Dallas Morning News: FBI says Mexican forces pointed guns at investigators of border shooting

[Redskins Diehard]

I don't know or understand this situation very well at all. None of us do. The story says that both sides drew their guns and that there are several accounts of what happened that night that are very different.

If the Mexicans thought that our border patrol guys were rogue officers trying to get back the evidence of a crime they had committed, I would understand why they pulled their guns.

Point is - we don't know. None of us know exactly what happened. I'm glad it turned out ok (except for the dead kid). That's all.

In our world you don't draw a weapon to protect evidence or a crime scene. If we had our guns out while collecting evidence then they certainly had a right to draw theirs also.

[Predicto]

It is very, very important to remember that those Mexican officers wage war everyday. If you are a Mexican police officer, looking out across the border, and you see men with guns, your first instinct will be "Cartels!" It will not be "Americans!"

Ssshh.

The USA was deliberately insulted. Our honor was besmirched. No other possibility exists.

Whose side are you on, anyway?

[Vilandil Tasardur]

Ssshh.

The USA was deliberately insulted. Our honor was besmirched. No other possibility exists.

Whose side are you on, anyway?

The solution is to replace army camo fatigues with a red, white, and blue American flag jump suit. No misunderstandings ever.

[stevenaa]

The solution is to replace army camo fatigues with a red, white, and blue American flag jump suit. No misunderstandings ever.

Until the bad guys put the same jump suits on before sun down.

[RabidFan]

obviously, they don't need no stinkin' badges.

[Thiebear]

Its my understanding there is a video of the entire incident.

and it is supposed to show a setup.

New cellphone video of shooting

The US Border Patrol said the incident Monday occurred amidst the mayhem and aggression of rock-throwing by a group of young people trying to enter illegally into the US. But a video obtained by CNN and first aired by Univision Wednesday night, taken with a cell phone video camera, raises questions about what actually occurred. It shows a Border Patrol officer, responding to claims that illegal immigrants were being smuggled into the US, by approaching two suspects on the US side of the border. One is apprehended and dragged a short distance. Then the video shows what appears to be a firearm being aimed at the second suspect on the Mexican side of the border, who had presumably returned and then runs away. Then gunshots are heard on the tape.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/10/border-patrol-shooting-vi_n_608181.html

heres the video..

I don't know that he need to have shot, but they did say they got him.

So feeling alone with one with him he shot...

ehhh

nope, still don't know.

[Box76]

Ssshh.

The USA was deliberately insulted. Our honor was besmirched. No other possibility exists.

Whose side are you on, anyway?

I think you should be asked the same question. Mexico has insulted, disrespected and point blank spit in the face of the US and its laws for far to long now. Time to stop defending this bleak 3rd world country and flex some military might down there and get a real grip on the problem. These types of problems will continue to exist as long as we have pandering vote hungry gov't officials on the US side and corrupt mexican officials encouraging illegal activity on the other. Of course, the US citizens are the ones to pay the price for this **** but the woe as me liberals could care less as long as every world citizen is treated fairly, except US citizens, of course.

[Vilandil Tasardur]

I think you should be asked the same question. Mexico has insulted, disrespected and point blank spit in the face of the US and its laws for far to long now. Time to stop defending this bleak 3rd world country and flex some military might down there and get a real grip on the problem. These types of problems will continue to exist as long as we have pandering vote hungry gov't officials on the US side and corrupt mexican officials encouraging illegal activity on the other. Of course, the US citizens are the ones to pay the price for this **** but the woe as me liberals could care less as long as every world citizen is treated fairly, except US citizens, of course.

It sounds to me like you're making the mistake of classifying all of "Mexico" into one group.

I hate illegals, they are breaking the law. I hate cartels, they are terrorists. But I don't hate the country of Mexico for either of these two "exports" that it provides. If the government had the ability to end the drug war and fix its economy so that people didn't want to leave it, they would. The Mexican government doesn't want to wage war against narco trafficers nor do they want their work force fleeing en mass.

[Teller]

Not at all. A young boy is dead. It is a tragedy.

What I think is funny is the idea that someone could get outraged at the idea that law enforcement (on either side of the border) might pull its guns out in a tense situation like this. You seem to think that we are the only side allowed to have law enforcement with guns.

Plus then you threw in speculation about racial epithets by the other guys, and advocate preemptively shooting anyone who crosses, and then your blood pressure rises to a boil and oh the humanity!!!!

That's what's funny.

If you don't want to be defended the way the Mexican people apparently are, then I can respect that. But I don't think the fact that their immigration policy is hypocritical can be argued.

