Rotoworld: Shanahan expected to retain Campbell

[wvtbred]

So a day or so before Vinny gets fired/"resigns", your source told you Shanny was a "done deal"--something that was speculated about by damn near everyone and had been reported weeks before that Shanny had been contacted by Snyder in mid-season about becoming the next coach...but your source did NOT tell you Vinny was being fired? lol...Even if you DO have a source it's a piss-poor one.

Well isn't that sweet I love you too. You can ass-u-me all you what and opinions are like others things everyone has one.

[DMVSkins]

so hes a well respected loser?

and lol at you dragging his college accolades in here. by that standard, ryan leaf was a winner!

:hysterical:

[Heisenberg]

so hes a well respected loser?

and lol at you dragging his college accolades in here. by that standard, ryan leaf was a winner!

Ryan Leaf was a loose cannon with no work ethic. His teammates despised him and was basically black balled from the league.

Great comparison.

[Chicken Fried]

Kill me now.

[SonnyJ]

Um, maybe because he wasn't confident in his receivers? lol...Seriously, JC is on record NUMEROUS times talking about how confident he is in his abilities as a good starting QB...in fact many JC bashers hated that he spoke so confidently and labeled him as delusional for doing so.

I couldn't care less what he says - his actions on the field speak volumes. Campbell does not play like a confident player. You can speculate about his receivers all you want. My speculation is that the dude doesn't trust his own interpretation of defensive coverages.

A guy confident in what he's doing would eventually, given his constant hesitance, be making it clear to his teammates what he expects from them. Instead, we see him getting talked to on the sidelines, both by his teammates and his coaches. We see exasperated receivers out on the field, frustrated by his poor decisions (and not in the diva "I'm always open" sense).

I'm quite certain that, when he views the film, he is confident in what he sees - heck, you or I would probably be, too. But he doesn't translate that to real-time action.

[Hooper]

i only say it because there are basically no other good FA QBs available this offseason. Wouldn't surprise me if one of the teams with a QB uncertainty would say hey, wonder what this guy would do with an actual offensive line and capable receivers.

JC had a decent line before and has shown all the same flaws. In fact, he's shown all the same flaws no matter the scheme or coach. Doesn't read defenses well, doesn't throw accurately after five yards, and waits for receivers to get open instead of anticipating it. Our receivers have never been as bad as their stats -- that would be impossible. They certainly seemed to get open with journeyman Todd Collins under Center.

Speaking of Collins, it wasn't just Williams who told Snyder he should get the nod over JC. It was Gibbs as well. The guy that drafted JC. In fact, the only coach who agreed to flat-out hand the job to JC without an open competition was Zorn. Even Fassel wouldn't. Fassel!

But hey, I'm fine with whatever Shanahan decides. And I bet he tags JC and sees what it happens. If by some miracle a team wants to give up a high pick for him, awesome. If they don't, he comes back and I'll root for him to have a great year.

[da#1skinsfan]

WAY to soon to call this, the coaching staff hasn't even looked at tape yet. I call bull

Agreed. Just another speculative assumption from the media based on what makes the most sense at the time.

[21Knock_U_Out]

stafford started 10 games, won 2 of them. his record was 2-8.

campbell started 16 games, won 4 of them. his record was 4-12.

one is a rookie on one of the worst teams in NFL history.

one is a 4/5 year vet on a team with a SOLID DEFENSE.

except cutler, who had no defense in denver and had a crappy year this season.

and it wasnt the line in chicago with cutler, it was their scheme. and im assuming you saw, their ENTIRE offensive coaching staff was fired yesterday.

:hysterical: You make me ****ing laugh hard!

[MWCREDSKINS]

I feel about Bradford the way I felt about Phillip Rivers and Drew Brees prior to their draft, didn't think they'd be good, well I was wrong and it won't hurt that he'd be coached by Shanahan. But I still think keeping Jason and drafting Russell Okung is the way to go. If Jason is an unrestricted free agent, he will leave

[icbmayday]

Draft OL please MIKE

[titus3]

It sure looks logical to me that Campbell's numbers are going to go UP once he's taking snaps behind an above average Oline and he gets another star receiver or two.

A good running game like the Panthers or the Dolphins have would sure take the pressure off of him too. It would keep the D-coordinators guessing. When you have a full arsenal of weapons on your offense, each player on that offense is going to have more opportunities to make plays. It makes life really hard for the defenses.

It's that same sort of balance that made Auburn such a good team in 2004 when Campbell was the QB with Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams. They went 14-0 like Alabama has this year. Campbell also had future Pro Bowlers on the Auburn Oline in 2004 too like Marcus McNeill (Chargers) and Ben Grubbs (Ravens). His top receiver was Devin Aromashodu who Jay Cutler really likes this year with the Bears. I bet Campbell would think he died and went to heaven he was ever the QB on a team like that again in the NFL.

When you don't have a running game like we do, you would expect the qb to carry the team and Campbell hasn't done that. Consider this, the Colts, Chargers, Texans, and Cardinals have rushed for less yards per game than the Skins and are ranked at the bottom of the league in rushing. Yet, 3 of those teams are in the playoffs and the Texans almost made it in. The obvious difference between our team and theirs offensively is the play of the qb.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

When you don't have a running game like we do, you would expect the qb to carry the team and Campbell hasn't done that. Consider this, the Colts, Chargers, Texans, and Cardinals have rushed for less yards per game than the Skins and are ranked at the bottom of the league in rushing. Yet, 3 of those teams are in the playoffs and the Texans almost made it in. The obvious difference between our team and theirs offensively is the play of the qb.

how do those QBs make plays without a running game? i thought you have to have a good runningback to take the pressure off the QB? oddly enough, the top two teams in the AFC, SD and IND, have the 31st and 32nd rushing attacks in the NFL.

this is a passing league now people. not a smash mouth 1985 league. those days are over.

