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I'd be willing to bet you could get 10 people off the streets of Philly/Oakland.


Rolling Closures A Possibility For Fire Department

New cuts may be coming to the Philadelphia Fire Departmentmag-glass_10x10.gif and they could include rolling closures of firehouses.

What if you stopped by your local firehouse and found the firefighters who would normally be first to answer your call weren't there at all that day?

It could happen.

The city announced as many as four units each day may be taken out of service in neighborhoods city wide in hopes of saving more than $3.5 million in overtime to ease the city's budget crunch.

"He's (Mayor Michael Nutter) rolling the dice and he's playing Russian roulette with people's lives," said Bill Gault, President of Local 22, the firefighters' union.


Oakland lays off 80 police officers, citing budget concerns

The city of Oakland, California, has laid off 80 police officers, citing budget concerns.

Negotiations between the city and the officers' union collapsed Tuesday over the issue of job security. According to the city's website, Oakland's final offer to the Oakland Police Officers Association guaranteed one year of no layoffs, with union members paying an escalating percentage of their city pension, topping out at 9 percent in January 2013.

The city said the union originally offered to pay the 9 percent, but only in exchange for a three-year, "no layoff" guarantee.

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I'm pretty sure you could grab 10 homeless people off the streets and cut something obviously not needed (say the city council) before this.

Here we go: Took a few minutes of work: Philli: Walking around money (WAMS)

At least one category of state spending survived the budget cutters of the Pennsylvania Legislature: "walking around money" or WAMs.

Jul 15, 2010 08:59 EST

An analysis by the Associated Press found that, since 2008, rank-and-file lawmakers &tstr; Republicans and Democrats &tstr; have requested more than $200 million in WAMs, taxpayer money that goes toward pet projects in their home districts.

That amounts to $830,000 in taxpayer dollars for each of the state's 253 legislative districts, according to the AP.

Read more: http://articles.lancasteronline.com/local/4/266351#ixzz0tqTmZnni

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To add to the list of stupid: The one line: The blood is on your hands.. seems about right. Last thing cut should be police/fireman/teachers.. you just pay extra for those for years to come.

Edit: In less than 5 minutes i found a 15million dollar fund that you can't trace to anything real.. but could have funded the cops for 10 years?



EAST ST. LOUIS • The Rev. Joseph Tracy said he’s tired of going to funerals. And now, he suspects he’ll be going to more of them.

"It’s open field day now," said Tracy, the pastor of Straightway Baptist Church here. "The criminals are going to run wild."

Gang activity. Drug dealing. Cold-blooded killing. Tracy worries that a decision to shrink the police force by almost 30 percent will bring more of everything.

The pastor voiced his concern on Friday at a raucous special City Council meeting at which East St. Louis Mayor Alvin Parks announced that the city will layoff 37 employees, including 19 of its 62 police officers, 11 firefighters, four public works employees, and three administrators. The layoffs take effect on Sunday.

Parks said the weak economy has robbed the city of badly need money. For example, revenue from the Casino Queen was $900,000 below budget expectations last year. There are no signs of improvement, Parks said.

"I want our citizens to know we have some of the bravest police officers and firefighters in the country," Parks said. "But we don’t have the money to pay them. We have to have fiscal responsibility."

City officials wanted police and fire unions to accept a furlough program that would have required employees to take two unpaid days in each twice monthly pay period. If accepted, emergency responders would have seen a pay cut of about 20 percent for the rest of the year.

Parks said the two sides couldn’t reach an agreement. On Friday, he stared at a standing-room only crowd and told his emergency response chiefs words they didn’t want to hear: "Tell your workers to start packing their things."

The news spurred shouts from the crowd.

"The blood is on your hands," yelled Michael Hubbard, an East St. Louis police officer.

Hubbard said he will be the lone patrolman for East St. Louis’ midnight shift when the cuts go into effect.

"This is devastating," Hubbard told a reporter after the meeting.

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The priorities are screwed, but I have no problem with layoffs other than that.

I guess I should add.

It is a local funding issue that should be addressed there,and the insane federal spending/hiring should not even be a factor in the issues the cities face.

It ain't gonna get better at the state level with the expansion of entitlement programs that will add to the states burdens.....idiots

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The Police and Firemen have cut some ridiculous deals over the years. Most in my area make well over 100K a year when you add up all of the benefits. What works for them in prosperous years works against them in lean years.

Where do you get this:?

From the website:


We offer a starting salary of $46,972 (effective 7/6/08) for Police Officer Candidates.

Lateral Salary Range (based on prior police or military police experience). Year 1-$48,617, Year 2- $50,319, Year 3- $52,081, Year 4- $53,904, Year 5- $55,791.

Dispatcher was 41k 2010...

Yes: We all know the war on drugs is a bust, but until the Legislature makes changes? The cops are still needed.

They can ignore the misdemeanor possession but still have to go after the larget issues.

Cops are only lame until you need them.. then your ready to sue 911 when they don't have them there in 8minutes.

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Why do they get paid overtime? Why not just salary them and overtime comes out of their own time like it does for most companies?

My salary is based on 40hr workdays but I avg. 50. I don't get paid for that extra time.

That is usually enough savings right there.

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Why do they get paid overtime? Why not just salary them and overtime comes out of their own time like it does for most companies?

My salary is based on 40hr workdays but I avg. 50. I don't get paid for that extra time.

That is usually enough savings right there.

Maybe because that's against Federal Labor Law?

Unless your position is classified as exempt (like a manager is, or a computer programmer is...etc), overtime work gets overtime pay.

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If there is no money in the budget then there is only 2 options: cutbacks or dare I say raise taxes. It is about time that Americans learned that they pay some of the lowest tax levels of any industrialized country, but you all expect top notch service. You get what you pay for.

I think this is a result of the flawed two party system of government in the USA. When you only have 2 parties, one party does not even need to take a stance on any issue, they can get by opposing whatever the other party is in favor of. When your elections come around, who do you end up voting for-the party that says they will raise taxes or the party that says they will cut/freeze taxes? Calling for a raise in taxes is such a political nuclear bomb, that I don't even hear candidates even mentioning tax raises to combat debt problems, since they know the other party will start a "no new tax" campaign, and kill any chance the raise tax party has of winning.

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