Dez Bryant, Cowboys agree to terms. First 1st rounder signed

[DefenderoftheStar]

So, it's not intelligent to hype up an unproven player, but it's ok to write off a player as a bust if they don't light it up as a rookie (e.g. Anthony Spencer)?

It's funny to hear someone who routinely makes wild and silly predictions criticize others for basically doing the same thing.

im sure he was whooping it up when teh Skins drafted Orakpo and probably had a post saying he was the best the player in the draft and the Skins were gods for getting him.

how does that post say to the rest of the Skin fans if they are hyping up their rookie?

[SWFLSkins]

Whether that proves to be true or not doesn't really matter. What does is that they've got it and an extra preseason game to get ready and evaluate the young guys.

Um, well Yeah, I'm going go head and say no to the extra pre-season game helping out. The Cowboys have five this year? If that is the case I am going to go head and say, not good for them.

Yeah I checked with the HOF game there are five. I don't view that as an advantage for them, good for the Redskins.

[skinfan2k]

seriously learn how to multi-quote...

[RDawson]

Demaryius Thomas came from a run first system at GT but caught everything that was near him . ...

Except for in crunch situations like the UGA game and Sugar Bowl.

[RDawson]

If Bryant were taken in the mid teens I could buy into that. But I have a hard time believing that so many teams would pass on a player they had rated that high. For instance, I know that the Giants at #15 took the guy they had rated BPA, which is why they picked another DE despite significant holes elsewhere. And even the Cowboys, who traded up for Bryant, disregarded any character concerns, and had a need at WR, didn't have him rated in their top 10.

He was taken 24th, Moss was taken 18th. Not that big of a difference, and it's almost the exact same situation, it was the character concerns that dropped him, not his production on the field.

I'm not saying that all the teams had him rated in the top 10 on their draft board (which takes into account everything, not just talent), but most scouts, draft gurus and every expert had him rated as a top 10 talent and the top WR.

[RDawson]

Really? Do you have a link for that or perhaps some facts to back up that claim?

I'm sure you can use google just as well as anyone. He got scared that he might have done something to hurt his team and he lied about visiting Deion. The NCAA decided to throw the book at him. But I'm sure you think he's worse than Ndamakong Suh who got drunk and crashed his Range Rover into a car.

In any draft, you rarely get a starter past the sixth pick...and rookie starters usually mean a critical need at a position.

Really? Hmm. I wonder how the Cowboys get by with only having two starters that were drafted in the top 6. I wonder how many top 6 picks the Patriots, Steelers, Colts, or Saints have in their starting lineups.

[Enter Apotheosis]

First of all, you're wrong...and secondly, why is this even a consideration of a post?

:doh:

Wrong about what? Your love of posting 10 times in a row in the same thread?

If Bryant were taken in the mid teens I could buy into that. But I have a hard time believing that so many teams would pass on a player they had rated that high. For instance, I know that the Giants at #15 took the guy they had rated BPA, which is why they picked another DE despite significant holes elsewhere. And even the Cowboys, who traded up for Bryant, disregarded any character concerns, and had a need at WR, didn't have him rated in their top 10.

That's fine and all but it's still not the be-all, end-all in the discussion. The Cowboys likely had Bryant rated at 11th or 12th based on their leaked big board, so it's kind of hard to understand why you're raising a big fuss about fans calling him a top 10 prospect when that assessment is extremely close to what Jerry Jones himself thought of Dez.

[skinfan2k]

Really? Hmm. I wonder how the Cowboys get by with only having two starters that were drafted in the top 6. I wonder how many top 6 picks the Patriots, Steelers, Colts, or Saints have in their starting lineups.

In fact, I can argue that more probowl players come from the back end of the 1st round than the beginning!

[tr1]

im sure he was whooping it up when teh Skins drafted Orakpo and probably had a post saying he was the best the player in the draft and the Skins were gods for getting him.

how does that post say to the rest of the Skin fans if they are hyping up their rookie?

Here we go again...DOS, please, find me one post where I hyped Orakpo...where I said, "he's the best player in the draft."

I'll wait.

And, when you don't find that post, please come back here like a dog with it's tail between its legs and apologize for making **** up.

