Jimmy Clausen or Sam Bradford?

[StillUnknown]

I don't know if this has been brought up before...but if we draft clausen do we let him wear #7?

i read somewhere that theismann would be ok with him wearing the number, its the notre dame connection

[J-bomb]

Did anyone else see the story on ESPN about Brees and Dr. Andrews dealing with his surgery? Dr. Andrews said 1 out of 100 people could recover from the injury Brees sustained and that he was lucky they didn't know if he was going to be the same. Is this the same injury Bradford has and how can people be so certain he will recover and play the same, shouldn't this be a redflag for taking a QB 4th overall?

[NewCliche21]

To everyone being a pariah in this thread, per rotoworld/WP:

New Redskins coach Mike Shanahan is "eager to draft and develop a young quarterback," a league source tells Jason Reid of the Washington Post.

This doesn't mean that Jason Campbell won't be back in 2010, but it does mean that Shanahan doesn't view the restricted free agent [Campbell] as the long-term answer. Most mocks have the Redskins taking Sam Bradford or Jimmy Clausen with the No. 4 overall pick.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/jason-reid/shanahans-plan-will-become-cle.html

As Tim Taylor would say, "Ho ho ho-ho ho!"

Reid is worthless. He just regurgitated what he read on here; it's nothing new.

[MGutta]

Reid is worthless. He just regurgitated what he read on here; it's nothing new.

Yet people are still in denial. (look at previous posts)

It's always worth pointing out that the aroma is still fresh in the air around here...

[Sweet Sassy Molassy]

I lean towards Clausen, mainly because I've seen more Clausen, due to Bradford's injury this past season. ND seemed to always be on TV. But from watching Clausen this past year, he showed good accuracy, leadership, makes good decisions with the ball, and gives his WRs a chance to make the catch.

Watching Bradford's highlights he has good accuracy and it looks like he does a good job of reading the field, when he needs to, but a lot of his throws were to the first read, he can buy time in the pocket and moves around when he needs to.

But I just like Clausen's fire and ability to consistently perform well under pressure even with an injury, I don't care if Golden Tate was his favorite WR, hell Montana and Steve Young had Jerry Rice, Philip Rivers has Antonio Gates and Vincent Jackson. QBs have favorite WRs all the time, I'm not going to fault them for having good WRs to throw to.

When all is said and done, I really wont be too upset with whichever guy Shananhan decides to take. I will say that Clausen reminds me a little bit of Jay Cutler who as we all know was a Shanny pick.

[NewCliche21]

Yet people are still in denial. (look at previous posts)

It's always worth pointing out that the aroma is still fresh in the air around here...

Dude, been here four years. The argument has been beaten to death. Some people are still arguing about it, and the rest of us have lives.

[MGutta]

Dude, been here four years. The argument has been beaten to death. Some people are still arguing about it, and the rest of us have lives.

For real?

25 posts x 48 = 1,200 posts over 4 years at my current rate, compared to your 10,000. I don't want to hear any "no life" argument lmao.

Maybe the argument has been beaten to death because we've had monkeys pushing buttons in the front office since '99 who have done nothing but bury the franchise. For the first time in a decade, we have a true football guru and you pick now to give up? Maybe the argument has been beaten to death because the voices haven't been heard, did you ever think of that?

Come on now, I've seen you post before... you're better than that.

[AKM311]

FYI.....This is what Mayock has to say about this years QB Class (I respect Mayock more than other analysts)

"I didn't even want to talk about the kid, to be honest with you, because I think other people deserve as much attention as he does," Mayock said. "I don't think there is a Top 10 quarterback in this class."

Just some food for thought....

Edit....when talking about the kid, he is referring to Tim Tebow.

[NewCliche21]

For real?

25 posts x 48 = 1,200 posts over 4 years at my current rate, compared to your 10,000. I don't want to hear any "no life" argument lmao.

Maybe the argument has been beaten to death because we've had monkeys pushing buttons in the front office since '99 who have done nothing but bury the franchise. For the first time in a decade, we have a true football guru and you pick now to give up? Maybe the argument has been beaten to death because the voices haven't been heard, did you ever think of that?

Come on now, I've seen you post before... you're better than that.

Huh? Get your panties undone; I wasn't talking about you. How could you beat something to death when you've only been here a month? I'm not accusing you of anything. I was talking about the people still going back and forth who HAVE been arguing for years repeating the same points, stats, and posts. THOSE people need a hobby or two.

