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Jason Campbell's career win-loss record is 19-35

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The simplest way to measure Campbell is Wins and Losses. Yes I agree QB rating and completion % and all the other stats can factor in but at the end of the day it's all about wins and losses and looking into it these are the facts behind Campbell's record as a starter.

2006 Campbell as starter 2-5

2007 Campbell as starter 5-7

2008 Campbell as starter 8-8

2009 Campbell as starter 4-12

That makes Campbell's career win/loss record at

19 wins and 35 losses

So to all those Campbell supporters I challenge you to defend that fact. 19-35 is inexcusable. These are the hard facts. For those fans out there that want to continue with that I ask you why? What has Campbell shown that gets you excited about keeping him?

Yes, the man can take a hit. That's great if he's a boxer but how often do you see Peyton Manning get hit? Is it because Peyton Manning has the greatest offensive line ever or is it just because he's smart enough to play the position better?

Campbell might be a warrior and if I'm Allen and Shanahan I'm singing his praise right now just in hopes of upselling his trade value as an RFA.

But the fact is Campbell is 19-35 as a starter.

The last great QB we had that helped us to the playoffs in back to back years was Mark Rypien. Ryp suited up from us from 88 to 93 during the time we had winning seasons from 89 to 92 and 3 straight playoff appearances along with the Super Bowl in between as well.

QB play is and always will be a measuring stick of success. And the bottom line is Campbell is not worthy of us sticking with him anymore. For all those JC supporters out there give me reasons and give me hope why we should stick with him? What has he done to make you believe that he can get us back to winning football?

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The simplest way to measure Campbell is Wins and Losses. Yes I agree QB rating and completion % and all the other stats can factor in but at the end of the day it's all about wins and losses and looking into it these are the facts behind Campbell's record as a starter.

2006 Campbell as starter 2-5

2007 Campbell as starter 5-7

2008 Campbell as starter 8-8

2009 Campbell as starter 4-12

That makes Campbell's career win/loss record at

19 wins and 35 losses

So to all those Campbell supporters I challenge you to defend that fact. 19-35 is inexcusable........

.......But the fact is Campbell is 19-35 as a starter.......

I haven't paid much attention to Campbell's stats, since they can be used to prove or disprove any point.

I did take the numbers in column A and Column B and came up with 19-32, for whatever that is worth. If you agree, you might want to change the title of this thread.

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darrelgreenie

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That makes Campbell's career win/loss record .....19 wins and 35 losses

Win/Loss record is a team stat.

Football is also a team game.

Win/loss record is also a reflection on the FO.

And the bottom line is Campbell is not worthy of us sticking with him anymore. For all those JC supporters out there give me reasons and give me hope why we should stick with him? What has he done to make you believe that he can get us back to winning football?

The bolded/highlighted portion precludes any open minded discussion.

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Spaceman Spiff

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I'm not a JC defender by any stretch of the imagination but...it's a team sport. There's a lot more to a win or a loss than a qb's performance.

What about some of those wins where Campbell plays average at best? What about some of those losses where Campbell does well but the defense can't hold in the final minutes?

It's a vastly overrated way to look at the value of a QB. It's not like he's been the only thing that's kept this team down since he's been here. Granted, I think he's been a part of it but all those losses don't reside squarely on his shoulders.

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I agree with those saying that you can't place the win/losses on JC alone. It's a team sport. 12 of those losses came from playing behind the worse OL in football last season and you could probably say the same for those losses in 2006. Also if i counted right 21 of those losses were by 7 points or less. Imagine what his record could be playing behind a good OL

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SoCalSkins

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QB win/loss record is the most useless stat in sports

teams win or lose, not just one player.

seriously, arguing a QB win/loss record is just silly, and shows a lack of football knowledge.

Since JC has been a Redskin, The Redskins are a winning team when he sits and a losing team when he plays.

3 playoff games without him. None with him.

In games played after November 1st since he was drafted, he is 7-22 when he plays a half or more. Without him, the Redskins are 11-4.

QB record absolutely matters when other members of the team produce when he sits.

If the team won the same without him, you might have an argument, but you don't.

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Nothing wrong with posting his win/loss record. It is what it is right now. The real issue for our new coach to decide is whether or not JC can get better or not. Also can he regress if not given the proper run support and a weak offensive line? JC cannot put an entire team on his back and "carry" a struggling team now. The top ten quarterbacks in the league can strike quickly and effectively for their teams. Its up to Shanahan who gets paid the big bucks now to make the right call about JC's future now in Washington.

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TSO

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Drew Brees win-loss record before this season wasn't particularly endearing. What does that say about him?

Also, can we just be starting QB for the Washington Redskins supporters, or is that not allowed, lol? Does it have to be "Campbell supporters"?

Because I swear if we go with a guy like Bradford in the draft and have him start this year I'll defend him from weak arguments just the same.

Scratch that, I don't even care who starts. I support any QB in the Burgundy and Gold so long as they are classy off the field as well. And by "support" I mean hope for the best mainly, not necessarily that they're super awesome in my mind and that's that.

*Edit* I just know everything else I said won't even get a glance, it'll just be "how dare you compare Campbell to Brees". :ols:

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The Robert Griffin Experience

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*sigh*

I just find it impossible to believe the support that Jason Campbell has on this board.

The guy can produce to an extent when things are going well; and yes, it seems counter intuitive to think that he can't put up much better numbers if he actually had a team around him. But just watch him play for once. What does he DO in a game that stands out to you? It seems that every aspect of his game is inconsistent - inconsistent accuracy, inconsistent decision-making, inconsistent footwork...and this is a guy who is not lazy! He works his heart out to get better. He does reps. He works on film. He has done very, very much to facilitate his own development process. Yet after all of this, you can't tell me he has the basics of being an NFL quarterback "down pat", because he does not.

If JC was a 2nd or 3rd year player, then these fundamental inconsistencies wouldn't matter too much. But this is his 5th year; we shouldn't be seeing these things at this point. And in a league when you need your QB to be at a franchise or close to franchise QB level (sorry, the Jets and Ravens model is a once or twice a decade model at best, and the 80s Redskins model is simply not viable by any stretch, and those teams), having a merely adequate QB (with the really, truly glaring weakness of not having a deep ball - I can't believe people understate this in this day and age - our starting quarterback cannot connect on or create deep plays AT ALL, which is truly worrisome) just isn't enough. Especially a QB that is not clutch at all; at least a guy like Eli is clutch.

So, which is easier? Upgrade an adequate QB? Or make the other 21 guys elite?

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BruinSkin

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Since JC has been a Redskin, The Redskins are a winning team when he sits and a losing team when he plays.

That's because Jason is such a great teammate and coach from the sidelines. His clipboard holding skills have improved EVERY year he's been on the team. Get with it, SoCal.

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TSO

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He was 25-23 with the Saints.

Far better than 19-35.

Plus Brees made the Saints better when he played. JC makes the Redskins worse.

What did I say? :ols:

*Edit* I just know everything else I said won't even get a glance, it'll just be "how dare you compare Campbell to Brees". :ols:

Was I right, or what? :pfft:

I know Brees made the Saints better, and Campbell is definitely not on Brees' level and he may never be... that being said, the point I was making was clear: win/loss record is definitely not a good indicator in measuring a QB.

By the way, the OP counted wrong. It wasn't 19-35. He actually gave Campbell 3 more losses than warranted, lol.

Though I'm sure that'll keep being ignored. It's not a big deal, 19-32 is still very poor, but I think it says something as to the inability to see clearly some people have when it comes to Campbell. They lose their ability to even add one-digit, simple numbers correctly! ;)

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