Which scheme will Shannahanagans use?

[darrelgreenie]

So, the threat of the boot keeps the backside speed guys stay home making it less likely they'd have the angle on a cutback meaning even a back with less speed might pop a pretty long run. In other words, instead of the back having to set up the secondary, if he gets the cutback, there is a good chance that their already set up.

Yep

By the way, any reference to Shanny in goal situations?

He scores.

Other then what I mentioned earlier about Kyle i don't have a feel for Mike/Kyle tendencies in the RZ.

[Darth Tater]

Yep

He scores.

Other then what I mentioned earlier about Kyle i don't have a feel for Mike/Kyle tendencies in the RZ.

You know, the base running play looks very much like a veer option, even the way the boot is set up reminds me of our base passing play when I ran veer in HS. Since Mike came up as a wishbone QB, I wonder if his running philosophy comes from those days.

[Atlass]

So, the threat of the boot keeps the backside speed guys stay home making it less likely they'd have the angle on a cutback meaning even a back with less speed might pop a pretty long run. In other words, instead of the back having to set up the secondary, if he gets the cutback, there is a good chance that their already set up.

By the way, any reference to Shanny in goal situations?

That's pretty much the way it goes. Mike Anderson, Terrell Davis and Rueban Droughns didn't have great speed, but they had great vision and were great cutback runners.

In goal line situations Shanny loves the play action and throwing it to the FB in the flat.

[darrelgreenie]

You know, the base running play looks very much like a veer option, even the way the boot is set up reminds me of our base passing play when I ran veer in HS. Since Mike came up as a wishbone QB, I wonder if his running philosophy comes from those days.

I plan on getting his book this weekend maybe it will be in there?

Do you have anu concerns about our ability to run Kyle's or Mike's offense? (Other then QB)

I'm really concerned about 2 things:

1)

Joe Bugel was one of the best in the business.

Yet for the better part of 2 season he could only get our pass pro to hold up for 3 step drop based routes and couldn't get our running game to click.

How will any other OL coach be able to do better without adding at least 2 starting quality OTs? Which leads to my other question, can we find 2 starting quality OTs?

2)

I wonder how much the success of Kyle's passing game in Houston is linked to the fact that almost every team double teams Andre Johnson?

Are we gonna be able to find enough improvement along the OL to be have the requiste run and pass blocking to implement their schemes?

[SkinsTribeVA]

I wonder how much the success of Kyle's passing game in Houston is linked to the fact that almost every team double teams Andre Johnson?

Are we gonna be able to find enough improvement along the OL to be have the requiste run and pass blocking to implement their schemes?

I can't answer these questions specifically, but I can tell you this:

-Andre Johnson has been with the Texans since 2003.

-Kyle Shanahan was only their OC for the past 2 years.

-Before Kyle they had a mediocre offense at best, even with Andre Johnson, and the two years under Kyle they've been a top 5 offense (see my sig).

Everything I've read/heard about Kyle indicates he knows how to use his playmakers and designs the scheme around the players. That's definitely good for any team rebuilding or with a sub-par offense (and IMO usually the right way to run any football squad).

[Atlass]

I plan on getting his book this weekend maybe it will be in there?

Do you have anu concerns about our ability to run Kyle's or Mike's offense? (Other then QB)

I'm really concerned about 2 things:

1)

Joe Bugel was one of the best in the business.

Yet for the better part of 2 season he could only get our pass pro to hold up for 3 step drop based routes and couldn't get our running game to click.

How will any other OL coach be able to do better without adding at least 2 starting quality OTs? Which leads to my other question, can we find 2 starting quality OTs?

2)

I wonder how much the success of Kyle's passing game in Houston is linked to the fact that almost every team double teams Andre Johnson?

Are we gonna be able to find enough improvement along the OL to be have the requiste run and pass blocking to implement their schemes?

Kyle was on the sidelines of football games his whole life. Even from the age of ten there was nothing else he wanted to do. He will be a great coach on his own someday. Hopefully, in Washington.

[Darth Tater]

I plan on getting his book this weekend maybe it will be in there?