Further, if the Mexican officers presented the threat of deadly force by aiming at our officers, who were conducting an investigation, I believe deadly force in return would be 100% appropriate. You may disagree, and again, I respect that.

I just don't think the argument can be made that Mexico handles the border situation as well as we do. They do nothing to prevent the flow north, but they're all over the flow south.

Further, when our officer discharged his firearm, he was appropriately placed on an administrative leave during what I fully expect will be a thorough and fair investigation. Again, advantage us.

As far as what was said, I don't know. I did speculate. But in the grand scheme it doesn't matter. Our officer was attacked with potential deadly force, while trying to effect a legal arrest. You'll forgive me in advance, I'm sure, for not taking the "let me try to see their side" position.

My point about handling border crossings the way the Mexicans do was sarcasm, and it was used to point out the idiocy of their position. Judging by your reaction to my comments, I can only assume you agree.

[MurrayH81]

hey, lets hope those mexican LEO's start something our military can finish. Than we can build a new border significantly southward, so those ugly fences can be shorter but still complete.

I've about had it Mexico, their governments policies, and their walk-over illegal immigrants.

The only reason their economy and culture are still afloat is due to their proximity to the US, and the ability of their workflorce to walk over and send US dollars home.

I think most of my prior stances posted on this board and expressed in letters to my elected represenation have been fair-minded, Christian and reasonable. Impeding our ability to investigate and all this protesting and mouthing off about our laws is really making me change my mind.

Perhaps its time for the US Military to remind Mexico why we kicked their asses before, and this time, not bother to pay a dime for the territory we acquire.

[Thiebear]

Saw this morning:

The boy has been arrested 6 times now for human smuggling across the border?

and was on the most wanted list of border patrol.

add to the video.. mix it up with your stance on the border

and then completely discard.

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

Well after viewing both videos... I think the officer has every right to fire his service weapon to protect himself. If those idiots are throwing rocks at an officer do you not think he's going to retaliate?

Just build a big ass wall that they can't get over and all of this border crossing crap will be history.

I have no compassion for the illegals anymore so I'm just going to leave it at that.

[kramdizzle]

I heard he was already caught six time sneaking people into the country. F him, i am not losing any sleep over a criminal who showed no respect for americas laws shot dead. are you? ....... yeah didnt think so

edit: if the patrol officer was being threatened he had every right to shoot him dead. if he wasn't, then that mexican citizen just got boondock sainted

[Dan T.]

I think you should be asked the same question. Mexico has insulted, disrespected and point blank spit in the face of the US and its laws for far to long now. Time to stop defending this bleak 3rd world country and flex some military might down there and get a real grip on the problem. These types of problems will continue to exist as long as we have pandering vote hungry gov't officials on the US side and corrupt mexican officials encouraging illegal activity on the other. Of course, the US citizens are the ones to pay the price for this **** but the woe as me liberals could care less as long as every world citizen is treated fairly, except US citizens, of course.

hey, lets hope those mexican LEO's start something our military can finish. Than we can build a new border significantly southward, so those ugly fences can be shorter but still complete.

I've about had it Mexico, their governments policies, and their walk-over illegal immigrants.

The only reason their economy and culture are still afloat is due to their proximity to the US, and the ability of their workflorce to walk over and send US dollars home.

I think most of my prior stances posted on this board and expressed in letters to my elected represenation have been fair-minded, Christian and reasonable. Impeding our ability to investigate and all this protesting and mouthing off about our laws is really making me change my mind.

Perhaps its time for the US Military to remind Mexico why we kicked their asses before, and this time, not bother to pay a dime for the territory we acquire.

So Box and Murray say we should start a war with Mexico over this. What an interesting opinion, to say the least.

[The 12th Commandment]

So do you stupidly believe that we should adopt MEXICO's immigration policy? :evilg:

Hint: It's tougher than Arizona's.

Doesn't much matter what's written down on paper there, Mexico's border policy can be summed in one symbol $

[The 12th Commandment]

You know most American's who go to Mexico stay within a certain distance of the border. They go down there to shop, eat and go to the dentist. Mexico has a border zone where their normal immigration policies don't apply in order to make things easier for the majority of American's going down there. Wouldn't it be curious for us to do likewise. Set up a policy that allows the majority of Mexican's who are coming over to do so legally so they can do what they're coming over for, which is work their tail off? The angry white guy version of Mexico's immigration policy that HH (sorry when you're a legend you get picked on:) and others choose to treat as the gospel is not telling you the whole story. IMagine?

