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The dismantling of a legend is in full force. These days, it is easy to wonder if Tim Tebow ever played football at all.

Listen, and you will hear about the long, loopy flaw in his delivery. Read, and you will find those who question his feet, his arm and his ability to read an opposing defense. Pay attention, and you will find those who think any NFL team interested in drafting Tebow is wasting its time.

Then there is Sam Wyche, who suggests the critics should worry more about their accuracy than Tebow's.

"If this guy can't be a starting quarterback in the NFL," said Wyche, a former Bucs coach, "then I was in the wrong profession for a lot of years."

Say this much for Wyche. He didn't win enough games in Tampa Bay (23 in four years), but he knows what a quarterback looks like. Once, in San Francisco, he was Joe Montana's quarterback coach. Once, in Cincinnati, he was Boomer Esiason's head coach.

These days, Wyche is part of Tebow's pit crew, the collection of coaches in charge of reinventing Tebow's passing mechanics. Last month, Wyche and Tebow spent two days at a facility in Franklin, Tenn., working in the classroom and on the field.

In the end, Wyche was impressed with what he saw. And if the reports out of Franklin are correct, NFL scouts might do well to give Tebow another look when he has his pro day (March 17).

"Would I draft him?" Wyche said. "Absolutely. Sure. If he's not taken early, somebody is going to be called a genius for taking him wherever he goes."

Perhaps you have heard different reports, haven't you? Since the end of the season, skeptics have lined up to talk about the varied reasons why Tebow will not succeed in the NFL. At times, the talk was so harsh you wondered if those 47 games Tebow's Florida team won was a misprint, or if his 88 touchdown passes were just a rumor.

Some of that, naturally, is the way the draft process dissects a player. But some of it seems to be a backlash toward a player who was praised so often in college.

Give Tebow credit for this much: He has at least been on a quest to get better. How many quarterbacks who were stars in college can say that? Former NFL offensive coordinator Zeke Bratkowski is the chief mechanic, but Montreal Alouettes coach Marc Trestman and Arizona State offensive coordinator Noel Mazzone have offered input, too.

As for Wyche, he became involved when Tony Dungy, the coach who replaced him in Tampa, recommended him to Bob Tebow, Tim's father. Wyche, now 65 and a county council member in Pickins, S.C., dusted off his whistle and came aboard.

"He's accurate," Wyche said of Tebow. "He's smart. He anticipates well. He's a commander in the huddle. He has good footwork. … He has agility. He has athleticism. So many things are right about this guy."

Wyche said their sessions began in the classroom. What does it mean when the free safety is in the middle? (It means a defense can't outnumber you.) What does it mean when the corner is bent at the waist? (Probably zone coverage, because it's not a good man technique.) What does it mean when the corner plays inside technique? (He doesn't have safety help.)

"He's as smart as anyone," Wyche said. "I was around Montana and Boomer, and they would be at the top of the list of understand theory coming out of college. They understood concepts. This guy is right with them. I hope he gets a good coordinator and a good quarterback coach. If not, he'll be smarter than they are."

Arm strength? Wyche says Tebow will have one of the strongest arms in the league. Footwork? Wyche says it's as good as anyone's. Accuracy? Along with intelligence, Wyche says that's Tebow's strongest asset.

Ah, but then there is Tebow's much-discussed delivery. While at Florida, there were a lot of plays when Tebow wound up like a pitcher and threw the ball like a shot-putter.

Wyche admits that if he knew nothing more than what he was seeing on film, that would concern him. As it is, Wyche thinks Tebow will quickly overcome his flaws in the manner that former NFL star Randall Cunningham did when he came out of college with his own awkward delivery.

"Everyone wants to talk about his long windup and dropping the ball," Wyche said. "But if he takes the ball up with two hands, which he didn't do in college, you have to put it in the same spot near your ear every time. If you wind up (as Tebow did at Florida), you get a different release point every time.

"Boy, he worked hard at it. He could tell when he tried and it wasn't right. He was coaching himself."

So where is Tebow going to be drafted? First round? Third round? As an H-back?

Wherever it is, Wyche said, he hopes there is a veteran there who can mentor him for a year or so.

"Paul Brown used to say to me, 'Don't tell me about how good an athlete a guy is. Tell me about how good a football player he is.' I think Tebow is one of the elite."

