Of escorts and nightlife -- San Diego -- New video screen at FedEx

[TK]

And TK, if Shanahan is in fact hired, I will be paying tribute to you in my sig.

:munchout:

[33]

:munchout:

Your new avatar already looks much more like a coach than yesterday's.

You didn't have a pic of him looking out the window of Redskins One?

[jbooma]

Bruce Allen is a miracle worker!

hahahahaha

I think Danny realzed the screens suck when he didn't want to look at the play on the field but hope someone else was on the jumbotron and then said to someone these screens suck!!!

Now this is great news "IF" true but will he then raise ticket prices again

[stat2883]

I assure you, I am taking care of this "mayhem" here personally.

I require photographic proof of your endeavors.

[The Sisko]

We will have a new screen next year. It's done fellas.

Wow!! And all it took to make it happen was a 4-12 season, a complete team meltdown, and a fan revolt. And oh yes, a healthy dose of penis envy due to a Texas sized screen going up in Dallass. On second thought, maybe the latter was really the only deciding factor. :evilg:

I have always gotten and stayed quiet when the team sucks because I do not feel good posting when I have nothing but negative stuff to say. Once I realized we were basically doing what we did last year I shut it down.

Interesting. I think I'd be remiss if I didn't point out just how deafening your silence has been over the past few months. I understand your lack of desire to be negative about the on-field issues. However, after it finally became apparent to 100% of people not named Ernie5, Bubba, or Longshot that contrary to you and Norv's assertions, what we do doesn't work, I was a bit surprised that you chose to remain silent about it.

Could it perhaps be the case that your silence might have been due to your inability to swallow your pride, put aside your massive ego and admit an error in judgement? After your many, many, arrogant and often insulting diatribes/responses over the years targeted at those of us that dared, *gasp* question our F.O., it certainly would have been refreshing

Hey, I can understand a bit of occasional arrogance. Heck, I may have even strayed into the same territory myself....once. However where we differ is that when I'm belligerently loud and wrong, I make a point to face the music and fess up. Unless I missed it, (and if I have, my sincere apologies) you've not done so.

So for the record, I'd be really curious to know your current thoughts about a few things. First, what about your previous assessments of Snyderatto and our F.O. structure? Have your previous opinions about the lack of importance of a team identity and long-term strategy changed? Finally, I'm also wondering if you might be willing to take on a little sig bet regarding when/if Cerrato gets hired by another NFL team as their head personnel guy since the last time we discussed it I think you were of the opinion that the only reason he wasn't hired by another team after Marty fired him was the timing, not his incompetence.

[Dan T.]

News of a new Jumbotron deserves its own thread. And

Interesting. I think I'd be remiss if I didn't point out just how deafening your silence has been over the past few months. I understand your lack of desire to be negative about the on-field issues. However, after it finally became apparent to 100% of people not named Ernie5, Bubba, or Longshot that contrary to you and Norv's assertions, what we do doesn't work, I was a bit surprised that you chose to remain silent about it.

Could it perhaps be the case that your silence might have been due to your inability to swallow your pride, put aside your massive ego and admit an error in judgement? After your many, many, arrogant and often insulting diatribes/responses over the years targeted at those of us that dared, *gasp* question our F.O., it certainly would have been refreshing

Hey, I can understand a bit of occasional arrogance. Heck, I may have even strayed into the same territory myself....once. However where we differ is that when I'm belligerently loud and wrong, I make a point to face the music and fess up. Unless I missed it, (and if I have, my sincere apologies) you've not done so.

So for the record, I'd be really curious to know your current thoughts about a few things. First, what about your previous assessments of Snyderatto and our F.O. structure? Have your previous opinions about the lack of importance of a team identity and long-term strategy changed? Finally, I'm also wondering if you might be willing to take on a little sig bet regarding when/if Cerrato gets hired by another NFL team as their head personnel guy since the last time we discussed it I think you were of the opinion that the only reason he wasn't hired by another team after Marty fired him was the timing, not his incompetence.

THAT deserves a

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[GibbsFactor]

Curious about this new screen. Where will it be and how big will it be? Will it just take the place of the current screen/scoreboard?

Danny wouldn't dare remove some seats would he?

Or would it be like Solider field, all up on the top (would think that would be a wind hazard)

[Art]

In evaluating this team I believed, more than anything else, Campbell was MORE of a problem than anything else, from a play perspective. This season showed me a couple of things.

