Jimmy Clausen or Sam Bradford?

[skinsfan190]

Any scenario that does not include us getting Mike Iupati makes me want to cry!

Dude is overrated. He's a great pick in the 2nd, butwhen people say he's a mid first he's overrated. He was getting owned in the senior bowl by everyone. He's a great run blocker, but still very raw pass protecter

[StillUnknown]

Dude is overrated. He's a great pick in the 2nd, butwhen people say he's a mid first he's overrated. He was getting owned in the senior bowl by everyone. He's a great run blocker, but still very raw pass protecter

and they literally could have called him for holding on every play. the refs had mercy on that dude

[prufRock]

Right, fix the o-line first. Everyone knows the Super Bowls around here stopped as soon as Chris Samuels got hurt....

[Rodriggo]

Right, fix the o-line first. Everyone knows the Super Bowls around here stopped as soon as Chris Samuels got hurt....

Haha. Awesome. :ols:

[Rodriggo]

Dan LeFevour. Great work habits and all he did was win.

Wow he get's set real quick. He's got wheels too.

53 games and a QB rating of 142.9

I like me some Dan LeFevour.

What do you think about Tony Pike?

[hieverybody]

Neither thanks. Jason is still improving.

In Jason's fifth season, his completion percentage was 64.5%, for 3618 yards, with a 7.1 YPA and 15 INTs. At the same point, Drew Brees had half a season more starting experience and completed 64.6%, for 3576 yards, with a 7.2 YPA and 15 INTs. The big difference is that Brees passed for 4 more touchdowns (24 to 20).

Don't give up on Jason yet.

[skinsfan190]

Neither thanks. Jason is still improving.

In Jason's fifth season, his completion percentage was 64.5%, for 3618 yards, with a 7.1 YPA and 15 INTs. At the same point in his career, Drew Brees had half a season more starting experience and completed 64.6%, for 3576 yards, with a 7.2 YPA and 15 INTs. The big difference is that Brees passed for 4 more touchdowns (24 to 20).

Don't give up on Jason yet.

hmmmm. Nice stats. I am a jason supporter, but here is my thing.

I think the biggest key for succesful QBs is accuracy. Jason's accuracy is very inconsistent. I think he is a solid NFL starter but I think he will always be in that 20-10 range of NFL QBs. Hope I wrong tho

Second I think Jimmy Clausen will be a star. So I would draft my QB for the future

[Commander Adama]

Right, fix the o-line first. Everyone knows the Super Bowls around here stopped as soon as Chris Samuels got hurt....

Pretty funny stuff. My question to you is, why can't you address both?

[Hunter_R]

hmmmm. Nice stats. I am a jason supporter, but here is my thing.

I think the biggest key for succesful QBs is accuracy. Jason's accuracy is very inconsistent. I think he is a solid NFL starter but I think he will always be in that 20-10 range of NFL QBs. Hope I wrong tho

Second I think Jimmy Clausen will be a star. So I would draft my QB for the future

Lies, damn lies, and stats.

The year prior, Drew Brees was throwing for 27 tds and 7 ints in 15 games. Jason Campbell isn't comparable to Drew Brees anymore than he is to Joe Montana.

[hieverybody]

Lies, damn lies, and stats.

The year prior, Drew Brees was throwing for 27 tds and 7 ints in 15 games. Jason Campbell isn't comparable to Drew Brees anymore than he is to Joe Montana.

LDT isn't walking through that door either. We saw at the beginning of last year what Campbell can do with a good running game. Care to explain what caused Drew Brees's stats to be so good one year and to fall the next?

[ScottAH87]

Personally i just cant stand Jimmy Clausens face

[Hunter_R]

LDT isn't walking through that door either. We saw at the beginning of last year what Campbell can do with a good running game. Care to explain what caused Drew Brees's stats to be so good one year and to fall the next?

