PRESS RELEASE & Ryan O'Halloran tweet - Ravens QB Beck traded to Redskins

[Atlanta Skins Fan]

Very interesting trade. John Beck has serious upside.

True, he hasn't shown it in limited NFL appearances. Those were as a rookie for the 1-15 Dolphins, who finished #30 in the NFL for team QB rating (69.6). This was the same offense that became Trent Green's Little Bighorn. It's hard to show much when participating in the losing end of a massacre.

John Beck has the distinction of being one of the few recent QBs to pass my college QB model for projecting NFL franchise QBs. That model is hardly infallible*, but it did project similar success for Matt Schaub.

Without knowing any inside information, I'd say that Kyle Shanahan likes some of the same things in Beck as he liked in Schaub. Having developed Schaub into a leading NFL franchise QB, he probably sees at least a small similar opportunity in Beck.

In short, John Beck is Kyle Shanahan's consolation prize for not getting Sam Bradford, who also aced the ASF profile (by record margins). Kyle Shanahan probably came to the Redskins with Bradford in mind, and got McNabb instead. McNabb may do well, but by age cannot be a longterm partner with Kyle Shanahan. If Kyle Shanahan is thinking of being a future Redskins head coach, as he must be, these are the thoughts he must have. McNabb is Mike Shanahan's QB ... Dad's QB. Who will be the QB for future head coach Kyle Shanahan ... he must wonder.

I am absolutely not projecting Beck to be the future franchise QB of the Redskins. All I'm saying is that his college profile is similar to Matt Schaub, and this must be the appeal to Kyle Shanahan. He's the only QB on the roster with that kind of potential, for Kyle. And that's a pretty reasonable consolation prize after missing on Sam Bradford, and determining that Colt Brennan was not going to cut it.

So yes, the smart money says that the Redskins draft a QB high in an upcoming draft. But, the really smart money says that before that happens, Kyle Shanahan wants nine months to see what he's got in John Beck. Or, at least six weeks.

*See: Leinart, Matt; Brennan, Colt; Quinn, Brady.

[Spartacus87]

You don't need a gun for an arm in running the WCO. Accuracy and consistency are much more important factors in determining success.

As the OC, Kyle Shanahan, should have the right to tell Allen and his father what kind of quarterbacks he thinks he can develop.

Shanahan's (mostly Mike, but also somewhat Kyle) WCO isn't a typical WCO. It features a lot more downfield passing than the typical Holmgren-style WCO.

I think Kyle will have a lot of input, but I think a lot of that input will also be run through Mike and they'll collaborate their concerns/ideas on things like what QBs to keep and develop or draft. Kyle's the OC but Mike's the HC and is no offensive slouch himself.

[HailToTheRedskins14]

Just gotta say, the fact that this went so under the rader just continues my confidence in the front office. McNabb trade came out of nowhere. We don't have Vinny running his mouth. Imagine what we would have given up for a former second round QB with Vinny in charge. Those ideas about Carlos Rogers would probably sound good to Cerrato.

A small move, but I can't remember many small moves like this with our old front office. Seems they only worried about the big splash and just let the rest of the roster be. I didn't even know a guy named Doug Dutch was on the roster (cool name btw), and this move is probably nothing in the grand scheme of things, but it just feels damn nice having a professionally run organization once again!

[darrelgreenie]

Great. He may have a career in the MLB after he washes out of the NFL. :evilg:

The more telling aspect of Beck is his INT's. He throws one INT for every ~36 passes, which isn't something that inspires confidence. He also hangs onto the ball too much, as he's been sacked 69 times and fumbled 7 times in 5 career games. Also hasn't thrown a pass in 2 years...

Yeah I really hope Bartel wins a roster spot over this guy.

Wow some of you dudes in this forum are strange.

How can you be so negative towards a guy you don't even know?

You make all these arguments against him for what reason?

He hasn't thrown a pass in 2 years?

That's not uncommon for a 3rd string QB/2nd string QB that's not uncommon amoung back-up/3rd stringers; unless the starter gets injured or sits out.

When your 3rd/2nd string you don't play.

That's not a legitimate knock against the kid.

And i like how you've already labeled him as a guy that holds the ball too long, lol like you've been watching this kid play his whole career or something.

You probably manufactored the idea that he holds the ball too long from your sack numbers which, lol, are funny.

Yes your sack stat is very wrong, actually ridiculuously and laughably wrong he's been sacked 69 times? Really in 5 games?

Lol, try 10 times.

Your basing this man career potential off a few starts.

'A more telling aspect' about his stats are that they were compiled when he was rookie playing on a terrible team.

If Bartel wins the job so be it may the best man win.

But to assume that Bartel is better then Beck or that Beck will wash out based on just looking at some stats is silly.

Give the Shanahan's a litte credit for knowing a little something about QBs okay?

Oh, BTW the fact that Beck has a hand canon was the main thing i was pointing out from the article.

Being that he is now a Redskin QB i figured people might want to now this interesting factual tidbit about Beck physical skillset.

That without doubt Beck has one of the stronger arms in the league.

