WE:Obamacare taking on water

[nonniey]

"As they followed one another off the political cliff in voting for the health-care overhaul, Democratic senators and representatives comforted themselves with their own self-created myth that, although ObamaCare was horribly unpopular as a bill, it would prove to be quite fetching as a law. Furthermore, this transformation, this change they could believe in, would take place sooner rather than later — as voters would reward rather than punish them for passing ObamaCare in clear and open defiance of popular will.

In the two months since, President Obama has pulled out all the stops, aggressively trying to sell the overhaul while also rolling out ostensibly popular provisions ahead of schedule. These provisions include a federal mandate that insurers cover all “children” up to the age of 26 on their mom’s and dad’s policies, with costs being borne through somewhat higher premiums for all families; and a tax credit for small businesses, but only — or at least mostly — for very small businesses (those with nine or fewer workers) with very low-paid full-time employees (those averaging less than $25,000 in annual income).

Since passage, reports have revealed that ObamaCare would cost over $1 trillion by any standard, according to the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), not “merely” $940 billion as previously reported (while its total costs in its real first decade, 2014 to 2023, would continue to be well over $2 trillion); that ObamaCare has prompted major corporations to discuss dropping their employer-provided health-care plans; that businesses would have to file 1099s not only for every person to whom they pay $600 in wages but for every vendor with whom they do $600 in business, thereby imposing a paperwork nightmare and incentivizing companies to avoid doing business with a myriad of small firms rather than a handful of big ones; that ObamaCare would create 159 new federal agencies, offices, or programs; that the Obama administration’s Medicare Chief Actuary says ObamaCare would raise U.S. health costs by $311 billion in relation to current law and would shift about 14 million people off of employer-provided insurance — and some of them onto Medicaid; that ObamaCare’s would discourage employment, as — for example — hiring a 25th worker would cost a business $5,600 in addition to wages and benefits; that ObamaCare would impose a severe marriage penalty, offering additional subsidies as high as $10,425 a year if couples merely avoid marriage; that a lone provision in ObamaCare, which would penalize employers if their employees spend more than 9.5 percent of their household income on insurance premiums, would cut the net income of businesses like White Castle by more than half; that even though ObamaCare was supposed to get people out of emergency rooms and into doctors’ offices, those who build emergency rooms say the effect will be just the opposite and that they are gearing up for increased business; that doctors shortages are looming and would be accentuated by ObamaCare, both because more people would seek care (otherwise, what would the $2 trillion be buying?) and because fewer people would likely enter a demanding profession that would now promise greater restrictions and lower pay; and that President Obama’s nominee to head Medicare and Medicaid under ObamaCare is an open advocate of the British National Health Services’ NICE (National Institute of Clinical Excellence) and its methods of rationing care.

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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/obamacare-taking-on-water-95104599.html

[polywog999]

Another completely unslanted right-wing blog. Hurray!

[DCSaints_fan]

Im not sure I care to read an article that dubs the health care bill "ObamaCare"

[polywog999]

I would not have a problem with a legitimate dislike for health care, but when you regurgitate the company line because 'thats what your supposed to say,' I have a BIG problem with it. I think the jury is still out as to whether It's a bad Idea.

The right is very mad that they did not get it done when they wanted it, so they 'unlike' it.

Edit: This is where someone calls me a communist or a socialist. I still don't know how you can be both.

[DCSaints_fan]

I would not have a problem with a legitimate dislike for health care, but when you regurgitate the company line because 'thats what your supposed to say,' I have a BIG problem with it. I think the jury is still out as to whether It's a bad Idea.

The right is very mad that they did not get it done when they wanted it, so they 'unlike' it.

The Republicans probably could have very easily made the proposed changes (tax credit, allowing companies to compete across state lines ) when they were in power 2000-2006, with little Democratic opposition. But health care reform has never been a big part of their agenda (except for Medicare Part D I suppose), and it won't be if they get back in power again.

[Drockvb]

Our current system = FAIL. Why don't you write about that.

[polywog999]

The Republicans probably could have very easily made the proposed changes (tax credit, allowing companies to compete across state lines ) when they were in power 2000-2006, with little Democratic opposition. But health care reform has never been a big part of their agenda (except for Medicare Part D I suppose), and it won't be if they get back in power again.

Nixon tried for healthcare reform.

http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stories/2009/September/03/nixon-proposal.aspx

[JimboDaMan]

Not worth a click. Anything that starts off with "Obamacare" is obviously a fair and balanced review of the situation, correct?

[Burgold]

"As they followed one another off the political cliff in voting for the health-care overhaul, Democratic senators and representatives comforted themselves with their own self-created myth that, although ObamaCare was horribly unpopular as a bill, it would prove to be quite fetching as a law.

