33 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Are we just trying to bring in as many redskins related names as possible Tomorrow is Heath Shuler, Michael Westbrook, and Desmond Howard day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_e_b Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 I certainly hope this isn't the case. Doug Williams is the only Redskins player, past or present, that I can't stand. He's just such an unlikable guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitmandm Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 We don't want TB castoffs. Thats almost as bad as hiring Millen to be your GM. If he likes JC it already means he doesnt know talent. Simply this will help mitigate and Rooney Rule signing of Shanahan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Being a Redskin QB superbowl winner is probably what got Doug in Bruce's door in the first place. That's why they're linked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hitmandm Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Gruden was a headcase and nobody should want him. He ruined the QB situation for years there. They got unlucky with Cadillac. But like I said, Allen drafted THREE Pro Bowl offensive linemen, with a few solid starters sprinkled in. And they suck because they didnt draft a Pro Bowl QB. Perfect example of how you can draft 3 Pro Bowl OL and not have a QB and it doesnt do you any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jofizz Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Super Bowl win not withstanding, I don't think I'd refer to Williams as a Redskins icon. Um, then what makes players legends? Superbowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Simply this will help mitigate and Rooney Rule signing of Shanahan. Swing & a miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madpatty.com Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 And they suck because they didnt draft a Pro Bowl QB. Perfect example of how you can draft 3 Pro Bowl OL and not have a QB and it doesnt do you any good. Well in fact the only years that Tampa Bay, under Allen, was in a position like ours (poor record, high draft pick) were 2005 and 2007. During those drafts such greats as these were available. 2005: Alex Smith, Aaron Rogers (could have been a good choice for them), Jason Campbell, Charlie Frye 2007: Jamarcus Russel, Brady Quinn, Trent Edwards, Tyler Thigpen. So excuse Mr. Allen for passing up those chumps for great linemen. The Buc's issues go deeper than just not having a Probowl QB. In fact, the Buc's haven't had even a serviceable QB since Brad Johnson. If anything, the only lesson the Buc's and Allen's past history should teach us is that you should retain serviceable-good quarterbacks (Jason Campbell) so that when you do have a great line you can get good play out of your QB. It also wouldn't hurt to get some lineman so that the 'Skins could get their running game back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Not sure how I feel about this. I love the legend of Williams, but I don't know how strong he is as a personell guy. I think if I recall he wasn't a bad coach at the college level, but has he been a good scout? Does he have an eye for talent? That's the first thing that I thought of, too. What qualifies Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DallasSucks19922010 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 I love how Doug Williams talks about himself in the third person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riggo-toni Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 The Bucs are the worst team in the NFL, and this is whom we're poaching from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncr2h Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Hey, great idea.Let's reassemble the front office structure of Tampa Bay! Is there a better team in the league to raid than one that made the playoffs (for one and done games no less) twice since their Super Bowl set up in 2002? Tampa's not that talented of a team. They rode the defenses of Monte Kiffin and knew how to draft and sign FAs to fit his Cover 2 scheme, and Gruden and company were able to bring in random guys who were about on par with what Vinny has brought in here the past couple of years- in other words average, but nothing great. And in both of their playoff losses, they were outmatched by NFC East teams. There's nothing about that formula that sounds like a good idea to try in Washington. And people actually want to bring in Jon Gruden as the HC on top of it all. Talk about aiming for a low ceiling. I agree with this post. Can we at least raid a good team? The Bucs have been dying a long, ugly death ever since they won the Super Bowl. Allen and (I think) Williams presided over that decline. I didn't like the Allen hire, but I can live with it if we're going to pair him up with someone who has a reputation for quality. A scout from the Bucs isn't exactly someone who inspires confidence in me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartacus87 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 I agree with this post. Can we at least raid a good team? The Bucs have been dying a long, ugly death ever since they won the Super Bowl. Allen and (I think) Williams presided over that decline. I didn't like the Allen hire, but I can live with it if we're going to pair him up with someone who has a reputation for quality. A scout from the Bucs isn't exactly someone who inspires confidence in me. Allen was the GM for the Bucs, but Gruden was the one calling most of the shots in terms of personnel moves. Williams didn't come into the picture in Tampa until 2004, when he worked in the scouting department, and was promoted to Director of Pro Personnel starting this season. He's not listed as doing anything notable except playing a role in the decision to re-sign Michael Clayton before this season, and he helped scout and bring in Antonio Bryant a couple years ago. Clayton's a bum who only had a great rookie year a few years ago, but Bryant's been pretty decent for Tampa. So Williams doesn't have a real lengthy track record to judge him fully on yet. The Bucs are currently 1-12 though, so