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RCP: MSNBC Trashes Obama's Address: Compared To Carter, "I Don't Sense Executive Command"


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I agree with them about the speech itself. It was a bunch of vague, feel-good platitudes. Especially the moon thing. I can't believe how many times over the past year I've heard, "We can put a man on the moon, but we can't [bLANK]?" Not just from Obama. From everyone. I swear, it's like we collectively forgot about the Apollo missions for 40 years, then all of a sudden we all remembered and immediately needed to reference them as many times as possible before the topic was completely beaten to death.

On the other hand, I also know that presidents have been talking about making us less dependent on foreign oil for about two decades now. The problem is that Congress needs to buy into a plan, and it seems like there will never be enough votes. Every suggestion is extremely unpopular.

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I agree with them about the speech itself. It was a bunch of vague, feel-good platitudes. Especially the moon thing. I can't believe how many times over the past year I've heard, "We can put a man on the moon, but we can't [bLANK]?" Not just from Obama. From everyone. .

It is my opinion that we never should have landed a man on the moon. It's a mistake. Now everything is compared to that one accomplishment. Now every body goes “I can't believe they could land a man on the moon . . . and taste my coffee!” I think we all would have been a lot happier if we hadn't landed a man on the moon. Then we'd go, They can't make a prescription bottle top that's easy to open? I'm not surprised they couldn't land a man on the moon. Things make perfect sense to me now. Neil Armstrong should have said, "That's one small step for man, one giant leap for every whining, complaining, SOB on the face of the earth." -Jerry Seinfeld

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I hope Obama let's go, and stop trying to be politically correct. I don;t know what people want him to say in a speech. I know he is toutingthe line between the provate and public sector, but enough is enough. Keep it real Obama. If I was Gibbs I would tell him to tell the people the absolute truth. This Gary Carter thing is getting out of hand.

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If Obama can't get MSNBC to swoon over his speaches anymore...he's done.

Well, to be fair, ever since the election, MSNBC has been getting more and more steamed at the sad reality: Obama actually isn't the socialist that they wanted. He's way too moderate.

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Have to admit that I was hoping that we'd elected JFK 2.

I didn't expect to like every thing he did. But I expected him to lead.

I think he's been attacked for so many things, that he's trying to make sure that his enemies don't have anything to attack him with.

Whereas I think that what America needs (and, maybe, wants) is somebody to lead.

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Well, to be fair, ever since the election, MSNBC has been getting more and more steamed at the sad reality: Obama actually isn't the socialist that they wanted. He's way too moderate.

Reality bites eh?

The idealists don't have the responsibilities which tend to complicate absolutes.

I figure within a yr he will be apologizing to W.;)

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I felt the speech as a whole was a platform for H.R. 2454 and not much else.

I like the idea of BP paying those who have been affected and are out of work, but I don't trust that even a "3rd party" will properly disperse the money.

Why has Obama not temporarily suspended the Jones Act?

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How exactly does one measure "executive command?" Thus far, Obama has helped push an awful lot of his proposed bills through Congress. Maybe his vision is wrong, but he seems to be doing a pretty good job of crossing things off his "things to do" list.

That's why I don't think it's fair to accuse Obama of being both a radical socialist who is leading this country down the wrong path and a guy who lacks leadership skills. If he isn't leading, then he's not doing nearly as much harm as some of his critics think.

IMO, he's neither a radical, nor a great leader.

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How exactly does one measure "executive command?" Thus far, Obama has helped push an awful lot of his proposed bills through Congress. Maybe his vision is wrong, but he seems to be doing a pretty good job of crossing things off his "things to do" list.

That's why I don't think it's fair to accuse Obama of being both a radical socialist who is leading this country down the wrong path and a guy who lacks leadership skills. If he isn't leading, then he's not doing nearly as much harm as some of his critics think.

IMO, he's neither a radical, nor a great leader.

This post sort of contradicts your first post of Bush in that classroom. I think that given the circumstance, almost certainly what Bush is doing is allowing the people around him who know what to do in that situation to do their jobs. As you say about Obama, I'm not sure what folks wanted him to do when he heard the news, and you know that while he sits there, there's a whole hell of a lot of activity going on behind the scenes.

Sort of like I'm not sure how much people expect Obama to actually do himself to stop the oil gusher. Like he's supposed to swim down there with his handkerchief and stop the leak or something.

~Bang

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Sort of like I'm not sure how much people expect Obama to actually do himself to stop the oil gusher. Like he's supposed to swim down there with his handkerchief and stop the leak or something.

~Bang

I wish I had photoshop and knew how to use it. Ever since the blame Obama stuff has been going on I've had this image of Obama swimming down there in an iron man suit and welding it shut in my head. :ols:

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This post sort of contradicts your first post of Bush in that classroom. I think that given the circumstance, almost certainly what Bush is doing is allowing the people around him who know what to do in that situation to do their jobs. As you say about Obama, I'm not sure what folks wanted him to do when he heard the news, and you know that while he sits there, there's a whole hell of a lot of activity going on behind the scenes.