So, you ask Wyche. Is Tebow better than anyone you coached in Tampa Bay?

"Well, yeah."

Wow. Just wow. Amidst all the Tebow-hating, this almost sounds like blasphemy, but part of me wants to trust Wyche, especially given his experience and resume.

Now, I'm not lobbying for Tebow here, but just hear me out, if anything, this article is a reminder that maybe we don't need to select a quarterback with the 4th overall selection. :beatdeadhorse: I know. I know.

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You never know.......ive seen crazier **** happen in this league....

Hes definitly got the drive, and coachability.....

I mean.....while most other rooks will be out partying, I can promise you Tebow will be in the weightroom/filmroom/practice field.........

Hes got a chance.......hes certainly not someone I personally would EVER write off.

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Wow. Just wow. Amidst all the Tebow-hating, this almost sounds like blasphemy, but part of me wants to trust Wyche, especially given his experience and resume.

Now, I'm not lobbying for Tebow here, but just hear me out, if anything, this article is a reminder that maybe we don't need to select a quarterback with the 4th overall selection. :beatdeadhorse: I know. I know.

The people who think Tebow can be an NFL QB have all played or coached in the NFL the people that can't are sports media and interent 'scouts'.

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The people who think Tebow can be an NFL QB have all played or coached in the NFL the people that can't are sports media and interent 'scouts'.

I like the observation.

I, myself, tend to side with Wyche, in that the only thing I really see wrong with him is the delivery. He's fixing it--or at least he's trying to. We'll just have to wait until his pro-day to figure out how far he's come... but I have a good feeling he's going to impress.

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Sam Wyche and I have no idea if they are related.

As for the question I voted yes

I believe he can be elite I just want him to work on that somewhere else

WOW!!!! I am an idiot lol...

How do I edit the title? I've never done it before...

Edit: Got it. It's Sam. Sorry about that. Thanks for pointing that out.

Steve does indeed exist, though: http://blogs.nfl.com/category/steve-wyche/ :hysterical:

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The people who think Tebow can be an NFL QB have all played or coached in the NFL the people that can't are sports media and interent 'scouts'.

Jimmy Johnson said he doesn't think Tebow can play NFL QB. Brian Billick has said that he'd fail as a QB with that throwing motion. Joe Theismann said that Tebow should have retired as a great college QB.

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The people who think Tebow can be an NFL QB have all played or coached in the NFL the people that can't are sports media and interent 'scouts'.
There's definitely been former NFL players, coaches, and GMs who have spoken out against Tebow (including our very own Kyle Shanahan who didn't completely shut down his chances, but wasn't optimistic either), and I also like how you completely dismiss any former NFL scouts that do internet work now.
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I just do not see it happening. All of the reasons that relatively unknown QBs out of college sometimes find success in the NFL (quick release, sound fundamentals, decisive), are all of the things that Tebow lacks (aside from maybe personality/leadership). Of course, I may be a bit biased because I have never liked the guy.

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There's definitely been former NFL players, coaches, and GMs who have spoken out against Tebow (including our very own Kyle Shanahan who didn't completely shut down his chances, but wasn't optimistic either), and I also like how you completely dismiss any former NFL scouts that do internet work now.

I've read Kyle's quote and i would hardly call it speaking out against Tebow chance to be an NFL QB amounted to you'd better have a plan in place to build your offense around him and you know what Mike S said about a QB? You build your offense to suit the QB.

I think if you compiled a list of names of the people that think Tebow can be a NFL QB it would outweight the list of those people scouts whoever that think that he can't.

I'm tired of hearing people on the radio or people on this board say Tebow can't make blah blah blah...

off the top of my head those in favor:

Tony Dungy

Jon Gruden

Gil Brandt

Jim Kelly

Mike Mayock

Razzano NFL scout

Jim Zorn

Mike Lombardi

Charlse Davis

Corey Chavous

(Most of NFLN)

Steve Wyche

Bartowski

those against:

Mel Kiper (hedged)

McShay (hedged)

Walterfootball McGuire blasts Tebow but still hedges his chances

Some OL for the Jags

You can teach mechanics you can't teach heart, desire, leadrship

Plenty of QBs that have picture perfect throwing motions can't play a lick of pro football.

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