One, Vinny actually did a pretty good job with getting players. For the one small stretch of reasonable football we put together, it was demonstrated the team had ability, in spite of injuries, to compete at a surprisingly high level even with nothing to play for. When good plays were called, even with younger players in, we were playing on a level you could be happy with for a very small portion of the year.

It was a level that had we had earlier, we'd have won a lot of early games.

I came to believe Campbell, while SERIOUSLY flawed and lacking, COULD be utilized in a way a team could win with and that Zorn was clearly unable to grasp that. Some things I heard during that stretch about how Zorn was fighting the changes even as they were working made me realize just how much was on his daft shoulders.

The hiring of Zorn will always be the biggest mistake made by Vinny and Dan. And while I actually believe Vinny is a far better personnel guy when it comes to picking players than he's given credit, I knew some weeks ago that in the current environment and atmosphere he had to go.

You could logically build a case to keep him, just as you can for Campbell, but, while Campbell can be saved because he wins in the question of who's more to blame between he and Zorn, Cerrato and Snyder take the Zorn hit and it's hit enough to compel changes.

The dynamic between the two was good, and it's unlikely the same will exist with Allen. Allen is an interesting guy to have here because of his history. I don't think he's as good evaluating players as Vinny, but I don't believe Vinny was as good leading a personnel department as Allen and that, more than anything else, is necessary here, as most other things have been tried.

Now, if giving Shanny control doesn't work, the next thing we'll be forced to do is give a GM full power of personnel AND ops and see how that goes . I do not avoid confrontation. I never will. I simply had nothing overly positive to say.

I was happy despite injuries some of the younger players started to show some value and that Campbell was clearly better when used more appropriately. I remain unsure why the team tries to use Landry as if he's Taylor, why we use Haynesworth at DE, why we use Orakpo at LB and any number of a million things offensively, but such things will likely exist in all versions of this team.

Interesting. I think I'd be remiss if I didn't point out just how deafening your silence has been over the past few months. I understand your lack of desire to be negative about the on-field issues. However, after it finally became apparent to 100% of people not named Ernie5, Bubba, or Longshot that contrary to you and Norv's assertions, what we do doesn't work, I was a bit surprised that you chose to remain silent about it.

Could it perhaps be the case that your silence might have been due to your inability to swallow your pride, put aside your massive ego and admit an error in judgement? After your many, many, arrogant and often insulting diatribes/responses over the years targeted at those of us that dared, *gasp* question our F.O., it certainly would have been refreshing

Hey, I can understand a bit of occasional arrogance. Heck, I may have even strayed into the same territory myself....once. However where we differ is that when I'm belligerently loud and wrong, I make a point to face the music and fess up. Unless I missed it, (and if I have, my sincere apologies) you've not done so.

So for the record, I'd be really curious to know your current thoughts about a few things. First, what about your previous assessments of Snyderatto and our F.O. structure? Have your previous opinions about the lack of importance of a team identity and long-term strategy changed? Finally, I'm also wondering if you might be willing to take on a little sig bet regarding when/if Cerrato gets hired by another NFL team as their head personnel guy since the last time we discussed it I think you were of the opinion that the only reason he wasn't hired by another team after Marty fired him was the timing, not his incompetence.

[Art]

The new screen is where the current screen is. It'll extend three panels, though there will be ad space around it.

[Mark The Homer]

As you can see, there is plenty of space on both sides for expansion. It was obviously designed for easy expansion. Height will probably stay the same, I'd imagine.

[The Sisko]

In evaluating this team I believed, more than anything else, Campbell was MORE of a problem than anything else, from a play perspective. This season showed me a couple of things.

One, Vinny actually did a pretty good job with getting players. For the one small stretch of reasonable football we put together, it was demonstrated the team had ability, in spite of injuries, to compete at a surprisingly high level even with nothing to play for. When good plays were called, even with younger players in, we were playing on a level you could be happy with for a very small portion of the year.

It was a level that had we had earlier, we'd have won a lot of early games.

I came to believe Campbell, while SERIOUSLY flawed and lacking, COULD be utilized in a way a team could win with and that Zorn was clearly unable to grasp that. Some things I heard during that stretch about how Zorn was fighting the changes even as they were working made me realize just how much was on his daft shoulders.

The hiring of Zorn will always be the biggest mistake made by Vinny and Dan. And while I actually believe Vinny is a far better personnel guy when it comes to picking players than he's given credit, I knew some weeks ago that in the current environment and atmosphere he had to go...