Do you have anu concerns about our ability to run Kyle's or Mike's offense? (Other then QB)

I'm really concerned about 2 things:

1)

Joe Bugel was one of the best in the business.

Yet for the better part of 2 season he could only get our pass pro to hold up for 3 step drop based routes and couldn't get our running game to click.

How will any other OL coach be able to do better without adding at least 2 starting quality OTs? Which leads to my other question, can we find 2 starting quality OTs?

For year 1, this is a big concern for me as I don't think its very likely we find two new tackles significantly better than we got, one maybe although getting rid of the loser mentality may be a big one. Maybe we should get a stop-gap in (by stop-gap I mean a guy whose OK but not a long-term solution and maybe not even one we can count on for 16 weeks). We need to do our best to stay out of "must-throw" situations but still need to throw deep.

2)

I wonder how much the success of Kyle's passing game in Houston is linked to the fact that almost every team double teams Andre Johnson?

Are we gonna be able to find enough improvement along the OL to be have the requiste run and pass blocking to implement their schemes?

I'd agree that we need to be able to force our opponents to stay home. Run-action blocking does tend to be easier than pass-action blocking.

[darrelgreenie]

I can't answer these questions specifically, but I can tell you this:

-Andre Johnson has been with the Texans since 2003.

-Kyle Shanahan was only their OC for the past 2 years.

-Before Kyle they had a mediocre offense at best, even with Andre Johnson, and the two years under Kyle they've been a top 5 offense (see my sig).

Everything I've read/heard about Kyle indicates he knows how to use his playmakers and designs the scheme around the players. That's definitely good for any team rebuilding or with a sub-par offense (and IMO usually the right way to run any football squad).

We agree that Kyle knows how to design an productive offense.

And i understand your point.

But, although AJ was there before Kyle's arrived, Kyle's offense is still built with AJ as the center piece.

My question/worry is how much carry over will there be without a receiver like AJ; a true No.1 receiver that commands a double team.

Another way to view my point is this: would Kyle's offense still be productive with Moss instead of AJ?

Personally i think he's such a creative offensive mind that he would have found a way to make his offensive productive with Moss instead of AJ.

But, it still makes me concerned/curious as how the offense will function with our receivers.

HTTR

[darrelgreenie]

For year 1, this is a big concern for me as I don't think its very likely we find two new tackles significantly better than we got, one maybe although getting rid of the loser mentality may be a big one. Maybe we should get a stop-gap in (by stop-gap I mean a guy whose OK but not a long-term solution and maybe not even one we can count on for 16 weeks). We need to do our best to stay out of "must-throw" situations but still need to throw deep.

Imo if we cannot get 2 starting caliber OT this offseason we will not be able to run Kyle's passing offense the way we saw it in Houston.

It was very heavy in 5 and 7 step drops, we on the other hand were basically forced to abandon 5-7 step drops early in the season.

Imo going into the season knowing that our starting OTs are stop gaps is a mistake. We did that this year with Samuels and Randy Thomas and we suffered the consequences.

Our starting RG is already a question mark and the Center and LG are just a hair above average.

I'm holding out hope that we come out of the draft with at least 2 OTs at least 1 of which can be a day 1 starter.

And even though the FA OL market is thin we might need to spend some money if we can't improve the OL significantly through the draft.

[darrelgreenie]

Texans:

Week 17

http://www.nfl.com/videos/houston-texans/09000d5d81573fc1/WK-17-Matt-Schaub-highlights

Week 16

http://www.nfl.com/videos/houston-texans/09000d5d81549c10/Texans-27-Dolphins-20

Week 15

http://www.nfl.com/videos/houston-texans/09000d5d8151cf1c/WK-15-Matt-Schaub-highlights

[TheItalianStallion]

Uh excuse me but downfield passing is anything but one of Jason's strengths.

1) This was definetely an issue in the past, but after the Denver game, how many of JC's deep balls were NOT well-thrown?

2) Although his deep ball sucked in previous years, he does throw a good intermediate ball.