You guys really don't get it.

This may be one of the most impressively unapologetic and hyperbiased sentences of all time! Look how carefully every clause is written, the poetry of the insult, the rigor of the pomposity.

One five line sentence (My editors would never let me get away with a five line sentence) that encompasses so much. It is a marvel.

[robotfire]

The fact of the matter is it's a giant mess. Is it the mess this guy says it is? Probably not. But it's going to increase the cost and decrease the quality for a lot of people.

[Burgold]

The fact of the matter is it's a giant mess. Is it the mess this guy says it is? Probably not. But it's going to increase the cost and decrease the quality for a lot of people.

Another fact is that you will never generate a constructive argument and work towards positively ammending it if all you do is go histrionic and call everyone who doesn't agree with you, evil, delusional, foolish, and a bunch of monstrous idiots trying to undermine and destroy their nation.

Most shold have learn this by second grade.

(Not talking to you, but the writer of this article and those like it.)

[MEANDWARF]

Our current system = FAIL. Why don't you write about that.

Can you be more pacific?

As a healthcare professional, I give medical care to all those whom needed. I hung IV bags to illegal aliens and gave shots to those whom are on Welfare. Our hospital provide $67,000,000 in Indigent care last year alone.

It just drive me nuts to hear these politicians say that Americans are not getting healthcare.

p.s.-Your sig. touch me. Labs are cool dogs.

[aREDSKIN]

The fact of the matter is it's a giant mess. Is it the mess this guy says it is? Probably not. But it's going to increase the cost and decrease the quality for a lot of people.

Anyone who doesn't get this part just is in all probability in an partisan, dogmatic, talking points memo fixated masturbatory rage.

[Bang]

It just drive me nuts to hear these politicians say that Americans are not getting healthcare.

p.s.-Your sig. touch me. Labs are cool dogs.

Sure they get it.

Even if they have to live in abject poverty for the rest of their lives as a result of getting sick.

~Bang

[polywog999]

Can you be more pacific?

Surfs up!

[endzone_dave]

Sure they get it.

Even if they have to live in abject poverty for the rest of their lives as a result of getting sick.

~Bang

When China and Saudi Arabia decide not to buy our country's debt anymore, we are all going to be living in abject poverty.

[polywog999]

When China and Saudi Arabia decide not to buy our country's debt anymore, we are all going to be living in abject poverty.

I think the new plan will actually save money. Who pays for the uninsured as of right now? YOU do. You me and everyone who pays taxes.

The hospitals do not eat the losses incurred by unpaid bills. They pass their losses onto the state, the state raises your taxes.

Furthermore, the USA has currently, a very high administrative healthcare cost. About 36% compared to Candida at about 1%. The point is; most people who say it will fail, say it without the benefit of any statistics. They repeat what they heard on Fox or whatever comes down the pike, and don't tell me that Candida's healthcare system is broken... that is just more political poppy****.

[Hubbs]

It would be nice, however, to see some sort of counter to the numbers presented in the OP, rather than simply dismissing them because they come from a source with a particular political persuasion.

[Midnight Judges]

It would be nice, however, to see some sort of counter to the numbers presented in the OP, rather than simply dismissing them because they come from a source with a particular political persuasion.

If the estimate was $940 billion and it ends up being $1 trillion, that really wouldn't be much of a surprise. A 10-year estimate for a substantial overhaul of our volitile healthcare system that comes within 6% of being precisely correct would actually be pretty damn impressive.

[polywog999]

It would be nice, however, to see some sort of counter to the numbers presented in the OP, rather than simply dismissing them because they come from a source with a particular political persuasion.

Anybody can bring in stats to back up anything they say. I did introduce my own stats but that alone does not mean that I am correct, nor is that true for the OP.

[Midnight Judges]

And if the healthcare vote was as sacrificial as this douchebag Republican says, bravo to the Democrats for basing their votes on principles and not politics.

[polywog999]

And if the healthcare vote was as sacrificial as this douchebag Republican says, bravo to the Democrats for basing their votes on principles and not politics.

No need to evoke the almighty "douche-bag" tag!

[Thiebear]

And if the healthcare vote was as sacrificial as this douchebag Republican says, bravo to the Democrats for basing their votes on principles and not politics.

I can't disagree with this sentiment.

The Examiner seems to be Newsmax that they throw in my driveway to get all soggy.

[AsburySkinsFan]

Our current system = FAIL. Why don't you write about that.

You're all about the " = FAIL" posts lately huh?

[mbws]

Any writer who uses the term "a myriad of" instantly loses any credibility.