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Don't know if it reflects negatively on either Bush Sr, or Bush Jr. But I find interesting trivia.

I didn't know Prescot Bush's company was siezed by Roosevelt for violating the trading with the enemies act in 1942.

I'd love to read a book by Bush Sr, about his dealings with Howard Hughes. Bush evidently ran shell corporations which funneled Hughes assets into CIA projects like Glomar, when Howard Hughes was basically a vegitable and mormons/ then FBI agents; were running his empire..

I'd love to hear what went on there. Love to hear how Howard was connected to watergate too.

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

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One of the best books I ever read was called "The house of Bush, the house of Saud".

All about the bush family's dealings with the Saudi's. Amazing stuff in there. I highly recommend it. It will make your stomach queesy though. Some very shady stuff in there. I'm sure you can pick up a copy on amazon or ebay for just a few bucks.

Nothing that family does surprises me.

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From the link:

"While there is no suggestion that Prescott Bush was sympathetic to the Nazi cause, the documents reveal that the firm he worked for, Brown Brothers Harriman (BBH), acted as a US base for the German industrialist, Fritz Thyssen, who helped finance Hitler in the 1930s before falling out with him at the end of the decade. The Guardian has seen evidence that shows Bush was the director of the New York-based Union Banking Corporation (UBC) that represented Thyssen's US interests and he continued to work for the bank after America entered the war."

So Bush worked for a company that dealt with a German that had been supportive of Hitler for a period of time.

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This has no bearing on George Bush or George W. Bush. Period. I don't care that the Kennedy money came from bootlegging, either.

Nor is the story at all clear. Brown Brothers Harriman was the original private investment banker operation in America. They were involved in business deals all over the globe. You could pin them to the pre-WWII Germans, sure. You could also pin them to the pre-WWII English, and the pre-WWII French, and to everyone else. They were a major connection between America and almost every foreign country in the world at that time.

Moreover, some of the partners in BBW were among the most hardworking, patriotic Americans working FOR the US in WWII and after. Look up Averill Harriman or Robert Lovett or others.

So, in sum - non-story and a smear job against the current Bushes. Fail.

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Joe Kennedy had more extensive ties to the Nazis than Prescott Bush did.

Actually, claims that Kennedy had ties to the Nazis are pretty damn weak too. Kennedy was a believer in appeasement of the Nazis, which was wrong and stupid, and was also antisemitic in private, which was horrible, but both of those things were pretty damn common back then. Once the war stated, he did not think we should be helping Britain because he thought Britain was doomed and America had to look out for itself.

None of this is close to the same thing as having ties to the Nazis.

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Actually, claims that Kennedy had ties to the Nazis are pretty damn weak too. Kennedy was a believer in appeasement of the Nazis, which was wrong and stupid, and was also antisemitic in private, which was horrible, but both of those things were pretty damn common back then. Once the war stated, he did not think we should be helping Britain because he thought Britain was doomed and America had to look out for itself.

None of this is close to the same thing as having ties to the Nazis.

And yet I keep remembering a book I'd read long ago. A Man Called Intrepid is the biography of the man in charge of MI6 during WW2.

One part of that book involved Intrepid setting up covert communications between England, and Churchill (then a shrill minority member of Parliment, warning about wars when England didn't want to hear about wars), and Roosevelt (who was prohibited from establishing overt ties with England by neutrality laws passed to prevent America from once again being pulled into Europe's problems.)

And one thing the book mentions was that their new Enigma machine had intercepted a communication from Hitler's ambassador to London, informing Hitler that Kennedy (then the US ambassador to London) had agreed that he would keep the US out of the war, in excahnge for a promise that Kennedy's company would receive exclusive rights to export whiskey from Scotland and Ireland after Hitler conquered them.

Now, I'll admit to being dubious about it. Because I can't possibly believe that if it were true, that nobody would have used it as a political smear against the political Kennedy's.

But I'm absolutely certain that I read it.

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There is a part of me that has wondered if Bush's alliegance to Israel is in some way related to this. He was a very strong, sometimes unreasonably strong ally to Israel. Perhaps, this was partly inspired by familial guilt.

Which wouldn't necessarily imply anything in particular to be guilty about.

I wouldn't be surprised if, for example, the children of those colonists who advocated remaining with England may have been more nationalistic than their counterparts, for example.

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And one thing the book mentions was that their new Enigma machine had intercepted a communication from Hitler's ambassador to London, informing Hitler that Kennedy (then the US ambassador to London) had agreed that he would keep the US out of the war, in excahnge for a promise that Kennedy's company would receive exclusive rights to export whiskey from Scotland and Ireland after Hitler conquered them.

Now, I'll admit to being dubious about it. Because I can't possibly believe that if it were true, that nobody would have used it as a political smear against the political Kennedy's.

But I'm absolutely certain that I read it.

Well, as I understand it, "A Man Called Intrepid" is a great read but is generally viewed as historical fiction by serious WWII historians. A great number of the book's claims have been debunked. Apparently, the author interviewed Sir William Stephenson when he was in his late 80s, and took every reminiscence or speculation the old man made at face value.

Here's the first page from an article about it from the Journal of Contemporary History. 'This book... is, from start to finish, utterly worthless' ... an 'egregious publication' concocted after 'listening mindlessly to octagenarain reminiscences' full of 'grotesque claims."

http://www.jstor.org/pss/260934

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Well, as I understand it, "A Man Called Intrepid" is a great read but is generally viewed as historical fiction by serious WWII historians. A great number of the book's claims have been debunked. Apparently, the author interviewed Sir William Stephenson when he was in his late 80s, and took every reminiscence or speculation the old man made at face value.

Here's the first page from an article about it from the Journal of Contemporary History. 'This book... is, from start to finish, utterly worthless' ... an 'egregious publication' concocted after 'listening mindlessly to octagenarain reminiscences' full of 'grotesque claims."

http://www.jstor.org/pss/260934

Freely admitting that the reason I read it was because it was a book about Ian Flemming's boss, and I thought it would have nifty James Bond stuff in it. :)

(Only James Bond thing in it was the story that England had discovered some Japanese spies in, I believe, the RCA building in NYC, who were cracking American codes. The British supposedly killed them by sniper fire from a nearby skyscraper: One shot to shatter the window and a second shot moments later to kill the spy. According to Intrepid, it was Intrepid (Stephenson) who performed that mission. In one of the Bond books (Living Daylights?), Bond says that that mission was one of the two "kills" that he had to perform to become a double oh.)

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Prescott Bush was the one who convinced Churchill to let the Germans bomb Coventry to keep the secret that they had cracked the Enigma code. The pilot in the lead plane to bomb Coventy? Prescott Bush. His wingman was of course Joe Kennedy.

Now excuse me, I have a wikipedia page to edit. ;)

heheheheh awesome

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Are you saying that Grandpa Bush reached out to a Progressive err Liberal err Left Wing Fanatic??

Socialists, Liberals, Communists and other radical left wing types (Mao and Stalin come to mind) thru history have had moderates embracing their policies, but their knack of exterminating millions and strong arming survivors did hurt their message. :rolleyes:

Should we also talk about how liberals or is it progressives from the 1970's to the present helped prevent tens of millions potential Americans from living under the guise of reporductive health??

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