HTTR

[Hiro]

Sorry I can't help myself, but here is an early preview of the bust....;

Pineapple ... are you sure you're not referring to Colt Brennan of Hawaii, rather than Colt McCoy of Texas?

[darrelgreenie]

Shanahan's (mostly Mike, but also somewhat Kyle) WCO isn't a typical WCO. It features a lot more downfield passing than the typical Holmgren-style WCO.

I gotta agree with you on this both Shanahan's offenses aren't typical WCOs.

Theirs are more of the 5 and 7 step variety that have some of the same style throws seen in a Norv Turner style offense.

And Mike's most recent QB also had exceptional arm strength.

I think having a big arm is definetly a welcome bonus for their system.

Very interesting trade. John Beck has serious upside.

True, he hasn't shown it in limited NFL appearances. Those were as a rookie for the 1-15 Dolphins, who finished #30 in the NFL for team QB rating (69.6). This was the same offense that became Trent Green's Little Bighorn. It's hard to show much when participating in the losing end of a massacre..

I agree with you that Beck has upside and i'll stop there b/c i diagree with your speculations about what the Shanahan et al thought about Bradford etc.

[KDawg]

Colt is a member of the Washington Redskins, and he may possess the talent to take our favorite team somewhere in a positive direction one day, yet so many fans around here trash the guy.

Personally, I'm not a Colt fan; I'm a Washington Redskins fan and he is currently a member of that team.

Well, when you posted this Colt was already cut... So wrong on both fronts

But I do agree with the overall message.

[DWinzit]

That's why I think Kelly and some other former Cerrato picks could be close to done here.

Will the Cerrato name ever stop sending a chill down my spine? :puke:

[GetWrecked]

I agree with you that Beck has upside and i'll stop there b/c i diagree with your speculations about what the Shanahan et al thought about Bradford etc.

Beck has upside? Guy turns 29 in in August. I know he's been in the league since '07, but he's never shown anything in the passed. You know what they say, you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

[darrelgreenie]

Beck has upside? Guy turns 29 in in August. I know he's been in the league since '07, but he's never shown anything in the passed. You know what they say, you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

In that he has the requiste skill set to become a solid player and play at a higher level then currently playing.

Afterall he was at one point a 2nd round draft, so clearly he has talent.

That could simply mean that he's might be good enough to at least be the back-up QB in Washington maybe next year maybe sooner.

And what's even better we got him for a DB that probably wasn't gonna make to the team.

So yeah i agree with ASF Beck has upside.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/quarterbacks/colt-brennan-says-skins-wanted.html#more

Brennan said. "..... It was basically that they always had a real strong interest in John Beck. [Offensive coordinator] Kyle [shanahan] said he had looked into getting John early on and they couldn't get him.

[Late Night Roach]

Yucketty yuck! Not impressed with Beck at all.

I sure hope Shanarat knows what he's doing, actually going out of his way to get a reject player from the worst-year-ever 1-15 Miami Dolphins roster.

Latest Phins 2nd round QB Pat White is soon to be out their door too, according to some gossip.

Things could really get ugly here if McNabb...You know....

[Conn]

Yucketty yuck! Not impressed with Beck at all.

I sure hope Shanarat knows what he's doing, actually going out of his way to get a reject player from the worst-year-ever 1-15 Miami Dolphins roster.

Who cares? We traded Doug Dutch to get him.

Doug Dutch.

Doug.

Dutch.

Real risky move there.

[JustAfan47]

Who cares? We traded Doug Dutch to get him.

Doug Dutch.

Doug.

Dutch.

Real risky move there.

Who is Doug Dutch?..:pfft:

[Conn]

Who is Doug Dutch?..:pfft:

Exactamente, mi amigo!

[Mercuryrising]

John Beck has the distinction of being one of the few recent QBs to pass my college QB model for projecting NFL franchise QBs. That model is hardly infallible*, but it did project similar success for Matt Schaub.

*See: Leinart, Matt; Brennan, Colt; Quinn, Brady.

ASF, I am glad you added the *.

I did not always agree with your QB projection model, but your posts on the matter were always very interesting, informed and articulated very well. They reminded me of the type of theory creation that brought about "Moneyball".

Your posts on the subject being so interesting in nature, I remembered quite well the CB15 was highly projected by you, so good job not just omitting that part of it.

[Dukes and Skins]

Who cares? We traded Doug Dutch to get him.

Doug Dutch.

Doug.

Dutch.

Real risky move there.

Exactly we traded a no name for another guy who has some upside to him, Pretty pleased with the trade hopefully Beck has something we haven't seen yet

[Late Night Roach]

"Beck completed 60-of-107 passes for 559 yards, one touchdown and three interceptions."

Don't see much of an upside there.

Is this Zorn's revenge courtesy of Cam Cameron?

[darklight1216]

Exactly we traded a no name for another guy who has some upside to him, Pretty pleased with the trade hopefully Beck has something we haven't seen yet

You traded a no-name guy who probably wasn't going to make the team for a no-name guy who probably wasn't going to make his team.

"Beck completed 60-of-107 passes for 559 yards, one touchdown and three interceptions."