I can agree with some of the above. I think a team can be competitive to a point with JC at QB if he's allowed to do what he does well, and if he's got enough peices around him. It's also good to see you admit that Zorn was a Snyderatto move. Though it sounds obvious, I've seen enough gymnastics by some ES'ers to know that the hire of Zorn could just as easily have been the janitor's fault.

Where I disagree is with your assessment of Vinny. You say he's better at evaluating players than leading a personnel department. I think exactly the opposite is the case. When given responsibility for both of these responsibilities, he proved himself poor at both until he brought in Brown and Campbell, for which I gave him full credit BTW. At that point, his drafting improved markedly for some odd reason. Could it be because he finally had decent scouts and wasn't doing player evaluation himself? Nahh, that couldn't be it.

Unfortunately, even though he was doing a better job at drafting quality players, his enduring inability to understand the concept of assembling a team was ultimately his undoing. Sadly for Vinny, the definition of competence requires that one be able to do all the components of the job. Sadly, Vinny in the F.O. was much like having a surgeon capable of cutting open the patient, yet lacking the knowlege and skill to do anything once inside. No matter how you slice it (pun fully intended) that's a picture of incompetence.

In the final analysis, Vinny needed a decade of futility to finally figure out the importance of linemen to success. Worse, even now he still seems unable and/or unwilling to match coach and players to scheme, build a team rather than plugging in random talent wherever, or figure out exactly how a real NFL F.O. works, among other things. That you refuse to see or admit it is just, well, stubborn and incredibly bull-headed. But then what else would I ever expect of you?

Allen may not be the best pure personnel guy in the NFL. But I'm 99.9999% sure he's better at the key, core concepts I mentioned above than Cerrato is. If we keep Brown and Campbell, and I hope we do, I think the combo of their player evaluation skills with Allen's ability to see the big-picture bodes well for us. Super Bowl? Maybe, maybe not. But at the very least we should be a competitive team year in and year out with him running things. Given what we've endured over the last decade, I can live with that for a while.

[Larry Brown #43]

The new screen is where the current screen is. It'll extend three panels, though there will be ad space around it.

As you can see, there is plenty of space on both sides for expansion. It was obviously designed for easy expansion. Height will probably stay the same, I'd imagine.

But there are currently two small screens that face each other--one behind each end zone. I'm wondering if both are being replaced or just one of them.

[Art]

Mark, the screen is the first three panels with the adds being the final two. Good picture.

Yusuf,

As I told Murphy and even got grudging agreement from Sonny, Cerrato was finding players in the salary cap era for a roster with a highly paid, highly capable, Pro Bowl left tackle. No team in such a situation has another Pro Bowl left tackle sitting there waiting to go.

Samuels was obviously critical to the success of our line. Getting injured drastically weakened our ability and put severe cramps in what we could do as a team. There is no way to blame Cerrato for no having another Top 5 player at the same spot where the other Top 5 player suffered a likely career ending injury.

Dockery has actually played quite well this year. Rabach remains a mystery to me. So many here think he's average. I think he's garbage. I think he, more than anything else, is why we have a line that can not overcome injury next to him. He NEVER had to help Dockery out, but we were constantly beaten where he and our other replacement could double. It was very frustrating.

That said, even if Samuels and Thomas stayed healthy this year, while our line would have been better, the game planning of Zorn was so abysmal it would not have mattered. We'd still have been horrible until something changed. It's no small amazement to me we played as well as we did injured against the toughest part of our schedule and so poorly while somewhat healthy against the weakest.

I would not be at all surprised if Vinny is rehired here by Allen, because Vinny is well thought of as a guy who works on evaluating talent by MORE people than you may believe. Vinny may be our version of Dave Campo. The guy who just fits with an organization because of a positive relationship with an owner and he may lack the ego to find it troubling to step behind someone else.

We'll know for sure after the next coach is hired.

[hail2skins]

But there are currently two small screens that face each other--one behind each end zone. I'm wondering if both are being replaced or just one of them.

I'd have to think both end zones would have identical big screens. It would be cheesy to not do so.

[Mania]

They should have put it in prior to the Zorn years. The reason is it will probably cause more obstructed view seats and not being able to see the field over the past two seasons would have been a plus.

[themurf]

But there are currently two small screens that face each other--one behind each end zone. I'm wondering if both are being replaced or just one of them.