Better go down to the corner store and pick yourself some self-confidence and security before Snowmageddon II: Snowmageddon Harder hits.

[NewCliche21]

FYI.....This is what Mayock has to say about this years QB Class (I respect Mayock more than other analysts)

"I didn't even want to talk about the kid, to be honest with you, because I think other people deserve as much attention as he does," Mayock said. "I don't think there is a Top 10 quarterback in this class."

Just some food for thought....

Edit....when talking about the kid, he is referring to Tim Tebow.

This sure isn't a 2004 or 1983 draft class.

[AKM311]

This sure isn't a 2004 or 1983 draft class.

Which is why we need to be careful drafting one of them at #4.

Not saying NO to QB, but they better be sure we are not forcing this pick.

[MGutta]

Huh? Get your panties undone; I wasn't talking about you. How could you beat something to death when you've only been here a month? I'm not accusing you of anything. I was talking about the people still going back and forth who HAVE been arguing for years repeating the same points, stats, and posts. THOSE people need a hobby or two.

Better go down to the corner store and pick yourself some self-confidence and security before Snowmageddon II: Snowmageddon Harder hits.

Sorry lol

I take my Redskins very seriously and I just don't think there's anything to do but bring up vintage arguments and beat them to death... especially when the problems haven't been addressed.

...Argh....about the snow.

[BruinSkin]

Did anyone else see the story on ESPN about Brees and Dr. Andrews dealing with his surgery? Dr. Andrews said 1 out of 100 people could recover from the injury Brees sustained and that he was lucky they didn't know if he was going to be the same. Is this the same injury Bradford has and how can people be so certain he will recover and play the same, shouldn't this be a redflag for taking a QB 4th overall?

Not the same injury at all. Brees had a 360 degree lateral tear of his labrum. Bradford had a third degree sprain of his AC joint.

[texasthunder]

Did anyone else see the story on ESPN about Brees and Dr. Andrews dealing with his surgery? Dr. Andrews said 1 out of 100 people could recover from the injury Brees sustained and that he was lucky they didn't know if he was going to be the same. Is this the same injury Bradford has and how can people be so certain he will recover and play the same, shouldn't this be a redflag for taking a QB 4th overall?

I dont believe the injuries were the same, seems like Brees was alittle more severe.

But I did find it interesting that in the Bradford interview, he said he would be ready by the "Pro Days".

Which if I am understanding it correctly, he will not be at the combine ?

[J-bomb]

Not the same injury at all. Brees had a 360 degree lateral tear of his labrum. Bradford had a third degree sprain of his AC joint.

Ok, i didn't know, some people on here have been saying he has the same injury as Brees and look what Brees did! He should be fine then, but I still wouldn't choose any qb at 4, trade down shanny!

[Thinking Skins]

Neither thanks. Jason is still improving.

In Jason's fifth season, his completion percentage was 64.5%, for 3618 yards, with a 7.1 YPA and 15 INTs. At the same point, Drew Brees had half a season more starting experience and completed 64.6%, for 3576 yards, with a 7.2 YPA and 15 INTs. The big difference is that Brees passed for 4 more touchdowns (24 to 20).

Don't give up on Jason yet.

Just to play pessimist here, The Chargers had also figured that Brees may or may not be the answer by then and said they were willing to at least try another option. I wouldn't fault the Redskins for doing teh same.

[NewCliche21]

Sorry lol

I take my Redskins very seriously and I just don't think there's anything to do but bring up vintage arguments and beat them to death... especially when the problems haven't been addressed.

...Argh....about the snow.

It's okay. ES is new and exciting for you! Just get to know the posters who have a few more posts so that you're familiar with our styles. Believe me, it's really easy to take some people here the wrong way.

[NewCliche21]

Which is why we need to be careful drafting one of them at #4.

Not saying NO to QB, but they better be sure we are not forcing this pick.

I'm with you.

It sucks that this draft class overall has nobody in any position worth a #4 in a normal draft class.

Bradford and Clausen would be second-rounders just six years back.

[skinsfan190]

I'm with you.

It sucks that this draft class overall has nobody in any position worth a #4 in a normal draft class.

Bradford and Clausen would be second-rounders just six years back.

