bobzmuda Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Stats are for losers. Plummer > JC. All you had to do is watch each in the huddle. Stats are for losers. But watching body language in-between plays is the key to QB analysis. You're going to go far! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulldog Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 LaVar Arrington was not a particularly insightful player when he was interviewed as a Redskin. Why anyone thought he would be a great addition to the local sports media community is beyond me. The only purpose he seems to serve is to 'poke the bear' - ie dump on Dan Snyder at every opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 They are alike in that neither of them should be the Skins QB next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Stats are for losers. Plummer > JC. All you had to do is watch each in the huddle. Stats are also known as results. Winning is a team effort individual contribution is measured statistically. If you were to argue that wins equate to QB performance you'd have to argue that Trent Dilfer was a great QB... after all the man won a superbowl! Clearly teams can succeed for reasons other than their QB. Jake Plummer was not a good QB. He was one that showed flashes of greatness but never realized his potential in terms of reliable and consistent play. His teams won largely despite average/poor QB play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallsux Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I dont care if Plummer's passer rating is worse than JC. Does that mean he wins more games? NO!! Are you really this ignorant of football? How can people look at one guy & expect that ONE GUY to win everything without the OLine performing, without the rest of the team performing. Winning games is on more then the QB, Dude. There ARE 10 other guys on the field who have to perform as well for the QB to get that 'W'. As I recall, there have been several games where Campbell DID lead this team down the field for a win only to watch it dissipate at the hands of Laron Landry & the defense not doing their jobs with LESS THAN A MINUTE left on the clock. :35 is simply not enough time for MOST QBs in this league that are VERY good to do anything with. And that's with a good team around him. I'm not saying that we don't have good players, but as has been said ad nauseum, the OLine was different personnel almost every game this season. And no matter who you are, that will negatively affect ANY QBs game. Period. If you don't realize that, then you don't understand football. Take the hate glasses off for a minute & look at the WHOLE thing rather then just focusing on 1 guy because you don't like him. I can't believe that there are people who put every win & loss on a QB period, regardless of who he is. That has to be the MOST ignorant argument I have EVER heard. "Forget his stats & that his passer rating is better than this guy, how many wins does he have?" :doh: :doh: :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallsux Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 ....his teams won largely despite average/poor qb play. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madison Redskin Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Stats are for losers. Did a quick little search of your posts and saw that you cited stats on several occasions. Make of that what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flycoach Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Give me a break .. 1067 and lavar so obviously has an agenda against dan snyderi mean he is the owner of the competition... Espn 980... Which is fine, but lets not act like they are fair My thoughts EXACTLY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallsux Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 How many 4th quarter comebacks has Jason lead? How many end of the game heroics has he had. More than you haters think. But as I said, we have seen Campbell move this team down the field in the last few minutes of a game just to watch the defense give the game away. I think if this is your margin for good QBs then there aren't very many good QBs in the League in your mind. I can think of 3 QBs in the League right now that can do what you claim consistently, but many more good QBs. 4th qtr comebacks & last minute heroics should not be what we grade ANY QB on. There is no comparison's except in LaVar's oversized head of his. You are right. There is no comparison. Campbell is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farbod21 Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Double Post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farbod21 Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 2 min to go, you are down by 4 points. Ball on our own 20. Who would you rather have, Campbell or Plummer? Done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallsux Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 jakes a date rapist anyway...and the dumbass is QB coaching at a small highschool in North Idaho. anyway, I was listening to the show and heard Dukes comparing JC's stats to Palmer, not Plummer... Ya know, I was listening to the show for a few minutes & heard that & agreed with them. I was wondering if in between the store & the car they also mentioned Plummer. Thanks for clearing that up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JACKPOTSKINS Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 They both suck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallsux Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 2 min to go, you are down by 4 points. Ball on our own 20. Who would you rather have, Campbell or Plummer?Done. :doh: Only "done" in your mind, not a fact. It's only a bias you & the haters hold to. I would rather have Campbell over NUMEROUS QBs you could mention, INCLUDING Plummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monrovia_Redskin Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Jason Campbell doesn't have time to take a 3-step drop. He's a quiet guy, but he's one of the toughest QB's I have ever seen play. Dead serious there. Toughest Redskins QB since Joe Theisman. Serious about that too. Who's tougher? Rypien? Not putting Rypien down or anything, but the guy was only sacked NINE TIMES in 1991. Not exactly Campbell's situation. JC has started two straight years with something that Cerrato labeled as an offensive line. Peyton Manning himself would probably be on the IR if he happened to play for the Washington Redskins. Jason Campbell never had a real chance in Washington and Lavar is just another woulda coulda shoulda guy(much like JC will be soon). Lavar needs to go to therapy and get over Snyder. What did Snyder burn Lavar's house down? Did I miss something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Excuses Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Plummer was pretty clutch. Jason Campbell just about the last QB in the league I want my team to go down in the last two minutes for a winning drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Plummer displayed an amazing knack for making unbelievably bad decisions throughout his career. His flashes of glory were way overshadowed by his mistakes. Shanahan got him into an afc title game, and he did so largely by giving him Shannon Sharpe as an outlet. I remember Sharpe on drag routes and underneath routes all the time getting passes and turning them into gains. It was as if Shanahan made SS Plummer's guardian angel.. looked to me like he told Jake that when the slightest trouble happened, find Sharpe and throw it to him rather than try and make any other decisions on the fly. Cooley and Davis could provide Jason with that same outlet. I'm not saying either are Hall of Famers like Sharpe WILL be, but they are both exceptional pass catchers, and Shanahan would use that to the utmost effect. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallsux Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Jason Campbell doesn't have time to take a 3-step drop. He's a quiet guy, but he's one of the toughest QB's I have ever seen play. Dead serious there. Toughest Redskins QB since Joe Theisman. Serious about that too. Who's tougher? Rypien? Not putting Rypien down or anything, but the guy was only sacked NINE TIMES in 1991. Not exactly Campbell's situation. JC has started two straight years with something that Cerrato labeled as an offensive line. Peyton Manning himself would probably be on the IR if he happened to play for the Washington Redskins. Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monrovia_Redskin Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Plummer was pretty clutch. Jason Campbell just about the last QB in the league I want my team to go down in the last two minutes for a winning drive. Plummer had a handful of his clutch games against the(YOU GUESSED IT!) Redskins. I'm sure even JC could lead a comeback drive against the Redskins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Plummer never lived up to the hype of being the next Joe Montana and spent most of his career being mediocre. He only went above 20 TDs once and above 60% passing twice. In half his years playing, he had more ints than TDs. If anything, Cutler is like Plummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pray4surf Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Jake was able to turn things around during bad games. JC, not so much. Lavar leapt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Money Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Jake Plummer was called Jake the "snake" because he actually knew how to elude a pass rusher. Campbell's elusiveness comes in his meetings with the press and most often involves how he really feels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdlives Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 I can appreciate that you don't like Arrington or his show, but to call him classless is flat ignorant. So you think its classy to fail to inform your employee's that your restaurant is closing? Or is it the fact that he never paid them for work already completed that is classy? Face it, Lavar has preached from the rooftops how he got cheated by Snyder. He's making a career out of hammering Snyder for cheating him out of money and then he turns around and straight cheats his restaurant staff out of money and a job without telling them. During the holidays, no less. Yeah, real classy guy there. I guess ignorance is bliss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidFan Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 So you think its classy to fail to inform your employee's that your restaurant is closing? Or is it the fact that he never paid them for work already completed that is classy? Face it, Lavar has preached from the rooftops how he got cheated by Snyder. He's making a career out of hammering Snyder for cheating him out of money and then he turns around and straight cheats his restaurant staff out of money and a job without telling them. During the holidays, no less. Yeah, real classy guy there. I guess ignorance is bliss. Pretty much a knockout blow right there. Lavar is pure agenda driven to just bash Snyder period....be nice if he or his agent read his contract before signing it. Also very ironic how he bashed the org for benching Los but NOT benching Landry for 2 double moves..yet when he was bashed for freelancing and not playing his assignments he ****ed to the world. He's the Sean Hannity of radio if Danny is the Democratic Party. Shill, party of one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarheel_Skin Posted January 4, 2010 Share Posted January 4, 2010 Bring in Jake!!!! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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