The way it was explained to Art and I this weekend is basically the three middle panels will be converted to a 100-foot long video screen. Look at the photo posted above by Mark the Homer and you can see that there is still room on either side for the necessary ads. It should be noted that we're only discussing the boards in the endzone. Doesn't sound like anything else will change. It was also explained that this will be larger than the current setup, so some seats will have to go to make room for this new board.

Does that help to clarify things for the class?

[RememberOsaka]

Does that help to clarify things for the class?

yeah yeah..thanks murf and mark the homer...now can we get back to talk of escorts...

[Mark The Homer]

Mark, the screen is the first three panels with the adds being the final two. Good picture....

Okay So

Panel 1 Budweiser ad will be new screen.

Panel 2 old screen will be new screen.

Panel 3 FedEx/Smirnoff ad will be new screen

Panel 4 Old (1971-Atari-pong-like) scoreboard - seems a shame to me to not leave this as a scoreboard but Art claims this will be ad space. Maybe it'll toggle as ad space and a scoreboard?

Panel 5 Sprint Ad will remain ad space.

...if I understand this right...

Edit: okay Murf just threw a monkey wrench into my understanding. Well, whatever - it'll be three panels of video - 3x more than we had ...

Murf's explanation makes more sense since it's centered.

[Mania]

I would not be at all surprised if Vinny is rehired here by Allen,

bite your toungue, then rinse you mouth out with soap Art. BTW, Rabach is a very intelligent, aging Center who never gets injured and should stay on the team because we have other holes that need to be filled at the moment.

Yes, I agree in due time he will need to be replaced, but he had good years when there was stability next to him. We had 8 RG start next to him this season.

[HOF44]

Okay So

Panel 1 Budweiser ad will be new screen.

Panel 2 old screen will be new screen.

Panel 3 FedEx/Smirnoff ad will be new screen

Panel 4 Old (1971-Atari-pong-like) scoreboard - seems a shame to me to not leave this as a scoreboard but Art claims this will be ad space. Maybe it'll toggle as ad space and a scoreboard?

Panel 5 Sprint Ad will remain ad space.

...if I understand this right...

Edit: okay Murf just threw a monkey wrench into my understanding. Well, whatever - it'll be three panels of video - 3x more than we had ...

Seems like they would make the middle 3 panels the screen with 1 ad panel on each side. Would be better balanced.

[mcees4life]

the key question is would the new jumbotrons be HD?

[Larry Brown #43]

The way it was explained to Art and I this weekend is basically the three middle panels will be converted to a 100-foot long video screen. Look at the photo posted above by Mark the Homer and you can see that there is still room on either side for the necessary ads. It should be noted that we're only discussing the boards in the endzone. Doesn't sound like anything else will change. It was also explained that this will be larger than the current setup, so some seats will have to go to make room for this new board.

Does that help to clarify things for the class?

Thanks...however that photo only shows the panels behind ONE of the end zones. Out of view of this photo, but above the end zone in the foreground, currently sits another set of identical video panels.

My only confusion was whether this new video configuration would be happening above BOTH end zones or just one. It seems to me it would be weird to only put it above ONE end zone and not the other, but since it's been described as "a" new video board, maybe that is the case.

Hopefully they'll put one above each end zone, as is the case in most stadiums. Thanks for the info either way.

[Mark The Homer]

I would be willing to bet double to nothing it'll be in both endzones.

[NewCliche21]

bite your toungue, then rinse you mouth out with soap Art. BTW, Rabach is a very intelligent, aging Center who never gets injured and should stay on the team because we have other holes that need to be filled at the moment.

Yes, I agree in due time he will need to be replaced, but he had good years when there was stability next to him. We had 8 RG start next to him this season.

1) Rabach sucks and has been a weak link among weak links for years.

2) I don't have anymore to say on that post.

[themurf]

Thanks...however that photo only shows the panels behind ONE of the end zones. Out of view of this photo, but above the end zone in the foreground, currently sits another set of identical video panels.

My only confusion was whether this new video configuration would be happening above BOTH end zones or just one. It seems to me it would be weird to only put it above ONE end zone and not the other, but since it's been described as "a" new video board, maybe that is the case.

Hopefully they'll put one above each end zone, as is the case in most stadiums. Thanks for the info either way.

As it was explained to us, both endzones will get the makeover. The ribbon down the sides of the field (or whatever they're called) will stay the same due to contractual obligations.