U are nuts. This is the best draft class since 2004 IMO

Both Bradford and Clausen will be better pros than Stafford and Sanchez. BOOK IT

[NewCliche21]

U are nuts. This is the best draft class since 2004 IMO

Both Bradford and Clausen will be better pros than Stafford and Sanchez. BOOK IT

Seriously?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_NFL_Draft#Round_one

You think that THIS draft will have THAT kind of production?

[skinsfan190]

Seriously?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_NFL_Draft#Round_one

You think that THIS draft will have THAT kind of production?

Well I'm not saying Sam and Clausen will both win superbowls.

Hopefully if we draft 1 they will

I'm saying this draft's talent from top to bottom is really good and the best since 2004. I think the first 2 and even 3 rounds are loaded with talent.

The thing is, some of the weaker positions like QB, OG, C are some of our biggest needs. Outside of Bradford or Clausen, I wouldn't take another QB til the 3rd round or so.

Positions like CB, Safety, DE, DT, OLB are loaded with talent.

As far as the tackles. I wouldn't take any of them with the 4th pick. There are alot of good ones, but no Ryan Cladys or Joe Thomas'

I would wait til the 2nd and grab a guy like Charles Brown who is very athletic, but is best fit in a zone blocking scheme

As far as Bradford and Clausen, I think both have Pro Bowl potenial. I think alot of People underrate both guys and will shocked how good pros both will be.

I just hope we grab one of the QBs, I know it's risky,but If you think u've found your guy. U take em. Hopefully we can get our QB and tackle like the Falcons did in 2008.

[MGutta]

Seriously?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_NFL_Draft#Round_one

You think that THIS draft will have THAT kind of production?

Well let me try, based on the comparisons I've seen from the scouts.

I'm doing the pro bowlers in the 1st round of '04 vs. the best at the same positions of the '10 class. The comparisons from Walter Football are in parentheses.

Eli Manning -- Sam Bradford (Eli Manning)

Larry Fitzgerald -- Dez Bryant (Chad OchoCinco)

Phillip Rivers -- Jimmy Clausen (Kurt Warner)

Sean Taylor -- Eric Berry (Ed Reed)

Kellen Winslow Jr. -- Jermaine Gresham (Tony Gonzalez)

Roy E. Williams -- Golden Tate (Steve Smith (NYG))

DeAngelo Hall -- Joe Haden (Leon Hall)

Ben Roethlisberger -- Tim Tebow (Byron Leftwich QB, Mike Alstott, FB)

Jonathan Vilma -- Rolando McClain (Bart Scott)

Tommie Harris -- Gerald McCoy (Kevin Williams)

Sean Andrews -- Russell Okung (Joe Thomas)

Will Smith -- Derrick Morgan (Patrick Kerney)

Vince Wilfork -- Ndamukong Suh (Richard Seymour)

Steven Jackson -- CJ Spiller (Reggie Bush)

I guess it's only fair to write down the stats now and check back in 2016, but from what the scouts have said, a lot of the '10 counterparts are projected to be better than the '04s. Kiper has said the two DTs are two of the best players he's ever seen.

PLUS, this draft has a lot more O-Line than '04 did.

The problem, I think, with this draft is that it's so deep that people are being de-valued.

Player comparisons can be found at: http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010jclausen.php. To do other players, just switch jclausen with first initial, last name in all lowercase.

[Hail Gibbs]

Bradford all the way, assuming Dr. Andrews gives the OK on his shoulder. I think Clausen will bust, much like Quinn. Both put up big numbers against teams with inferior talent.

Charlie Casserly said on WaPo live the other day that if Bradford's shoulder checks out that he is clearly the top QB in the draft and that is the general consensus he has gathered from front office personnel around the league. He also noted that he gets much more cold than hot when talking to the same personnel about Clausen.

Edit: Another interesting tidbit from Casserly was in his opinion this draft has the deepest 1st round since 1983.

[NewCliche21]

Well I'm not saying Sam and Clausen will both win superbowls.

Hopefully if we draft 1 they will

I'm saying this draft's talent from top to bottom is really good and the best since 2004. I think the first 2 and even 3 rounds are loaded with talent.

The thing is, some of the weaker positions like QB, OG, C are some of our biggest needs. Outside of Bradford or Clausen, I wouldn't take another QB til the 3rd round or so.