[Popeman38]

You know most American's who go to Mexico stay within a certain distance of the border. They go down there to shop, eat and go to the dentist. Mexico has a border zone where their normal immigration policies don't apply in order to make things easier for the majority of American's going down there. Wouldn't it be curious for us to do likewise. Set up a policy that allows the majority of Mexican's who are coming over to do so legally so they can do what they're coming over for, which is work their tail off? The angry white guy version of Mexico's immigration policy that HH (sorry when you're a legend you get picked on:) and others choose to treat as the gospel is not telling you the whole story. IMagine?

This theory sounds good. However, the majority of illegal immigrants do not stay within 10 miles of the border. Hell, the majority don't stay within 10 hours of the border. And there is plenty of foot traffic that comes into America each day to work and goes back at night to sleep. It is the other 90% that poses the problem.

[The 12th Commandment]

They're also not coming to shop or go to the dentist. You missed my point which is that the Mexican's have designed their immigration/border policy with the needs of those coming across in mind (helps that we spend money) and we have not.

[Popeman38]

They're also not coming to shop or go to the dentist. You missed my point which is that the Mexican's have designed their immigration/border policy with the needs of those coming across in mind (helps that we spend money) and we have not.

In order for that to work, we need the US and Mexico to be on equal economic footing. We go there because it is cheap. They come here because they can make 10x better money here and send half back to their families who can then live a better life. If an American went to Mexico to work and send back half their money to support their family in America, the family is worse off than if they had stayed in America and worked. Your equation only works if everything is more or less equal in Mexico and the US (kinda like the US and Canadian border).

[Box76]

So Box and Murray say we should start a war with Mexico over this. What an interesting opinion, to say the least.

I consider aiding and abetting millions of illegals to cross into our country by the Mexican gov't a form of takeover, thus should be considered an act of war. Its scary to think of how many radical extremists have posed as illegals to gain safe entry into our country only to find cozy sanctuary cities to set up shop in complete with food and housing. We allow then fund our own peril. Gotta love liberalism.

[Zguy28]

And as far as Mexican authorities saying they won't do anything to prevent Mexican "migration," well, I happen to agree with them. You want to migrate here via legal channels, I'll welcome you with open arms. But they're not "Mexican migrants," they are ILLEGAL ALIENS. And those people deserve to be stopped....forcibly if necessary. (And we won't even kill them, unlike our dear friends to the south.)

When I was in Mexico just a few years ago, it was near impossible for Mexicans to get a visa to travel to the USA for legitimate business. They had to resort to bribery (that's if they had the money).

[The 12th Commandment]

In order for that to work, we need the US and Mexico to be on equal economic footing. We go there because it is cheap. They come here because they can make 10x better money here and send half back to their families who can then live a better life. If an American went to Mexico to work and send back half their money to support their family in America, the family is worse off than if they had stayed in America and worked. Your equation only works if everything is more or less equal in Mexico and the US (kinda like the US and Canadian border).

We go there for economic reasons that benefit us and them, they come here for economic reasons that benefit....us and them. Different capacities sure, but they're both partnerships and and we have not allowed to come legally because then we get to pay them less that way. It's naive to think otherwise.

[The 12th Commandment]

I consider aiding and abetting millions of illegals to cross into our country by the Mexican gov't a form of takeover, thus should be considered an act of war. Its scary to think of how many radical extremists have posed as illegals to gain safe entry into our country only to find cozy sanctuary cities to set up shop in complete with food and housing. We allow then fund our own peril. Gotta love liberalism.

We have aided and abetted to a degree that puts the Mexican governments involvement to shame. The thought that it's a one way ****ing of us by them is ludicrous. We get more money out of the deal than they do by a HUGE margin. THis vilification of poor people wanting to work and doing so with more enthusiasm and for less wages than our own citizens is really, really weak. If we didn't need them they wouldn't be here and if we were honest about it we would allow them to come legally and pay them accordingly. We are not some victim in this it's wrong to the point of will full ignorance to think so.

[NavyDave]

Behaving like Mexico in regards to their response to illegal aliens crossing their borders would mean in several instances, raping women in some cases killing the males as well as robbing and assaulting them.

Some of you behave like this is the first time the Mexican Army has confronted the Border Patrol.

There is still video on Dailymotion and youtube of armed members of the Mexican Army providing escort over the border for drug traffickers during the Minuteman period.

[The 12th Commandment]

I believe there are some youtube videos showing our troops engaged in some unseemly behavior over 'there', let alone abu graib. Do they represent the entire us military to you dave?