daveakl Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Since the biggest argument seems to be LT vs. QB I put this together. Would someone like to do Left Tackles? This tell me we should never draft a QB in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, or 7th. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USS Redskins Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 This is a great post. Very telling. Of course, Campbell was a 1st Rounder as well... and he doesnt belong anywhere on this list. Todd Collins was a second rounder? who knew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobbie8046 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Spell check IS your friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 This just proves the draft is a complete crapshoot. We've had 2 1st round QBs over the last 10 years. How many playoff apperances to we have to show for it? None with those 2 guys playing QB. We got there with Brunell and Collins. So a 1st round QB doesn't always mean success. Just like a LT early doesn't always mean success. Robert Gallery anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 Spell check IS your friend. hahahaha, def. ment to do that on the cities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 This just proves the draft is a complete crapshoot. We've had 2 1st round QBs over the last 10 years. How many playoff apperances to we have to show for it? None with those 2 guys playing QB. We got there with Brunell and Collins. So a 1st round QB doesn't always mean success. Just like a LT early doesn't always mean success. Robert Gallery anyone? Very true, but it also tells you that unless you have a 1st or high second round QB a your starter, you prob. are not a playoff team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 This just proves the draft is a complete crapshoot. We've had 2 1st round QBs over the last 10 years. How many playoff apperances to we have to show for it? None with those 2 guys playing QB. We got there with Brunell and Collins. So a 1st round QB doesn't always mean success. Just like a LT early doesn't always mean success. Robert Gallery anyone? Look no farther than Saint Louis to see a team with several very unfortunate #1 picks. And those were all non-QB picks (in fact, on the line.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattFancy Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Very true, but it also tells you that unless you have a 1st or high second round QB a your starter, you prob. are not a playoff team. I agree. I want us to take Bradford in the 1st, but it doesn't mean instant success. Just like it wouldn't be instant success if we took Okung either. Alot of it has to be the situation that the player is going into and if they fit the system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassSkinsFan Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 http://www.extremeskins.com/showthread.php?t=313220 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 We don't have to use this draft to get a QB in the first round. Curious what round those playoff teams' left tackles were drafted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasefan31 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 This is pretty pointless. Basically every round has gone about .500 in playoff games so what's your point? If you're trying to prove that the 1st rounders play in more playoff games, maybe you should compare it to how many first rounders don't make the playoffs every year. I'm guessing a large percentage of starters are first rounders period. Some of the teams that are known for being the weakest franchises recently like the lions, raiders rams etc almost always play a 1st round QB, because they're always trying to draft a new one every couple years and they can't figure out that you have to have a team around them. To prove my theory we should take the superbowl winning QB and switch him with the last place team every off season. That would be interesting. You think Eli Manning or Big Ben win superbowls with the Raiders, Rams, or Redskins? I bet those guys wouldn't look so bad playing with the Colts or Patriots. Look how awesome Matt Cassel was in KC compared to NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveakl Posted January 5, 2010 Author Share Posted January 5, 2010 This is pretty pointless. Basically every round has gone about .500 in playoff games so what's your point? If you're trying to prove that the 1st rounders play in more playoff games, maybe you should compare it to how many first rounders don't make the playoffs every year. I'm guessing a large percentage of starters are first rounders period. Some of the teams that are known for being the weakest franchises recently like the lions, raiders rams etc almost always play a 1st round QB, because they're always trying to draft a new one every couple years and they can't figure out that you have to have a team around them. To prove my theory we should take the superbowl winning QB and switch him with the last place team every off season. That would be interesting. You think Eli Manning or Big Ben win superbowls with the Raiders, Rams, or Redskins? I bet those guys wouldn't look so bad playing with the Colts or Patriots. Look how awesome Matt Cassel was in KC compared to NE. I think the point shows that if you do not have a 1st round or high 2nd round QB then you have a small chance of being a playoff team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MumboSauce Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 If it isn't Brennan I think we certainly need to draft a guy and start grooming him for the future because Jason isn't the answer long term obviously. A trade down scenario where we can get a good Tackle and a QB would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forehead Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Great post, I may try to do the Left Tackles tomorrow if I remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Paint Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 This just proves the draft is a complete crapshoot. We've had 2 1st round QBs over the last 10 years. How many playoff apperances to we have to show for it? None with those 2 guys playing QB. We got there with Brunell and Collins. So a 1st round QB doesn't always mean success. Just like a LT early doesn't always mean success. Robert Gallery anyone? That's because our dumb FO over reached on Ramsey and Campbell. A lot of scouts had them as 2nd and 3rd rounders. I remember the Skins getting questioned when we drafted Ramsey. They said we took him too high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrell Green Fan Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 I think the point shows that if you do not have a 1st round or high 2nd round QB then you have a small chance of being a playoff team. Exactly. Nobody is claiming that a first round QB guarantees success. But it should be obvious by now that middle of the road QBs like Campbell won't get you very far. And face it, the odds of landing a franchise QB in the first round are much higher than trying to get lucky in later rounds. Non believers won't like the stats on OL. I read somewhere (here?) the stats on starting OL of Super Bowl champs and it was stunning. Let's just say that drafting one in the first hasn't been the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightbird Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Good post. Some trends, but yeah no clear indications about how to use your 1st. Going back 20 years or so, just with REDSKINS quarterbacks, we have MADE THE PLAYOFFS with: Doug Williams (1st Round) Jay Schroeder (3rd Round) Mark Rypien (6th Round) Brad Johnson (9th Round) Mark Brunell (5th Round) Todd Collins (2nd Round) A real hodgepodge. Conversely, we drafted Heath Shuler, Pat Ramsey and Jason Campbell in the first and they never led any team to the playoffs. There's just so many factors that go into success in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
War Paint Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Skip Bayless said we should keep a look out for Colt Brennan to become a star in Washington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laron Burgundy Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 To be fair, 12 of the 20 remaining teams have a 1st round qb as well. So a higher percent of teams with a 1st round qb are out of the playoffs than in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
braindx Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 This is pretty pointless. Basically every round has gone about .500 in playoff games so what's your point? If you're trying to prove that the 1st rounders play in more playoff games, maybe you should compare it to how many first rounders don't make the playoffs every year. I'm guessing a large percentage of starters are first rounders period. Some of the teams that are known for being the weakest franchises recently like the lions, raiders rams etc almost always play a 1st round QB, because they're always trying to draft a new one every couple years and they can't figure out that you have to have a team around them. To prove my theory we should take the superbowl winning QB and switch him with the last place team every off season. That would be interesting. You think Eli Manning or Big Ben win superbowls with the Raiders, Rams, or Redskins? I bet those guys wouldn't look so bad playing with the Colts or Patriots. Look how awesome Matt Cassel was in KC compared to NE. Wrong. If you combine all of the teams of the playoffs you get a .500 record just like if you combine all of the teams of the NFL regular season you get a .500 record. For every team that wins a game there is a team that loses a game. First rounders will eventually play themselves and knock each other out thus garnering both a win and loss for each which is a .500 record. Having more games played = advancing further into the playoffs. First rounders have overwhelmingly more games played. Thus, they advance deeper into the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnLockesGhost Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Exactly. Nobody is claiming that a first round QB guarantees success. But it should be obvious by now that middle of the road QBs like Campbell won't get you very far. And face it, the odds of landing a franchise QB in the first round are much higher than trying to get lucky in later rounds.Non believers won't like the stats on OL. I read somewhere (here?) the stats on starting OL of Super Bowl champs and it was stunning. Let's just say that drafting one in the first hasn't been the way to go. Wasn't Campbell a first-rounder too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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