hail2skins Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 The threads created today talking about Shanahan's record, the possibility of John Fox (if he were by chance got fired), and the chart shown on NBC talking about Fox being one of the coaches with the longest longevity with a team without back-to-back winning seasons got me to thinking. While their teams, as well as Gruden's Bucs, were not on the level of the Pats, Colts, Steelers, and Eagles as far as winning, one can make the case that each team might fall into the category of having "moderate success" in the past eight seasons or so. The records of each since 2002: Gruden (took over a team built by Dungy but had usually suffered early playoff exits): 2002: 12-4 won SB 2003: 7-9 2004: 5-11 2005: 11-5 lost in WC round 2006: 4-12 2007: 9-7 lost in WC round 2008: 9-7 Fox (took over a 1-15 team): 2002: 7-9 2003: 11-5 lost in SB 2004: 7-9 2005: 11-5 lost in NFCCG 2006: 8-8 2007: 7-9 2008: 12-4 lost in div round (2009): will be at best 8-8 Shanahan (incumbent, was 8-8 in 2001): 2002: 9-7 2003: 10-6 lost in WC round 2004: 10-6 lost in WC round 2005: 13-3 lost in AFCCG 2006: 9-7 2007: 7-9 2008: 8-8 In this thread I'm not trying to guess on who would potentially replace Zorn but simply to ask, which team's overall performance between 2002-2008 would you be most satisfied with. I'm guessing many people would pick Gruden based on the SB win, but I was just curious as to what folks thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubble Screen Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Dude we're not ever going after Fox as a head coach. He's horrible. He's never had back to back winning seasons with Carolina. He has no business in the same sentence with those other two guys. Sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hail2skins Posted December 21, 2009 Author Share Posted December 21, 2009 Didn't imply that we were......sheesh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabee1973 Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Dude we're not ever going after Fox as a head coach. He's horrible. He's never had back to back winning seasons with Carolina. He has no business in the same sentence with those other two guys. Sheesh. either have we the same time frame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
33 Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Interesting that only Gruden has been in top 5 pick range out of the three of them. I would have thought Fox had worse than a 7 win season at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seabee1973 Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Interesting that only Gruden has been in top 5 pick range out of the three of them. I would have thought Fox had worse than a 7 win season at some point. nope but a couple of those season they went on huge runs to get to 7-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jflow78 Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 From the looks of that, I'd still go with Shanahan. He had one losing season (7-9) and most of the time didn't have a great QB or defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff in D.C. Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Shanny & Chucky are about even imo, but no way Fox should be compared to them. Shanny got to the playoffs with a Brian Griese & Gus Frerotte combo at QB, and went 13-3 one year with Jake Plummer and knocked off the Pats in the playoffs when at the time the Pats were going for a three-peat. I don't understand the negative attitude towards him from several Skins fans in recent weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enter Apotheosis Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Shanahan and Gruden are both offensive minds. Shanahan had a top 10 offense five times between '02 and '08. Gruden had one top 10 offense during the same period and was in the bottom half of the league more often than not. John Fox is a defensive mind and fielded four top 10 defenses. At the very least, Shanahan and Fox can manage their own scheme relatively well. Gruden could hardly even manage that as his offense was abysmal after year two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubble Screen Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 either have we the same time frame EXACTLY! That's why we have no use for the guy. Trust me, getting Fox would be a lateral move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Probos Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 I still want Gruden, but that doesn't look like it's gonna happen. Why are we talking about John Fox? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TankRizzo Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Dude we're not ever going after Fox as a head coach. He's horrible. He's never had back to back winning seasons with Carolina. He has no business in the same sentence with those other two guys. Sheesh. He'd make one hell of a D-coordinator though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkskin Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 I'm not sure why people are that excited about any of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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