Positions like CB, Safety, DE, DT, OLB are loaded with talent.

As far as the tackles. I wouldn't take any of them with the 4th pick. There are alot of good ones, but no Ryan Cladys or Joe Thomas'

I would wait til the 2nd and grab a guy like Charles Brown who is very athletic, but is best fit in a zone blocking scheme

As far as Bradford and Clausen, I think both have Pro Bowl potenial. I think alot of People underrate both guys and will shocked how good pros both will be.

I just hope we grab one of the QBs, I know it's risky,but If you think u've found your guy. U take em. Hopefully we can get our QB and tackle like the Falcons did in 2008.

Well let me try, based on the comparisons I've seen from the scouts.

I'm doing the pro bowlers in the 1st round of '04 vs. the best at the same positions of the '10 class. The comparisons from Walter Football are in parentheses.

Eli Manning -- Sam Bradford (Eli Manning)

Larry Fitzgerald -- Dez Bryant (Chad OchoCinco)

Phillip Rivers -- Jimmy Clausen (Kurt Warner)

Sean Taylor -- Eric Berry (Ed Reed)

Kellen Winslow Jr. -- Jermaine Gresham (Tony Gonzalez)

Roy E. Williams -- Golden Tate (Steve Smith (NYG))

DeAngelo Hall -- Joe Haden (Leon Hall)

Ben Roethlisberger -- Tim Tebow (Byron Leftwich QB, Mike Alstott, FB)

Jonathan Vilma -- Rolando McClain (Bart Scott)

Tommie Harris -- Gerald McCoy (Kevin Williams)

Sean Andrews -- Russell Okung (Joe Thomas)

Will Smith -- Derrick Morgan (Patrick Kerney)

Vince Wilfork -- Ndamukong Suh (Richard Seymour)

Steven Jackson -- CJ Spiller (Reggie Bush)

I guess it's only fair to write down the stats now and check back in 2016, but from what the scouts have said, a lot of the '10 counterparts are projected to be better than the '04s. Kiper has said the two DTs are two of the best players he's ever seen.

PLUS, this draft has a lot more O-Line than '04 did.

The problem, I think, with this draft is that it's so deep that people are being de-valued.

Player comparisons can be found at: http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010jclausen.php. To do other players, just switch jclausen with first initial, last name in all lowercase.

I see what you guys are saying.

I just don't forget it when Kiper, Mayock, everyone has some boner over every player in the draft. EVERY year there is a can't-miss guy. EVERY year somebody has to be the best at his position. Is Bradford or Clausen better than any of the 2004 quarterbacks? I'm doubting it. Would you honestly take either of them over Manning, Rivers, Roethlischeeseberger? I wouldn't. Just because you're the number one overall this year doesn't mean that you'd be top 20 five years ago (and no, not because you were a high school senior! )

And any player can be compared to any other player with a similar style, but that doesn't mean that said player is the same talent level, you know?

I'm just not feeling it. I love having a high pick, but this year, I'm just kinda "meh" about these players.

However, bookmark it and shove it in my face if we get our franchise player at whatever position.

[MGutta]

I see what you guys are saying.

I just don't forget it when Kiper, Mayock, everyone has some boner over every player in the draft. EVERY year there is a can't-miss guy. EVERY year somebody has to be the best at his position. Is Bradford or Clausen better than any of the 2004 quarterbacks? I'm doubting it. Would you honestly take either of them over Manning, Rivers, Roethlischeeseberger? I wouldn't. Just because you're the number one overall this year doesn't mean that you'd be top 20 five years ago (and no, not because you were a high school senior! )

And any player can be compared to any other player with a similar style, but that doesn't mean that said player is the same talent level, you know?

I'm just not feeling it. I love having a high pick, but this year, I'm just kinda "meh" about these players.

However, bookmark it and shove it in my face if we get our franchise player at whatever position.

Well, I agree with you in that I'd rather have Eli, Ben and Phil right now, but it's not a fair discussion... If the question is one of those three or Clausen/Bradford coming out of a 6 year time warp, then the decision becomes much more difficult. If Shanahan gives the OK on either, then I'd take Clausen or Bradford over them in a heartbeat.

I'm not taking the comparisons for dogma, but they're pretty good. http://walterfootball.com/pro2009borakpo.php <<< They got that comparison DEAD ON down to the hybrid LB/DE nature of Suggs...