Sort of like I'm not sure how much people expect Obama to actually do himself to stop the oil gusher. Like he's supposed to swim down there with his handkerchief and stop the leak or something.

~Bang

Very Intersting Bang. Two months ago I was part of a group that Andrew Card gave a brief too (The Chief of Staff for Bush- guy whispering in Bush's ear). He told us the pause was exactly what you described. There was nothing other than intefere with the logistics of setting up the Presidents move back to Air Force One Bush would have accomplished if he had jumped up immediately and left.

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This post sort of contradicts your first post of Bush in that classroom. I think that given the circumstance, almost certainly what Bush is doing is allowing the people around him who know what to do in that situation to do their jobs. As you say about Obama, I'm not sure what folks wanted him to do when he heard the news, and you know that while he sits there, there's a whole hell of a lot of activity going on behind the scenes.

Sort of like I'm not sure how much people expect Obama to actually do himself to stop the oil gusher. Like he's supposed to swim down there with his handkerchief and stop the leak or something.

~Bang

I wanted him to accept all the help from the other Countries/States/Actors.

I wanted a ring around the that rig about 1000yds out and another a mile out (nothing gets past here) No different than securing Florida during Andrew or New Orleans for Katrina.

I wanted the army corp of engr put to work instantly.. its what they do.

I wanted the actors limited use skimmers put to limited use.

I wanted the 1/2 - 3/4s troops from Iraq brought back immediately

National Guard Activated.

I wanted the Crisis Reaction Cell in the Pentagon that i worked in 18 years ago to have the Army Corp of Engr > Governors > Fema all working together to beat this before it got out of control. (its what they do)

I posted all of this a month ago?

Where is the Chief of Fema? What the Hell! This is about as lax as i've ever seen.

Now to hindsight:

Not only would the 500,000 troops/citizens deployed from Florida to Louisiana help the economy that is missing tourists. they'd be fixing the problem before it all reached land.

How can you drop a giant cement cap on something with a hole in the top of it and say its got ice crystals in it. And not think to drop another one with no hole in the top and just cover the hole with a 100 ton cement cap. Then go back in to fix it when you have the gear and submersibles at hand.

I think i posted all this 18 days ago. http://www.extremeskins.com/showpost.php?p=7556375&postcount=770

My take:

That speech needed to ignore the past and litigation.

That speech needed to spell out every step coming week by week.

with tonnage of equipment, personnel and technology state by state.

Starting at ground zero and working out based on the density of the spill.

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I didn't even listen to the speech. What could he say? If he had a solution the problem would be solved. I don't need to hear that they're working hard or that they are going to keep the pressure up on BP and themselves and never rest.

I hate speeches that are designed because you need to "show leadership" or look "Presidential" Rah Rah doesn't solve problems... not this kind of problem anyway.

And yeah, Obama's instinct to build concensus and defer to experts is a weakness in a number of situations possibly including this one. Although, I think the biggest problem with this one is that they simply don't have a solution and don't know what to do and the damn thing should have never been builtin the first place under those circumstances. If you can't cope with the worst case scenario... a predictable worst case scenario, then you have no business drilling there in the first place.

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I didn't even listen to the speech. What could he say? If he had a solution the problem would be solved. I don't need to hear that they're working hard or that they are going to keep the pressure up on BP and themselves and never rest.

I hate speeches that are designed because you need to "show leadership" or look "Presidential" Rah Rah doesn't solve problems... not this kind of problem anyway.

Interesting...seems that's how he won his spot in office. ;)

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Actually, he presented some good ideas and platforms. And there is a strength in concensus building and listening to "experts" I just think he needs to take the reins a little more often and lead.

Besides, you expect nothing out of a campaign other than mud onslaughts or feel good moments :)

I didn't think that a Bush speech would undo Katrina. During the hurricane's aftermath, I was disappointed with how slowly and incompetently the rescue effort began and developed. The big difference with the Gulf disaster is that it is ongoing and a part of me that believes that they have done everything they can do and that everyone is trying really hard... they just have no bullets in the gun.

The mistake was digging the well in the first place. The mistake was entrusting a company would do everything as safely as they could and not skim safety for profit's sake.

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Actually, he presented some good ideas and platforms. And there is a strength in concensus building and listening to "experts" I just think he needs to take the reins a little more often and lead.

Besides, you expect nothing out of a campaign other than mud onslaughts or feel good moments :)

I didn't think that a Bush speech would undo Katrina. During the hurricane's aftermath, I was disappointed with how slowly and incompetently the rescue effort began and developed. The big difference with the Gulf disaster is that it is ongoing and a part of me that believes that they have done everything they can do and that everyone is trying really hard... they just have no bullets in the gun.

The mistake was digging the well in the first place. The mistake was entrusting a company would do everything as safely as they could and not skim safety for profit's sake.

Hurricane Andrew was attacked by the staging areas and good leadership.

Hurricane Katrina was stalled due to bickering of Mayor/Gov/Fema and having Fema absorbed in Homeland Sec. 7 additional layers to get it done.

Gulf Oil Spill is following Katrina, not Andrew.

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