You're good a fiction.

[tr1]

In fact, I can argue that more probowl players come from the back end of the 1st round than the beginning!

And, I can argue more probowlers come from AFTER the 1st round...

I love these threads...it brings out the best in sock puppetry.

[tr1]

I'm sure you can use google just as well as anyone. He got scared that he might have done something to hurt his team and he lied about visiting Deion. The NCAA decided to throw the book at him. But I'm sure you think he's worse than Ndamakong Suh who got drunk and crashed his Range Rover into a car.

No links...no facts...just conjecture.

Pure puke fan.

Welcome.

:rotflmao:

[tr1]

like the Skins fan that bet me a steak dinner that the Cowboys would not score a TD AND...not or AND they would not get one single sack vs the skins in the first game....hahaha based on the fact that ya'll drafted Trent Williams and he is Chirs Samuels and will improve the entire O-Line......i love free steak dinners!!!!

You know, we all try to speak English here in the ATN...do you care to take a deep breath and give us something that makes sense in the real world?

We'll wait.

[DefenderoftheStar]

Here we go again...DOS, please, find me one post where I hyped Orakpo...where I said, "he's the best player in the draft."

I'll wait.

And, when you don't find that post, please come back here like a dog with it's tail between its legs and apologize for making **** up.

You're good a fiction.

so what did you say when the team drafted him "well im not expecting much from this rookie"?

[Conn]

so what did you say when the team drafted him "well im not expecting much from this rookie"?

Probably what many of us did...that most rookie pass-rushers don't make a huge impact their rookie years, but that we were lucky that he fell to us. You know, optimistic but tempered expectations. Not something you know about.

[tr1]

so what did you say when the team drafted him "well im not expecting much from this rookie"?

So, basically, you're saying you have no idea what I said (if I said anything) about the kid, eh?

Please stop making stuff up...and attributing things to me that I haven't said.

It's difficult enough to keep folks in a discussion about what I have said, versus what some puke fan THINKS I've said.

I'll continue to wait for your apology.

[skinfan2k]

And, I can argue more probowlers come from AFTER the 1st round...

I love these threads...it brings out the best in sock puppetry.

lol, wow you are refuting your own point! thanks for playing!

[DefenderoftheStar]

So, basically, you're saying you have no idea what I said (if I said anything) about the kid, eh?

Please stop making stuff up...and attributing things to me that I haven't said.

It's difficult enough to keep folks in a discussion about what I have said, versus what some puke fan THINKS I've said.

I'll continue to wait for your apology.

So im making stuff up, yet im supposed to take your word that you are NOT backtracking on something? Really? Ill wait for you to figure it out and come to your senses, that and basically civilization ending.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

You know, we all try to speak English here in the ATN...do you care to take a deep breath and give us something that makes sense in the real world?

We'll wait.

yes...

A friend of mine, a Redskins fan, bet me a steak diner that the Cowboys would not sack Done-a-von Mcnabb AND they would not score a TD against them in week 1......

Ya get that?

[brianm23]

except Bryant's character issues were over blown.

Were they? I don't think so, and neither do many of the 23 other NFL teams picking. Obviously their concerns were warranted, especially after this whole "i'm not taking pads" ordeal. It might seem trivial to you or me, but the bottom line is the attitude being displayed here. It's the "ME" attitude, it's the one that got him in trouble in the NCAA and the same reason 23 other teams passed on him.

Add that to the fact he was raised in a bad environment, and you have a explosive situation on your hands. You wonder why that GM questioned him about his mother being a prostitute? I would have too.

[doncherry]

Add that to the fact he was raised in a bad environment, and you have a explosive situation on your hands. You wonder why that GM questioned him about his mother being a prostitute? I would have too.

this is an extremely revealing post...I've read a lot of arguments that went back and forth on the debate about this, but this passage was one of the least intelligent "contributions" I've seen on this site. Keep up the mediocre work!!

[RDawson]

Were they? I don't think so, and neither do many of the 23 other NFL teams picking. Obviously their concerns were warranted,

Do you know what actually happened that got Dez suspended? Look into it, he got railroaded big time. And as for the 23 other teams argument, the same could be said for any player that slid down the draft board, teams do make mistakes sometimes.