Don't see much of an upside there.

Is this Zorn's revenge courtesy of Cam Cameron?

Lol :hysterical:

[ArmchairRedskin]

Nvmd, may have read the post wrong. Not sure.

[darrelgreenie]

"Beck completed 60-of-107 passes for 559 yards, one touchdown and three interceptions."

Don't see much of an upside there.

Beck had been on the Redskins’ radar for some time.

“Everybody had him evaluated high coming out of college,” “We evaluated [beck’s four starts with Miami], and he did play like a rookie, but he definitely didn’t show anything that said he couldn’t play in the NFL.”

“I just liked him back in college. The system he ran is very similar to the system we run, and I liked the way he threw the football and handled himself, and now I get a chance to see him first hand.”

See http://www.csnwashington.com/08/03/10/Redskins-Notes-Whirlwind-For-Beck/landing.html?blockID=282751&feedID=272 for the rest of the article and video interview with Beck.

[RichmondRedskin88]

Ok so we have one established QB in McNabb who is 33. One sort of established in Grossman who is 29. Richard Bartel which has been on practice squads all the time but I guess he might develop since he is 26. Now we have John Beck who hasn't done much or really shown too much and he's almost 29.

We seem to have a issue. We have one QB we believe we can be successful with and he's 33. Should he get hurt we're screwed. I don't believe any other of three could run this offense but hey I guess we'll see. I'm not sure we gained much from releasing Colt and getting John Beck. All we got was a QB who is 2 years older and was a third string QB most of his career(much like Colt). Oh and played on a 1-15 team. I'm not saying I'm upset by Colt being cut but I would hope we brought something in that is worth cutting him for.

[Atlass]

You don't need a gun for an arm in running the WCO. Accuracy and consistency are much more important factors in determining success.

As the OC, Kyle Shanahan, should have the right to tell Allen and his father what kind of quarterbacks he thinks he can develop.

That's not true. This isn't a West Coast offense, this is Mike Shanhan's offense. After Elway left Shanny used Griese and Plummer and had success with them, but he had to take a lot of plays out of the playbook because they couldn't make the throws that Elway could. After Denver lost the AFC Championship game to Pittsburgh in 2005 Shanny realized he need a QB that could make all the throws. He wanted to be able to open up the full playbook again, that is when he decided to draft Cutler, that is why he went after McNabb and that is why he traded for Beck.

He can teach any QB to be great, but he can't teach them to throw a 25 yard out on a rope. Beck is just part of the plan. I don't know anything about the guy besides he was drafted in the 2nd round and he has a strong arm. Sounds like a great trade for the Skins!!!:dallasuck:eaglesuck

[darklight1216]

In his first practice with the Ravens, cornerback Doug Dutch noticed a difference in the level in intensity from the Washington Redskins.

“Practice here is a lot more hard,” said Dutch, who was traded to the Ravens for quarterback John Beck on Monday. “It’s a lot bigger and tougher grind.”

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/08/dutchs_first_practice.html

Ok so we have one established QB in McNabb who is 33. One sort of established in Grossman who is 29. Richard Bartel which has been on practice squads all the time but I guess he might develop since he is 26. Now we have John Beck who hasn't done much or really shown too much and he's almost 29.

We seem to have a issue. We have one QB we believe we can be successful with and he's 33. Should he get hurt we're screwed. I don't believe any other of three could run this offense but hey I guess we'll see. I'm not sure we gained much from releasing Colt and getting John Beck. All we got was a QB who is 2 years older and was a third string QB most of his career(much like Colt). Oh and played on a 1-15 team. I'm not saying I'm upset by Colt being cut but I would hope we brought something in that is worth cutting him for.

Most teams are in trouble if their starting qb goes down. Quarterback wouldn't be so important if any guy from the street could do it.

[Peeping Wizard]

Dont like this if we have to give up a draft pick, Beck sucks.

What do you base that on?

If I had to bet on Beck or Brennan having a future as an NFL QB my money would be on Beck for sure.

[darrelgreenie]

We seem to have a issue. We have one QB we believe we can be successful with and he's 33. Should he get hurt we're screwed. I don't believe any other of three could run this offense but hey I guess we'll see. I'm not sure we gained much from releasing Colt and getting John Beck. All we got was a QB who is 2 years older and was a third string QB most of his career(much like Colt). Oh and played on a 1-15 team. I'm not saying I'm upset by Colt being cut but I would hope we brought something in that is worth cutting him for.

Yeah, i didn't like our back-ups either (Rex,Colt)

But i view the Beck signing as a positive.

The coaches see something in the kid they like and that's why he's here.

That alone is enough for me, but the kid has all the physical tools yo would need to run this offense; specifically a nice solid throwing motion and above average arm strentgh Colt lacked both of those qualities.

I view Beck as developmental back-up QB.

And eventually see Beck as the back-up maybe not this season but next year?

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/blog/2010/08/dutchs_first_practice.html

Most teams are in trouble if their starting qb goes down. Quarterback wouldn't be so important if any guy from the street could do it.

You guys are in pretty good shape at QB though.