NoCalMike Posted August 17, 2003 Share Posted August 17, 2003 Is it me or does it seem there are some majory differences in the schemes used for these guys? When Ramsey was in, every other play was an audible, also it would be, pass pass pass, run, pass pass pass.....Yet when Rob got in there it was more of a "realistic" game plan with the run setting up the pass. I am not sure what to make of this except that maybe Spurrier thinks Ramsey just needs the PASSING reps rather than stuff like handing the ball off every other play. I mean, don't get me wrong, I think Ramsey is the better QB and no way in hell do I want Rob on the field in the regular season, I just feel that when he has played in the preseason, the scheme itself has made a lot more sense.....What does everyone else make of this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glorydays Posted August 17, 2003 Share Posted August 17, 2003 Your insight is on. Ramsey needs to be about 4 months up to speed in 2. His off season work countered the bugs. He now needs fine tuning with game plans in real situations, along with finding the open and hitting the open receivers. Correct. Rob Johnson is actually running some game plan situations that focus more on the "real" scheme of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted August 17, 2003 Share Posted August 17, 2003 I think you're right too, given their experience in the NFL... Ramsey is being given a lot more work and chances to see more things and work out the kinks. He was very uneven on Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted August 17, 2003 Share Posted August 17, 2003 I think this is accurate. Ramsey needs passing reps. He needs play after play after play of dropping back, looking at a defense and pulling the trigger on a pass. Nothing that Johnson did and none of the plays he had called for him were particularly realistic though within this offense. Last year only one game, the Rams game, can we be said to have predicated the offense on the running game. Every other game, including the Houston game where we had 16 rushes consecutively at one point, were based on the pass opening up the run. That is what this offense is designed around. Open the field early with pass plays and then hammer the run in after the defense has to respect the pass. If the defense has to respect the pass then you're golden. If it doesn't, then your done. You saw this with Matthews in many games last year. I wouldn't make a lot out of this observation though. Seems a pretty straightforward situation where you need to get your young guy reps in the passing game that he missed in the first game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefhogskin48 Posted August 17, 2003 Share Posted August 17, 2003 This comment will find the ire of most people on this board, but I will say it anyways. Rob Johnson is probably every bit as good, or better, than Ramsey at this point. I suspect this will change with time. RJ does offer a nice skill set- he has mobility, a better pocket feel than I ever thought, and a really accurate arm. He'll always, it seems, have a tendency to hold the ball for too long and that's his achilles heel as a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted August 17, 2003 Share Posted August 17, 2003 I agree w/ Art. I think the preseason to this point has been about giving Ramsey opportunity to throw the football. Let's face it, it's quite easy to pivot and handoff to a runningback. Spurrier is calling primarily passing plays so that Ramsey gets a chance to drop back and go through his "deep to short" progressions. Unfortunately, the offensive line has not gelled to the point where he can sit back there with time to throw. That will come.... HOPEFULLY... later in the preseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted August 17, 2003 Share Posted August 17, 2003 I think the comment about Johnson being as good as Ramsey is at this point is accurate. We're starting Ramsey (aside from his draft status) because we expect him to be better. However, Ramsey is still better than Johnson in one key area: he gets rid of the ball faster. But I too agree with the analysis. Last night - and I'd expect this in the remaining two games as well - was about getting Patrick his reps, precisely what Spurrier said he was going to do prior to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted August 17, 2003 Share Posted August 17, 2003 RJ played againts 2nd team defences keep that in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted August 18, 2003 Author Share Posted August 18, 2003 RJ also has a REPUTATION of playing great in preseason, and then HORRIBLE in the regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougWilliams Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 RJ did look much better last night than I'd ever seen him before... He still took a sack after holding the ball a minute or two. But all in all, I still think Ramsey little better, and was playing against a better d. though course he had a better supporting cast, too.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OrangeSkin Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Johnson would've been crushed by the Pats first-team D. He's atrocious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codeorama Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 I agree with Art and the others that have said that this is just about Ramsey getting reps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poidog22 Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Originally posted by codeorama I agree with Art and the others that have said that this is just about Ramsey getting reps. Yeah, me too. I really do think that Ramsey and Spurrier need to get more coordinated in respect to getting the play called with enough time for Ramsey to call an audible at the line as he sees fit. This coming to the line with 10 sec. on the playclock and then trying to swicth the play isn't going to get it done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD_washingtonredskins Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 It has to be intentional...Ramsey threw 24 passes in the first half. I dont expect that 50 passes per game would be the norm even for Spurrier.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Ramsey is working on passing fundamentals and just getting reps. I expect more balance when it counts. And I liked what I saw with Hamsamich too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potato Sack Posted August 18, 2003 Share Posted August 18, 2003 Originally posted by speedwagon20 It has to be intentional...Ramsey threw 24 passes in the first half. I dont expect that 50 passes per game would be the norm even for Spurrier.... I don't know...look at some of the games teams like the Raiders and Steelers produced last year. It was ALL passing in those games. But, I agree, that I like the game plan when RJ was in there. I certainly hope that's what our offense will mirror come September 4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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