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TheLongshot

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I know it's your thing to take the opposing stance as often as possible, but seriously - no one (except maybe his family) can say with a straight face that Chad Rinehart has done anything at any point in his NFL career to warrant consideration as a starter.

Course, considering his NFL career has been 4 games, it is hard for any fan to get a full handle on his abilities. :silly:

All I was saying was that I saw improvement over those 4 games. I wasn't making any claims about if he should be a starter right now. Really, until we go into training camp and see what we have, we don't know who can play and who can't.

His most memorable moment since joining the Redskins is being arrested for being drunk and trying to break into a food joint. On the field, he's been completely forgettable.

If an offensive lineman is doing something that's memorable, he's probably doing something wrong.

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If an offensive lineman is doing something that's memorable, he's probably doing something wrong.

Or he's earning a reputation among his peers and making annual trips to the Pro Bowl. Ask Chris Samuels.

The point is, I've talked to players in that locker room who openly admitted that they lost faith in two things last year - Jim Zorn and the offensive line.

I'm not the only one who is perfectly happy never seeing Chad Rinehart, Stephon Heyer and/or Will Montgomery ever start a game for the Redskins again.

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According to John Keim, Vinny knew Samuels had serious back problems (stenosis) before last season... and still didn't look for a solid backup.

The fact is Vinny never sniffed another NFL job interview the first time Marty kicked him to the curb. Now his rep is even worse. I hope he saved his money.

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Or he's earning a reputation among his peers and making annual trips to the Pro Bowl. Ask Chris Samuels.

Actually, we don't have to think twice about him because he was so good. I think some on this board took him for granted. That is, until he wasn't there anymore.

The point is, I've talked to players in that locker room who openly admitted that they lost faith in two things last year - Jim Zorn and the offensive line.

I'm not the only one who is perfectly happy never seeing Chad Rinehart, Stephon Heyer and/or Will Montgomery ever start a game for the Redskins again.

The problem last year was mostly not being able to keep a consistent lineup. When you are moving Heyer from the right to the left to the right and have a revolving door at RG mostly due to injuries, you aren't going to build any cohesion. To me, the health of the OL is probably more important than the talent, because OL play is about working as a cohesive unit. While the right side in 2007 wasn't exactly the most talented group out there, they played well because they played a good amount of games together and were able to work as a unit.

According to John Keim, Vinny knew Samuels had serious back problems (stenosis) before last season... and still didn't look for a solid backup.

Um, he probably knew it a lot longer than that. Like, when he was drafted. Samuels has known about his stenosis since high school. It is not something that would get by an NFL physical. It didn't stop him from being a great player for 10 years.

What kinda surprises me is that the media didn't seem to know that. Either they knew when he was drafted and it was forgotten in the sands of time, or a lot of people were very good at keeping quiet about it.

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According to John Keim, Vinny knew Samuels had serious back problems (stenosis) before last season... and still didn't look for a solid backup.

The fact is Vinny never sniffed another NFL job interview the first time Marty kicked him to the curb. Now his rep is even worse. I hope he saved his money.

If he's flying coach it doesn't look that way...

At least he can fall back on his acting.

On a side note, can we get a Go Skins! Vinny Sucks! smiley?

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Quite frankly I've been trying to put the last decade in the dark crevis in my mind where I had to let it fester and grow when I had to endure seeing the NFC East teams make actual intelligent moves while owning us year in and year out. Watching football with my Steeler buddy trying to talk trash when our teams played and him having to go easy on me because he felt sorry for me because we both knew we were trash and his team was the great shiny beacon for how to run a football organization.

Why? I don't know, but I just had to open this thread and I had rehash the offseason like VC was actually still making decisions.

Thanks Murph and excuse me while I take my aggression out on someone who doesn't deserve it..

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To me, the health of the OL is probably more important than the talent, because OL play is about working as a cohesive unit.

This is the fundamental flaw that Vinny believed, and you apparently do too.

O-line is not where you skimp on talent. Next to the QB, it is the most important position on the entire field.