that doesn't look too good for Williams' case. All in all, the idea of Williams coming here doesn't seem like that great of a personnel move compared to other guys probably available. It's great that he was a Superbowl MVP for us two decades ago, but I think the Skins can do better here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost of Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 I'd much rather have Eric DeCosta or Bobby DuPaul, but I believe this would be a lateral move for both of them if they were Director of Player Personnel with the Skins, therefor the Ravens and Bears could block the move. I'd rather promote Campbell or Brown, frankly. From what I've heard about Doug, he's not exactly the best dude, even though he's a Skins icon (and not an affable, decent jerk like Theismann.) Also, I think Campbell or Brown may know more about what they are actually doing. BTW, do we KNOW that D. Williams likes Campbell? And let's put aside the pro/anti-Campbell stuff for a moment (even I've been open to him returning while we groom a QB with a higher ceiling) --if Williams likes him--WHY does he like him? Or are people presuming this because Williams is black and wore the #17 for the Redskins (which would something of a vile notion, if true.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Skinhead in Saints Land Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 So if Allen brings in Williams would Allen handle the contract negotiations and cap management (in capped years) and DW handle free agents and make the draft picks? Or is it the other way around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArmchairRedskin Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Wouldn't Tampa be able to block the move since it would just be lateral? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OU_skins Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Maybe Doug Williams will be interviewed to satisfy the Rooney Rule. ... thats all. :hysterical: Has anyone figured out who the Rooney interview was for the GM position? Jerry Gray? Greg Blache? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 So, lets see here, Allen as GM, Williams as personnel dude, Shanny as HC, and Shanny Jr. as OC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MustangSteve Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 This could mean JC stays.He should get another year, who is better that is available? Jason has made a complete turn around since he started to air this football out again. This team has shown they can be deadly when they go after defenses as they have the last few weeks. Joe Montana saif this WCO took him 3 years to really learn and master it, but when he finaly got it down, the entire offense took a huge step to the next level, that being the level of a world champion. The only way to know and prove that Jason has or even can reach that next level is to beat our division rivals these next 2 weeks at home against NY snd Dallas, and to finish off those 2 minute drives that will give us the victory that will incluse us among the NFL's elite teams. Lets see how he does these next 2 weeks, and may Rak destroy Eli and Rono! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsFTW Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 yea, and Jim Fassel gave the "ghost" OK to hire Jim Zorn as Offensive Coordinator... Ah ****, does that mean that Allen will be our new Head Coach if everybody else refuses Snyder's truck full of cash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 On the surface, if we were to hijack a former Redskin for the FO, I think I'd go after Martin Mayhew. Unfortunately, I don't think he's gettable. Then again, it's really hard to know whether a scout/gm is good or not. Too much goes into it that we don't see. To take an easy example, look at Atlanta the year after Vick left. The team was abysmal. One year later with a new coach and a rookie qb they almost went the whole way. So, the question is... are the Bucs extremely untalented or is their coaching that bad right now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MartinC Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Wouldn't Tampa be able to block the move since it would just be lateral? I read Williams contract is up at the end of this season. Not 100% sure if that's correct but it would mean he is a essentially able to walk if he wants. I have no idea if he is a good personnel guy or not but we should not be bringing him in just because he was QB on a Super Bowl team here. If he stands on his abilities as a front office guy fine. I have read good things about Campbell and Brown in our current structure. Why not promote from within is my feeling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted December 19, 2009 Author Share Posted December 19, 2009 BTW, do we KNOW that D. Williams likes Campbell? And let's put aside the pro/anti-Campbell stuff for a moment (even I've been open to him returning while we groom a QB with a higher ceiling) --if Williams likes him--WHY does he like him?Or are people presuming this because Williams is black and wore the #17 for the Redskins (which would something of a vile notion, if true.) http://www.redskins.com/gen/players/Jason_Campbell.jsp He wears the jersey number 17 in honor of one of his mentors--former Redskins Super Bowl MVP quarterback Doug Williams. http://www.trackemtigers.com/2009/4/24/850773/campbell-and-brown-are-at-the Former Redskins quarterback and current Buccaneers director of player personnel Doug Williams is a huge Campbell fan and believes he fits nicely into the new Tampa Bay offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HigSkin Posted December 19, 2009 Author Share Posted December 19, 2009 Wouldn't Tampa be able to block the move since it would just be lateral? His contract with Tampa is expiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
da#1skinsfan Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 What has Doug done in Tampa? What amazing personnel moves has he made? Maybe going through 12 QBs and still not finding a starter? Or the same for WR? Not interested, no thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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