Because the series of random events didn't happen exactly the same way they did? Early on, Drew Brees consistantly played at a high level. Jason Campbell... not so much. We totally saw what Campbell can do with a good running game. Be a completely average qb that only managed to throw multiple tds twice. Don't kid yourself. That team only looked good for the 4 games after the giants game. The "good" team was 4-1, not 6-2.

[Koolblue13]

Wow he get's set real quick. He's got wheels too.

53 games and a QB rating of 142.9

I like me some Dan LeFevour.

What do you think about Tony Pike?

I'm not much of a fan. I've read some things about his dedication to football and his fork ethic, that have not thrilled me too much.

[hieverybody]

Early on, Drew Brees consistantly played at a high level. Jason Campbell... not so much.

Drew Brees in his first four seasons: 62.2% completion, 6.8 ypa, 80td, 53 int

Campbell in his first four seasons: 61.2% completion, 6.6 ypa, 55td, 38 int

I don't see how you can say that Brees consistently played at a high level early on, and then say that Campbell hasn't. You pointed out one stretch where Brees played very well, but Campbell has also had such a stretch. Brees's stats are better, but not by any significant measure. Moreover, he was erratic, whereas Campbell has steadily improved his numbers every year despite having worse players around him every year.

Brees and Campbell are different players, but Brees is a good example of how you don't get rid of an average, young QB.

[Warhead36]

Brees "got it" in his third year as a starter(fourth year overall). Campbell has been the starter for about three and a half years now, and has been in the NFL for five years, and still hasn't really shown that much improvement. I think it's time to move on.

I don't know who I'd draft between Bradford or Clausen though. Not really sold on either.

[think.rational]

Drew Brees in his first four seasons: 62.2% completion, 6.8 ypa, 80td, 53 int

Campbell in his first four seasons: 61.2% completion, 6.6 ypa, 55td, 38 int

I don't see how you can say that Brees consistently played at a high level early on, and then say that Campbell hasn't. You pointed out one stretch where Brees played very well, but Campbell has also had such a stretch. Brees's stats are better, but not by any significant measure. Moreover, he was erratic, whereas Campbell has steadily improved his numbers every year despite having worse players around him every year.

Brees and Campbell are different players, but Brees is a good example of how you don't get rid of an average, young QB.

Brees also had LT running the ball then. LT was in the top 2 or 3 running backs in the NFL during that period.

[morpheusmeyers]

Drew Brees in his first four seasons: 62.2% completion, 6.8 ypa, 80td, 53 int

Campbell in his first four seasons: 61.2% completion, 6.6 ypa, 55td, 38 int

The thing I notice about Brees San Diego years is that after year 2 he was putting up a lot of points. 27 TDs in 2004 and 24 TDs in 2005 in his 3rd and 4th years as starter.

Like Brees, Campbell struggled his 1st 2 seasons as a starter. But unlike Brees, Campbell didn't put up points in his 3rd year as a starter. Only 13 TDs in year 3. Campbell did have 20 TD's in year 4, though. Better, but still well below Brees 24 in year 4.

Brees was named 2004 NFL Comeback Player of the Year and was named to the Pro Bowl following the 2004 season. He was also named 1st alternate to the Pro Bowl following the 2005 season and would have played given Carson Palmer's injury, but his own injury (shoulder) caused him to miss the game.

Campbell hasn't sniffed a Pro Bowl, let alone the 2 Brees was selected to by the time he had finished his 4th season as a starter.

Brees had proven himself after year 4. The Chargers just couldn't afford to keep him after drafting another QB so high. Campbell, not so much.

[hieverybody]

The thing I notice about Brees San Diego years is that after year 2 he was putting up a lot of points. 27 TDs in 2004 and 24 TDs in 2005 in his 3rd and 4th years as starter.

Like Brees, Campbell struggled his 1st 2 seasons as a starter. But unlike Brees, Campbell didn't put up points in his 3rd year as a starter. Only 13 TDs in year 3. Campbell did have 20 TD's in year 4, though. Better, but still well below Brees 24 in year 4.