It's how QBs like Rex Grossman and Trent Dilfer make Superbowls. You cannot underestimate the importance of the o-line. It's more important than RBs. More important than WRs or TEs. It is more important than anything. Mediocre talent does not cut it. That isn't acceptable.

With one, you keep your QB out of the hospital. And you give him time to open up the passing game.

Without one, you suck. This is precisely why Vinny was so awful.

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My problem with the article is the "declaration" things are better when nothing has been done to back up the declaration.

Things have changed, but who knows if it was for the better.

As with the hire of Schotty, Spurrier, Gibbs, Zorn, etc lets see some proof for once??????

Schotty, Spurrier, and Gibbs certainly came with fanfare.

And I agree with a previous poster, Vinny was rarely the decision maker in most of these regimes.

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My problem with the article is the "declaration" things are better when nothing has been done to back up the declaration.

Things have changed, but who knows if it was for the better.

The three most important positions within a football franchise are: general manager, head coach and quarterback.

In related news, Bruce Allen, Mike Shanahan and Donovan McNabb are each an upgrade over Vinny Cerrato, Jim Zorn and Jason Campbell. So yes, we do know that things are better. How much better is left to be determined.

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And I agree with a previous poster, Vinny was rarely the decision maker in most of these regimes.
Even with Schotty kicking Vinny out, it seems Cerrato still had some influence. Link While the "owner's box" comment was right before he was fired, considering Danny hired Vinny back as soon as he fired Marty....

Vinny was picking players for Spurrier, period. Including bringing in the ex-Gators Spurrier wanted. And replacing Stephen Davis with Trung Canidate was grounds for dismissing Vinny permanently.

Was Vinny just twiddling his thumbs during Gibbs 2? His title was VP of football operations. Sure there were times when Danny, then Joe, were making final decisions. But who was feeding them information, scouting reports, handling the actual contract details? How well could Danny and Joe make decisions with the walking disaster we know as "Vinny" in the Front Office?

And we all know how well Vinny handled things when he was officially given the reins in 2008-2009. From Jason Taylor to practically standing pat on an old O-line (compare Vinny's moves to Shanahallen's) to the Albert Haynesworth contract.

Thank God that Vinny's gone.

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LD0506

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that is one scary article...

There's an understatement. What's next murf, "What if the Black Plague never went away?" or "How would you feel about mandatory viewings of Betty White porn?"

Even seeing the thread title is like an icepick through the eye.

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Larry Brown #43

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After the circus of last year, I agree. But up till then, no. Two of the guys we interviewed in 2008 later did become head coaches. One other bowed out because he was promised the HC job on his current team.

And we have no idea—only speculation—as to whether either of those guys would have taken our job if offered. In fact, we don’t even know for sure that they weren’t offered the job. The Redskins claimed that they and Spags mutually agreed that he wasn’t ready to be a head coach, which Spags said was a load of crap. All we know is that he and Schwartz were interviewed. Just because they interviewed with us doesn’t mean they wanted the job necessarily.

Regardless, even in the unlikely event that we HAD been able to hire a quality coach, his ceiling for success would have been pretty limited under the previous structure.

The fact is Vinny never sniffed another NFL job interview the first time Marty kicked him to the curb. Now his rep is even worse. I hope he saved his money.

Really, this is all that needs to be said. At the end of the day, all the arguing over the o-line and other specific moves is just noise. The fact that no NFL team is interested in his services says it all.

I don't hate Vinnie as a person--I've never met the guy. Maybe he's a good dude. But regardless of what any of us here thinks about his tenure with the Skins, it's quite clear that the rest of the league views him as incompetent.

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If Vinny never left, we would have signed someone to the biggest contract ever, this offseason. All of this per Dan's directive, of course. They were one in the same.

They were like two girls in school giggling and oggling over the new boy in school, thinking about free agents every offseason.

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I think there was a thread in here with an article showing that the Washington Redskins have drafted the fewest offensive linemen in the last 10 years than any other team in the NFL. If anyone can find that it might show no matter if it was Vinny or anyone else, offensive line was an afterthought with this organiozation, which is ironic, because that was the staple of us winning our 3 SBs.

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