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PRESS RELEASE & Ryan O'Halloran tweet - Ravens QB Beck traded to Redskins

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Some of you guys are down on him and he has only practiced a couple of days now. Geesh give the guy a chance. There have been a lot of QB's who have done great after a system change.

I am taking a wait and see. When he gets some preseason snaps, I will start to consider if this was a good aquisition or not.

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RichmondRedskin88

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Yeah, i didn't like our back-ups either (Rex,Colt)

But i view the Beck signing as a positive.

The coaches see something in the kid they like and that's why he's here.

That alone is enough for me, but the kid has all the physical tools yo would need to run this offense; specifically a nice solid throwing motion and above average arm strentgh Colt lacked both of those qualities.

I view Beck as developmental back-up QB.

And eventually see Beck as the back-up maybe not this season but next year?

I don't know I guess my ideal QB line up would be our experienced QB in McNabb and young developing QB as back up. Not necessary like a Favre-Rogers combo like Green Bay had but something similar.

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darrelgreenie

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I don't know I guess my ideal QB line up would be our experienced QB in McNabb and young developing QB as back up. Not necessary like a Favre-Rogers combo like Green Bay had but something similar.

That's kinda what there doing here except he's not young but that doesn't mean that he couldn't be good.

Even if he never becomes a starter if he can upgrade the back-up postion that would be a bonus considering we gave up virtually nothing to get him.

Don't forget this guy has been basically hand picked by Kyle Shanahan and the last QB he hand picked had pretty good success (Matt Schaub).

I'm not saying he's going to be Schaub but Kyle has a good eye for QBs and Beck has the physical tools to do the job.

They bring him in if he sticks good we don't have to look for a back-up QB and we can still draft our 'young QB of the future'.

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Don't forget this guy has been basically hand picked by Kyle Shanahan and the last QB he hand picked had pretty good success (Matt Schaub).
Kyle hand-picked Schaub? What a crock!

Half the teams in the NFL wanted Schaub. The only question was would Atlanta trade him or Vick. GM Rick Smith made the trade in 2007 (that was the same year Kyle was promoted to QB coach).

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Ridiculous arm strength isn't necessary at all to run this offense. First off, McNabb himself doesn't having anything other than a Matt Ryan style arm which is hardly elite. Second, Matt Schaub definitely does not have elite arm strength or even mobility and he's a maestro in this system. This offense is still based on west coast principles with west coast terminology which means. And regardless, in every offensive system, accuracy and timing will always be more important than arm strength in the general equation for success. Peyton Manning would be successful in any system. Drew Brees and Phil rivers have been hugely successful in offensive systems that tax a QBs ability to complete long passes and both have ordinary arms. Sam Bradford just got taken first and his arm strength and release are nothing to write home about.

That said, it certainly doesn't hurt to have a QB that can truly throw a heater and that's why the Matt Stafford's of the world go ahead of the Mark Sanchez's. I'd love for us to go out next year and get a true stud like Andrew Luck, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, or Nick Foles in the next year or two. They're elite arms are nice but they bring so much more to the table too.

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http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/08/dutchs_first_practice.html

Most teams are in trouble if their starting qb goes down. Quarterback wouldn't be so important if any guy from the street could do it.

LOL at Doug Dutch. He wasn't even going to make the roster. And no wonder your team is a MASH unit, Jimmy should cut it back a notch. We're in pads also, but we're not trying to kill each other.

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Ridiculous arm strength isn't necessary at all to run this offense. First off, McNabb himself doesn't having anything other than a Matt Ryan style arm which is hardly elite.
I think you are seriously underrating Donovan's arm strength. Ryan doesn't compare in strength, but his accuracy is much superior.
Second, Matt Schaub definitely does not have elite arm strength or even mobility and he's a maestro in this system.
You're right about Schaub, but he isn't running Shanahan's Denver-style offense in Houston (Yes, I am aware that Kubiak was Shanahan's OC at one time).
This offense is still based on west coast principles with west coast terminology...
The basic goal of Walsh's offense was using the pass, thrown off rhythm, to effect ball control. Shanahan's version uses the QBs mobility to incorporate far more movement passes (roll-outs and such). This is unlike dropping back and "throwing on rhythm" -- and the scheme isn't striving for ball control. It was designed to hit homeruns on the ground and through the air.

One of the principal benefits of movement passes is that they give the QB time to throw deep. So, a strong-armed QB like Elway and Cutler excels in Mike's scheme. Deep throwing is McNabb's strength. Mike will adapt to weaker arms, like Plummer's, but his preference is for strong-armed QBs.

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darrelgreenie

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Kyle hand-picked Schaub? What a crock!

What some would call a mistake you call a crock, but either way thanks for the correction.

Kyle didn't had pick Schaub but his success is partially attributed to Kyle's guidance.

I should have said groomed instead of hand picked.

Ridiculous arm strength isn't necessary at all to run this offense. First off, McNabb himself doesn't having anything other than a Matt Ryan style arm which is hardly elite.

Gotta disagree here bro

Matt certainly has enough arm strength to make all the throws but i think McNabb's arm strength is in a different class then Ryan.

Oh, i think Schaub has a better arm then he gets credit for i would put him in the same group as Ryan.

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Califan007 The Constipated

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Great. He may have a career in the MLB after he washes out of the NFL. :evilg:

The more telling aspect of Beck is his INT's. He throws one INT for every ~36 passes, which isn't something that inspires confidence.

You must not know a whole lot about the average INT-to-attempt ratio.

Some career stats:

Rogers: 1 INT every 54 pass attempts

McNabb: 1 INT every 47 pass attempts

Rivers: 1 INT every 42 pass attempts

Brady: 1 INT every 42 pass attempts

Brees: 1 INT every 38 pass attempts

P. Manning: 1 INT every 36 pass attempts

Romo sits to pee: 1 INT every 34 pass attempts

Palmer: 1 INT every 33 pass attempts

So what, exactly, does "one INT for every ~36 passes" tell you?

He also hangs onto the ball too much, as he's been sacked 69 times and fumbled 7 times in 5 career games.

PLEASE tell me you didn't really think this guy got sacked 69 times in only 5 games lol :ols:...Come on, now. He was sacked 10 times, NOT 69. He was sacked for 69 yards.

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John Beck's arm strength was tested at 61.1

He recorded the 2nd highest velocity of any quarterback at the 2007 combine, whistling the pigskin at 61.1 miles per hour.

http://www.craveonline.com/sports/article/brigham-youngs-john-beck-63171

"The highlight of practice," he mused. "Hmmm. John Beck was rolling to his left and had a hell of a pass to Brandon Banks. He looks like he's getting pretty comfortable in the offense in the short couple days that he's been here. We've been saying that he does have a live arm, but it's a whole 'nother quarterback so we've gotta get used to him throwing the ball too, and work on it from there."
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THEREALTOR1

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Seems to be alot of new members bringing up some of the same old points/counterpoints that have already been discussed, but perhaps before their time on the board. Figured i'd bump a few old Beck threads to provide some old insight to some of the new members.

This is thread from when he was actually traded here from the Ravens I believe.

Hail!

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