Brees was named 2004 NFL Comeback Player of the Year and was named to the Pro Bowl following the 2004 season. He was also named 1st alternate to the Pro Bowl following the 2005 season and would have played given Carson Palmer's injury, but his own injury (shoulder) caused him to miss the game.

Campbell hasn't sniffed a Pro Bowl, let alone the 2 Brees was selected to by the time he had finished his 4th season as a starter.

Brees had proven himself after year 4. The Chargers just couldn't afford to keep him after drafting another QB so high. Campbell, not so much.

Brees's td numbers are better, I don't dispute that. Nor am I arguing that if we keep Campbell he will turn out like Brees did. But I don't look at Campbell's TD numbers as critically as you do.

In the red zone, the average result of a run is better than the average result of a pass. Therefore, a strong running game is key to scoring points. I'd be ok with Campbell's TD numbers if he were able to move the ball up and down the field and was complemented by a run game that could punch it in when we got into the red zone. The problem is that we have needed Campbell to be our entire offense which he's not ready to do.

[morpheusmeyers]

Brees's td numbers are better, I don't dispute that. Nor am I arguing that if we keep Campbell he will turn out like Brees did. But I don't look at Campbell's TD numbers as critically as you do.

Brees was elected to the Pro Bowl following his 3rd season as a starter and was a 1st alternate following his 4th season as a starter.

Campbell hasn't come close to a single Pro Bowl.

Brees had proven himself as a solid QB after 4 seasons as a starter. With Campbell, there are still question marks.

[Khaezh12]

Why is Jimmy a douche, explain this to me

I only saw him play in 2 games, but in both be taunted the other team. Namely in the Stanford game where the Stanford CB held Tate, Clausen turned to the Stanford bench and yelled "you can't do that." What a mature individual, somebody I really want being the face of this franchise for years to come.

[D'KanSkinFan]

:beatdeadhorse: quarterback?

How about uping these stats with an O_____ Line

[Hiro]

I think between the two, I'd feel safer with drafting Jimmy Clausen. He and Golden Tate were essentially the team in Notre Dame from what I've read (I will admit I haven't watched much college football outside of Tennessee games) and the fact that he's essentially been prepped for the NFL since day one makes him a very tempting pick.

However, like others have said, I will trust Shanahan and Allen to make the right choice. :cool:

[darrelgreenie]

The thing I notice about Brees San Diego years is that after year 2 he was putting up a lot of points. 27 TDs in 2004 and 24 TDs in 2005 in his 3rd and 4th years as starter.

Like Brees, Campbell struggled his 1st 2 seasons as a starter. But unlike Brees, Campbell didn't put up points in his 3rd year as a starter. Only 13 TDs in year 3. Campbell did have 20 TD's in year 4, though. Better, but still well below Brees 24 in year 4.

Brees was named 2004 NFL Comeback Player of the Year and was named to the Pro Bowl following the 2004 season. He was also named 1st alternate to the Pro Bowl following the 2005 season and would have played given Carson Palmer's injury, but his own injury (shoulder) caused him to miss the game.

Campbell hasn't sniffed a Pro Bowl, let alone the 2 Brees was selected to by the time he had finished his 4th season as a starter.

Brees had proven himself after year 4. The Chargers just couldn't afford to keep him after drafting another QB so high. Campbell, not so much.

I already know you're gonna call this an excuse or somehow try diminish its importance but, Brees was in then same system his entire time in San Diego. The only change was from 2001 to 2002 in Brees rookie year when they went from Norv to Cam Cameron but Brees only threw 27 passes that season. From 2002 until he left for the Saints he was in the same offense with a established OC/playcaller in Cam Cameron.

There is a major difference between Brees and Campbell's development process. And we all know what Manning said about having to change systems/offensive coordinators.

[Commander Adama]

somebody I really want being the face of this franchise for years to come.

Quick! Which one of these guys is Jimmy Clausen?

[Passizle]

Wow! I'm surprised that Bradfod is beating out CLausen by this much. I think Clausen is the safer pick... He looks alot like Cutler in his highligh reel.