the same job.

good job changing what you said. stick to one point and then I will address you.

 

Just when you thought you'd heard it all .....

' ..... Torres was a better version of Darren Bent .....'

This thread is oft nothing if not entertaining.

what exactly does he do, as a footballer, differently than Darren Bent?

 

They are similar types of players, Torres is just better at it.

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