It's the "ME" attitude, it's the one that got him in trouble in the NCAA and the same reason 23 other teams passed on him.

I know, right? This article pretty much sums up his "ME" attitude.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/23/dez-bryant-doesnt-care-about-starting/

Just kidding, it doesn't.

[brianm23]

this is an extremely revealing post...I've read a lot of arguments that went back and forth on the debate about this, but this passage was one of the least intelligent "contributions" I've seen on this site. Keep up the mediocre work!!

How so? You don't think a kid being brought up in a horrible environment doesn't follow him (or could potentially) into his adult life? The fact you dismiss it is not intelligent on your part. We are talking about guys you'll be handing over millions and millions of dollars to. Guys you'll be making the face of your franchise to.

You seriously don't think a person's past shouldn't be taken into account? Who here is betting the Titans would love to have a redo of the draft where they wasted millions and a high pick on a guy with a shady background? (PacMan)

Read about the life of Johnny Jolly, about how he grew up in a terrible neighborhood. Now look at him. Still in that same hood, doing the things he watched growing up as a kid. Is it guaranteed the player is going to end up bad? No. Is it a huge ass red flag waving? **** yes.

[brianm23]

Do you know what actually happened that got Dez suspended? Look into it, he got railroaded big time. And as for the 23 other teams argument, the same could be said for any player that slid down the draft board, teams do make mistakes sometimes.

Just kidding, it doesn't.

Yes, I know he got suspended for lying to NCAA investigators. Tells me he's dishonest, not truthful. Obviously the NFL teams had good reason to pass on him the way they did on Moss when he was drafted.

He got railroaded? You ****ting me? How so? You mean somebody forced him to lie to a investigator? LOLOLOL Yeah guys, Dez Bryant is being framed by the white man!!! He just doesn't want to see a black man succeed. /facepalm

Guess he'll be framed for 9/11 next right?

Do tell me what other person slide down the draft board that didn't have character issues? In fact, one of the biggest ones happened to be Jimmy Clausen. Teams are taking character issues very seriously these days. It wasn't a "mistake" they passed on these guys, it's just they chose NOT to draft a person that had red flags.

[RDawson]

Yes, I know he got suspended for lying to NCAA investigators. Tells me he's dishonest, not truthful. Obviously the NFL teams had good reason to pass on him the way they did on Moss when he was drafted.

That's a pretty tough criteria if you're only going to draft players that have never ever lied before. Fact of the matter is Deion reached out to him, he went to go hang out with him, the NCAA asked him about it and being 20 years old and being afraid you might have done something against the rules, he lied.

But of course I'm sure he is the only 20 year old ever to tell a lie to an authority figure.

He got railroaded? You ****ting me? How so? You mean somebody forced him to lie to a investigator? LOLOLOL Yeah guys, Dez Bryant is being framed by the white man!!! He just doesn't want to see a black man succeed. /facepalm

Guess he'll be framed for 9/11 next right?

You know, some words can mean many different things. FYI, take the word "railroaded" for example. That word has many definitions. Let's take a look at a few.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/railroaded

Funny, none of them fit your definition, but fit the context in which I was referring to him being railroaded, i.e. "convicted with undue haste". The dictionary never uses "railroaded" as a synonym for "framed".

So no, I'm not ****ting you, he was railroaded

Do tell me what other person slide down the draft board that didn't have character issues? In fact, one of the biggest ones happened to be Jimmy Clausen. Teams are taking character issues very seriously these days. It wasn't a "mistake" they passed on these guys, it's just they chose NOT to draft a person that had red flags.

You referenced Moss earlier, tell all the teams that passed on him that it wasn't a mistake to pass over him due to his character concerns (which were much worse than Dez's)

[tr1]

So im making stuff up, yet im supposed to take your word that you are NOT backtracking on something? Really? Ill wait for you to figure it out and come to your senses, that and basically civilization ending.

Oh, dear lordie.

You're caught with your pants down, telling us that I said something that you knew I didn't say, and this is what you come back with?

Man, do I long for the time many years ago when we had some intelligent, interesting puke fans who visited the ATN.

Oh, well...