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shemp nixon

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Haynesworth is not going to play nose tackle or defensive end in the 3-4 where the linebackers are the playmakers and the DL are space eaters.

The Redskins also don't have a set of linebackers that are a fit for that alignment.

Orakpo doesn't belong at OLB to begin with.

McIntosh is 229 and much too light to play in the 3-4.

Fletcher has been a middle backer in the 4-3 for his entire 11 year career.

There's your starters :)

McIntosh said he was up over 240 this year, and that he felt good with the added weight...He has the size to play the weak side MLB in a 3-4.

If Shanahan wants to get off the ground running the best way to do that is NOT to deconstruct the defense and attempt to build a better mousetrap.

There is too much to do on offense.

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VRIEL1

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I'll concede one point. Haynesworth might not want to be a NT. Reading up on it he would be required to simply take on tacklers and tie up the line which AH said he didn't like doing in Blache's scheme. So in essence one could conclude he might not like being a NT in a 3-4 but as others have said he might be better suited as a DE to rush the QB. Yes he's big for a DE but he's fast also. Plus powerfull. If you can remember him changing the play on which Blache was pissed at him so that he was the DE and he sacked the QB.

I still say size wise, which everyone started talking about, AH would be of the right size to be a NT. People said AH said he doesn't want to be playing in a 3-4 which he never said. AH wants to be able to attack the QB. Maybe picking up Suh as a NT and using AH as a DE would work. Orakpo or one of the other DE's on the other side.

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No ****!!!!!!!!! I know exactly what the NT does in the 3-4. And d*mn sure doesn't want too play DE, like many fans are barking. If the DC allows him to Haynesworth too attack the QB, it would work.
No, the biggest man plays the NT. Haynesworth would not play DE in the 3-4. Thats ridiculous. Big Al wants too attack. Jay Ratliff, a man that is barely 300lbs, is a dominant NT. So, I know that Haynesworth can.

Not true. NT: Haynesworth, Montgomery(?) DE: Golston, Alexander, Jarmon

The Skins have a lot of upgrading to do, which is why I believe the Skins will be trading players, for picks.

You obviously have NO CLUE what a 3-4 NT does because you keep saying Al would be a good 3-4 NT. You are clueless. He doesn't have to come out and say he doesnt want to run a 3-4 because he already said he wants to play to his strengths and ATTACK not HOLD GAPS. Did he say it directly? No. But he did indirectly when he said he wants to attack.

Your comparison of Ratliff to Haynesworth is pointless. Haynesworth has a much better skill set then Ratliff. Ratliff excells because his strength is a gap eating NT which is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what Al's skill set is.

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I have a question for you guys - if we lose tonight, and Jerry fires Wade, how would you like it if Shanahan hires Wade to be his DC? These men have worked together in Denver before.

I was walking around work saying the same thing to all the Cowboy fans that the Skins would hire Wade as a defensive coordinator if Dallas fires him but now that the Girls have finally won a playoff game I do not see that happening.

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Here's adding some fuel to the fire. If Jeff Fisher is available, I would be inclined to get him.

There were rumors that he might be headed to take Pete Carrol's HC job at USC.

There's no way that Fisher would come here as DC, he'd be snatched up as a HC somewhere else in the NFL in a heartbeat unless of course he goes to USC as HC. No way he comes here though.

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The guy is a damn good DC, he's the best available for the job so I could care less.

What proves this??

His Bengals defense was run over by the one demmensonal Jets..

He was fired as the Falcons DC because they were ranked last in 2007.

His "Dallas Cowboys " defenses were nothing to right home about. They finished 1st and 5th in a seven year period, but were never known for causing turnovers or being dominant.

i've never understood why so many people want Zimmer. He's good but not worth a huge contract. Gray would be fine for less money.

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What proves this??

His Bengals defense was run over by the one demmensonal Jets..

He was fired as the Falcons DC because they were ranked last in 2007.

His "Dallas Cowboys " defenses were nothing to right home about. They finished 1st and 5th in a seven year period, but were never known for causing turnovers or being dominant.

i've never understood why so many people want Zimmer. He's good but not worth a huge contract. Gray would be fine for less money.

I dont get the contract concerns. There is no cap for coaches. Do you really care that Snyder spends more money on coaches? Do you think the amount he spends with in any way affect his approach to free agents??

Id rather have Zimmer than Gray.

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VRIEL1

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All season I kept hearing how we are a 4th ranked defense. I went to NFL.com and found that we were like ranked 10th over all regular during the regular season, Cinci was ranked 4th.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=GAME_STATS&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go

Against the pass Cinci was ranked 6th and we were tied at 8th.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=TEAM_PASSING&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go

Against the rush Cinci was 7th and the Skins were 16th.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?archive=false&conference=null&role=OPP&offensiveStatisticCategory=null&defensiveStatisticCategory=RUSHING&season=2009&seasonType=REG&tabSeq=2&qualified=true&Submit=Go

My main objective was to prove the Skins defense was better and didn't need Zimmer brought over cause we were better. Then I saw the statistics and realized I couldn't argue that. Zimmer might be an improvement and with the talent we have maybe better then what Cinci was.

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VRIEL1

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what about Romeo Crennel he is a superbowl winning DC and we can take him before the Giants get him

Holy Cow. I thought I would simply look at his Bio on Wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romeo_Crennel

and was impressed with his coaching. He difinitly is not HCing material but DC material he is.....

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Romeo Crennel (born June 18, 1947 in Lynchburg, Virginia) is the former head coach of the Cleveland Browns of the National Football League. Before becoming the head coach of the Browns, Crennel won three Super Bowls in four seasons as the defensive coordinator of the New England Patriots. Crennel has participated in six Super Bowls winning five of them during his coaching career.

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VRIEL1

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How about sweet talking Rob Ryan into taking a promotion DC/Asst. HC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Ryan

In 2003, Ryan's squad helped the Patriots defense rank first in the NFL in fewest points allowed 238 while ranking seventh overall in the NFL in total defense. Ryan's unit also contributed to one of the best scoring defenses in franchise history in 2001, as the Patriots allowed just 17 points per game and produced Pro Bowlers Willie McGinest and Tedy Bruschi.

Cleveland Browns head coach Eric Mangini named Ryan as his defensive coordinator on January 14, 2009.

Shanahan should ask the Browns if we could talk with him. I guess the worst they could say is no. right.

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