[Darc Requiem]

How can anyone want us to take a QB at #4? Our offensive line is terrible. Our first pick needs to be a LT. Samuels is done. We need multiple offensive lineman. The most laughable thing I've seen is people that want us to take Sam Bradford at #4. The guy has already proven brittle and you'd want him behind our O-line. I say we keep Campbell, solidify the line and THEN draft a QB. If we draft a QB in the first round in 2010, he's going to be the next David Carr.

[ST is my boy]

I would prefer them not draft Bradford.......seems like a Brennen clone to me.

I would rather an open competition between JC and Brennen.......best man wins.

Then draft a QB when the draft isnt full of sucky QB's

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

How can anyone want us to take a QB at #4? Our offensive line is terrible. Our first pick needs to be a LT. Samuels is done. We need multiple offensive lineman. The most laughable thing I've seen is people that want us to take Sam Bradford at #4. The guy has already proven brittle and you'd want him behind our O-line. I say we keep Campbell, solidify the line and THEN draft a QB. If we draft a QB in the first round in 2010, he's going to be the next David Carr.

or he might just be.....good?

david carr sucks, it wasnt his line. i know two texans fans who used to sing the oline song, then they realized the dude was just terrible, and held the ball way too long. notice how hes sucked everywhere else hes been? thats because.....(drumroll).....he just plain sucks.

[[[ghost]]]

JC isn't going to like that and will throw a hissy fit.

Way to make up something that won't happen, just so you can hate on JC.

You're pathetic.

[OuterBanksTarHeel]

];7194900']Way to make up something that won't happen' date=' just so you can hate on JC.

You're pathetic.[/quote']

Except for the fact that it's already happened before, like last year, you know, when the Skins were interested in Sanchez and JC said he would demand a trade.

Who is making up things? There is already evidence that JC would throw a "hissy fit."

[Jumbo]

Shanahan talkinmg about JC now on 980..more openly positive stufff from Mike so far on JC...but still much the same diplo-speak, honest and good but nothing definitive...will get spun both ways of course..see Allen/980 thread for more detail...JC up next...

[wvtbred]

];7194900']Way to make up something that won't happen' date=' just so you can hate on JC.

You're pathetic.[/quote']

You are blinded/deaf by your homerism. As stated Jason has already thrown my interpretation of a hissy fit.

I am really going to enjoy this time through the draft it's going to be a hell of a ride!

[CM916]

Since you've done it multiple times lately . . .

I'd just like to point out the irony of you using the word "loser" to describe a guy who went undefeated at Auburn and made it to become an NFL quarterback - and has gained the respect of his teammates along with being a model citizen - while you sit there and work your desk job . . .

Campbell's Not-So-Winning Record:

2006: 2-5

2007: 5-7 (his last start is technically a win but Collins scored all the points)

2008: 8-8

2009: 4-12

Overall: 19-32 (0.372)

Add his Auburn record to that and he still sucks.

[mistertim]

You are blinded/deaf by your homerism. As stated Jason has already thrown my interpretation of a hissy fit.

I am really going to enjoy this time through the draft it's going to be a hell of a ride!

If your interpretation of his manager contacting the team to open up discussions of a possible trade after the Cutler and Sanchez fiascos is a "hissy fit" I can't imagine what you would call how Cutler acted when he even got the first whiff of rumors of McDaniels thinking of trading him. I would call Campbell's situation as a guy who is seeing the possible writing on the wall and is getting a bit sick of the situation so he wants to explore possible options.

[cphil006]

This goes against what Peter King just said on PTI... which I don't think a decisions has been made.

In my humble opinion, I think we should offer Campbell the tender...

[wvtbred]

If your interpretation of his manager contacting the team to open up discussions of a possible trade after the Cutler and Sanchez fiascos is a "hissy fit" I can't imagine what you would call how Cutler acted when he even got the first whiff of rumors of McDaniels thinking of trading him. I would call Campbell's situation as a guy who is seeing the possible writing on the wall and is getting a bit sick of the situation so he wants to explore possible options.

I hope he finds a new home then we will both be happy.

[HawaiianTime]

Thank You! If we tender JC a one year, $1M contract we might be able to get another 1st round pick for him. If another team is willing to sign him for more they'd also have to give up their 1st round pick. It's a win-win situation for us-JC for one year at $1M or an extra 1st round pick. I'd be happy with either option. It would be a mistake to let him leave as an UFA and end up signing elswhere with no compensation.

JC would have to have a veteran league minimum. I thought it was $2.5M/yr???

[RBClintonPortis]

I am willing to give Shanny and Allen the benefit of the doubt at this stage.

They and their braintrust know several NFL rosters in depth (especially in the AFC). I would not be surprised to see a trade for (hopefully) the next Farve or Brady stuck on the bench behind someone.

If they can't get him, or he doesn't exist, I expect that as professionals they won't overreach. So, if they believe one of this years QB crop is skilled enough to be turned into a potential top10 NFL QB I think it is NFL-man law that he must be taken. If they judge these guys aren't all THAT I think that they will go with JC.

The scenerio mentioned that I think is unlikely is that they will keep JC on the team to be a back up. Shanny may ideally WANT to, but last year you may recall JC saying he would demand a trade if Cutler came. That plus some lingering love for JC among some players is last thing the new administration needs ... a QB controversy and the ugliness that can come with it. I think if they want a veteran back-up to run things for a bit in the uncapped they will bring in someone like David Carr, Daunte Culpepper, Rex Grossman, or Chad Pennington. Any of whom, if a bit below JC, would not bring the drama JC would and would bring close to the same things to the table.