Redskins Diehard Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/22/AR2010062200813.html?hpid=topnews KABUL -- The top U.S. general in Afghanistan was summoned to Washington for a White House meeting after apologizing Tuesday for flippant and dismissive remarks about top Obama administration officials involved in Afghanistan policy. --------------------------------------- I was really in favor of McChrystal getting that assignment and supported Pres Obama in his bold move to replace the commanding general early. I will not be surprised if McChrystal does not survive this article. It will be tough to find someone better for the position though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/22/AR2010062200813.html?hpid=topnewsKABUL -- The top U.S. general in Afghanistan was summoned to Washington for a White House meeting after apologizing Tuesday for flippant and dismissive remarks about top Obama administration officials involved in Afghanistan policy. --------------------------------------- I was really in favor of McChrystal getting that assignment and supported Pres Obama in his bold move to replace the commanding general early. I will not be surprised if McChrystal does not survive this article. It will be tough to find someone better for the position though. I dont care what he thinks, I dont care if he's makingg great points and exposing a serious issue. He needs to get fired, get busted rank etc etc etc. His job is to do what the CIC tells him to do to the best of his ability and not to question it. Further, he needs to sell that plan to HIS subordinates. Write your book when you retire, but until then, shut your trap and do as youre told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins Diehard Posted June 22, 2010 Author Share Posted June 22, 2010 I dont care what he thinks, I dont care if he's makingg great points and exposing a serious issue.He needs to get fired, get busted rank etc etc etc. His job is to do what the CIC tells him to do to the best of his ability and not to question it. Further, he needs to sell that plan to HIS subordinates. Write your book when you retire, but until then, shut your trap and do as youre told. He won't get busted in rank. He will likely retire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 12th Commandment Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 I appreciate the sentiment Kilmer, I really do. A look at the comments on Fox had him up, not surprisingly, for the medal of honor. It's the same old story, I know, but it's sad for me to see so many people just being partisan over it. Shameful behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCranon21 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 I bet he'll tender his resignation after the meeting Obama. No way he'll survive the article. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nonniey Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Yes he should be fired, but the sad thing is he basically confirmed what those critizing the President, during the Afghan debate last year, were saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Sad to see a guy who put in so many years of his life for something he believes in, to stumble like this. I kind of hope they ask him not to resign. Very sick of this culture where taking out a person who's to blame is more important than fixing the issue at hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redskins Diehard Posted June 22, 2010 Author Share Posted June 22, 2010 Yes he should be fired, but the sad thing is he basically confirmed what those critizing the President, during the Afghan debate last year, were saying. His criticism should have never been heard by us. His points should not be ignored either in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Paint Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Man, it just seems like everything is a real mess, from the economy, to the wars, to the oil volcano in the gulf....Seems like those at the top are starting to get real frustrated. This has to be a huge blow to the morale of our troops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinfan133 Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Sad to see a guy who put in so many years of his life for something he believes in, to stumble like this.I kind of hope they ask him not to resign. Very sick of this culture where taking out a person who's to blame is more important than fixing the issue at hand. That's not how the military works, this is an incredibly serious issue. The chain of command has to be respected here, and clearly he doesn't respect it. General or not he must be held accountable. Obama needs to fire him and Adm. Mullen and Gates will decide if there's any use left for him in the Army. this makes me rather angry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 The chain of command has to be respected here, and clearly he doesn't respect it. Unit, Corps, God, Country, sir! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 I agree with Kilmer 100%. If he had complants or ideas for fixing flaws in strategy, he should speak to his CiC about it in private. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heisenberg Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 I dont care what he thinks, I dont care if he's makingg great points and exposing a serious issue.He needs to get fired, get busted rank etc etc etc. His job is to do what the CIC tells him to do to the best of his ability and not to question it. Further, he needs to sell that plan to HIS subordinates. Write your book when you retire, but until then, shut your trap and do as youre told. That's not how the military works, this is an incredibly serious issue. The chain of command has to be respected here, and clearly he doesn't respect it. General or not he must be held accountable. Obama needs to fire him and Adm. Mullen and Gates will decide if there's any use left for him in the Army. this makes me rather angry. Two posters who I disagree with often but this shows why I'm always interested in what they have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 I dont care what he thinks, I dont care if he's makingg great points and exposing a serious issue.He needs to get fired, get busted rank etc etc etc. His job is to do what the CIC tells him to do to the best of his ability and not to question it. Further, he needs to sell that plan to HIS subordinates. Write your book when you retire, but until then, shut your trap and do as youre told. Exactly. I may not know much about the military, but I know that you do as you're told by your CO, and that includes generals. Whether we like it or not, Obama is the Commander-In-Chief and he must be treated with respect, especially by the men who serve under him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboDaMan Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Yes he should be fired, but the sad thing is he basically confirmed what those critizing the President, during the Afghan debate last year, were saying.Well, no, he confirmed nothing, what he did was voice his opinion.I don't believe he should blindly follow orders, he needs to voice his opinions - PRIVATELY - to the President and his advisors. Once that's done, then he needs to shut up and follow orders or resign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deejaydana Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Didn't MacArthur get relieved of his duties by Truman (for letting his head get too big)? I've heard about that story but never read into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Paint Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 McChrystal said he voted for Obama, so he made his own bed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 If you completely disagree with your Commander in Chief = Resign in protest. If you completely disagree with your CIC on CNN = Resign in shame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebluefood Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 McChrystal said he voted for Obama, so he made his own bed. And now it appears he **** all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterMP Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 It isn't like they even said anything intelligent in terms of criticism. It is a bunch of stupid stuff with the mentality of your general tv jock. For such stupidity and immaturity alone, they should be fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABQCOWBOY Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 McCrystal is done. It's to bad too. He will be replaced with a yes man and this War is going to get ugly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 I know Kilmer and others are correct (and Fox and FoxNews/moron-fans are going to do the same brain-donor dances they always do), but I personally like intelligent dissent even at the top. But I defer to the valid points ya'all make on the matter and well know the military chain of command needs to be different for proper functioning. There are appropriate ways you express dissent in that realm. And I remember how Johnson and Nixon took plenty of heat about politicized/strategic choices and their own "field competency" during Vietnam. But while getting crucified in public venues, they didn't suffer their top military staff fragging the CIC or his cronies in the media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switchgear Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 McCrystal is done. It's to bad too. He will be replaced with a yes man and this War is going to get ugly. Going to get? It already is, at least by our current standards. In case anyone hasn't seen it, here's a link to the Rolling Stone article. It has a fair amount of swearing in it, so it may be NSFW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumbo Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Deejay, per some accounts, the firing of Mac in '51 had to due with grave concerns over nuclear policy and increasing Korean tensions leading up to that war. I'm sure there was a lot of stuff between them and way more than one factor involved, but their arguments over nuclear polciy and attitudes towards the Asian theater (and the Asian role in the world) during a crucial time was said to be key (as I remember). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMS Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 He won't get busted in rank. He will likely retire. I disagree. This is a wood shed moment.. not a career ending moment. Not unless they are otherwise unhappy with McChystal's performance and we are unware of that. This isn't even all that uncommon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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