jfriedenthal Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Honestly... there are a lot of good, not great QB's in this draft, and I don't think there is a huge difference between the high end and the low. I say we see what's available in the second round, and grab that one (since there isn't a HUGE difference in skill). In the first round, the Tackles available are MUCH better than the dropoff from the top tier to next tier (which is still good). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarrellsMyHero28 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 It depends a lot on which players we still have and what are need positions are. I would really like to get Eric Berry or Taylor Mays because I'm sick of LaRon sucking it up in the secondary. I have also heard from some College analysts that Berry can and would be willing to play cornerback and seeing as how Smoot or Rogers probably won't be back next year that would be a smart pick. Just say no to Taylor Mays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 It depends a lot on which players we still have and what are need positions are. I would really like to get Eric Berry or Taylor Mays because I'm sick of LaRon sucking it up in the secondary. I have also heard from some College analysts that Berry can and would be willing to play cornerback and seeing as how Smoot or Rogers probably won't be back next year that would be a smart pick. Mays at FS would be a disaster....he has no ball skills and would be worse than Landry (who isn't nearly as bad as people are making him out to be).... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Just say no to Taylor Mays. Mays at FS would be a disaster....he has no ball skills and would be worse than Landry (who isn't nearly as bad as people are making him out to be).... Just say no to a safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polywog999 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I love trading down. So do the patriots, evidently... http://wbztv.com/sports/patriots.draft.picks.2.995294.html The Patriots were one of the most active teams on the first day of the draft Saturday, ultimately trading out of the first round completely but taking four players in the second round: safety Patrick Chung from Oregon, with a pick obtained from Kansas City in the Matt Cassel trade; defensive lineman Ron Brace, a Springfield, Mass., native from Boston College; cornerback Darius Butler from Connecticut; and offensive lineman Sebastian Vollmer from Houston.The Patriots emerged well-stocked for the 2010 draft with 10 picks, three in the second round. Picks 1-5 to me are fools gold. For every Peyton Manning, there are ten Ryan Leafs! http://www.thefootballexpert.com/toptenallqbbusts080001.html 3. Heath Shuler NFL Stats: 15 TD, 33 INT, 3,691 yards, 54.3 QB Rating Drafted number three overall by the Washington Redskins in 1994, perhaps if he hadn’t been selected by a team in Washington DC we’d have one less slimy politician on the streets. Either way he’d better hope he is a better congressman than he was a pro QB, because he sucked from day one. After a holdout, he received a huge contract and responded by sucking for the next couple years and retired with an interception total that more than doubled his career TD mark. 2. Akili Smith NFL Stats: 5 TD, 13 INT, 2,212 yards, 52.8 QB Rating The first true “Workout Warrior”, Smith’s performance off the field in various pre draft workouts led to him being selected number three overall by the Bengals after only 11 starts in college. Smith held out for 27 days and ended up starting only 17 games in four years with the Bengals before being released. 1. Ryan Leaf NFL Stats: 14 TD, 36 INT, 3,666 yards, 50.0 QB Rating Ryan Leaf must hate the weekend of the NFL Draft because I’m sure he gets about a million interview requests from all the major networks for a “Where are they now?” type segment. Sadly, he probably still flips out on them like that poor writer in the Chargers locker room during the most memorable of several of his video recorded tirades. Perhaps if he would have borrowed Biff’s line from Back to the Future instead of freaking out (“Make like a tree, and Leaf-ve!”) he would have been a better NFL QB. He sure couldn’t have been any worse. The early picks are seriously lacking in value. Most of the time, even though it isn't 'sexy,' It's better to trade down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff_K Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 trade out, get linemen .. get LOTS of them and hope we get 2 keepers. get a QB next time if noone pans out in 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiscoBob Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 If you can get good value, try to turn our #1 into as many 1st - 3rd round picks in 2010 and 2011 as possible. All things being equal, shoot for high 2nd round picks where the value is the highest (potential / $). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polywog999 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 trade out, get linemen .. get LOTS of them and hope we get 2 keepers. get a QB next time if noone pans out in 2010. Yes, QB next year. Keep Jason as a back up that can actually start if you need him to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I love trading down. So do the patriots, evidently...http://wbztv.com/sports/patriots.draft.picks.2.995294.html Picks 1-5 to me are fools gold. For every Peyton Manning, there are ten Ryan Leafs! http://www.thefootballexpert.com/toptenallqbbusts080001.html The early picks are seriously lacking in value. Most of the time, even though it isn't 'sexy,' It's better to trade down. Conversely, the best quarterbacks are taken in the first round, and very high in the first round. There are busts at every position, but the best are consistently at the top of the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boofMcboof Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Trading out of the first is a great idea if we had a competent front office with some foresight into how to best parlay it. But that requires fleshing out the roster with multiple years in mind, not foolishly sinking all your hopes into one offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadslayer Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Everybody knows what we SHOULD do! As long as Snyder is the owner of this team, he will dictate what we do with that first pick. We all know that he will take a QB, and will probably trade up not down to get one. Maybe a thread title would be "what qb is Snyder going to take as the first pick in the draft?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMonkey Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Considering how many holes there are to fill, trading down would a great idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RypienUmApart Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 If we trade picks it won't be until draft day. Player trades for picks could be possible. Landry, Cooley, etc. could pack alot of value...don't want to trade Cooley but if Davis keeps progressing Cooley would give us the most in a trade. Portis and Betts will probably be gone after this season. Both will be released...Portis has little if no value now after this season. Rabach, Rogers, Griffin, Samuels, Daniels, Smoot probably won't be back in 2010. Replace them with picks, free agents, and younger guys on the roster. Using what we have now I think it looks like this (assuming Brennan or someone else gets a chance to start): 1st round pick on T Okung if available or T Trent Williams 2nd round pick on C Matt Tennant 4th round pick on RB Charles Scott 5th round pick on CB Chris Hawkins 7th round pick on RB James Starks if available or G Derek Hardman Undrafted FA: QB Levi Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kterp Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I voted good idea but it depends on what you get for the trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff in D.C. Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I say trade out. Try to accrue another 1st or 2nd. There will be good QB's at the end of the first. I like the kid from Central Michigan. Dan Lefevour...should be there in the 2nd. Reminds me of Big Ben. I've seen highlights of that Lefevour kid, he's pretty impressive and had a great college career, only QB in NCAA history with 12,000 passing yards & 2500 yards rushing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff in D.C. Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 With or without Campbell, we won't be a playoff team next year. I disagree that it's automatic that this team won't be a playoff team next year. From year to year things change, and I can tell you right now I didn't think that they were a playoff team coming in to the 05 & 07 seasons after miserable seasons in 04 & 06. Anything is possible if the right GM, scouting department, & coaching staff is brought in. Hell with all of the turmoil this team has gone through this year, we very nearly beat the Cowturds, Eagles, & 11-0 Saints in back-to-back-to-back weeks with half the roster on IR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coopskin Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Did you miss the part where I said conditioned his stay upon his continued high-level performance?Also, in this case, I'd stick with Brennan. I was wrong about McD5's Portis assessment, TK & Jumbo's Davis/Thomas predictions, so maybe I'm wrong about the Cult? High level are you kidding?When we need a drive out of this choke artist he's nowhere to be found.His stats are so misleading it's not funny.When was the last time when we needed a drive out of him to win.NEVER!!!Also there isn't a QB on our roster that will be a starter next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I've seen highlights of that Lefevour kid, he's pretty impressive and had a great college career, only QB in NCAA history with 12,000 passing yards & 2500 yards rushing. Lefevour is an interesting prospect. From the limited amount I have seen he is a good scrambler, very accurate in his passes, and seems to go through progressions well and has poise. On the down side his arm strength isn't that great, he has a decent delivery but it isn't all that fast, and plays in a spread offense against inferior defenses so his numbers might be a bit inflated. There is nothing to say he can't be a good NFL QB. However, he is the kind of guy that would definitely take some time to get used to the NFL game. Not just the speed and complexity of the offense, but the vastly more complex and fast defenses. He is a guy you would grab in round 3 or 4 and let sit for a couple of years so he can get adjusted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Only trade ifWe keep our pick in the 1st and pick up an extra 2nd or better yet stay in the 1st and pick up an extra 1st in 2011 The question is does the FO think Levi Jones is the answer if Chris retires...I'm ok with Okung if Berry and Suh are gone kinda like BAL did with Oher start day 1 at right tackle and groom him to move to the left side in 2011 or 2012 Only issue with this is that Okung, from what I have seen watching him, and from what I've read, is more of a pure LT guy. He is more of an agility/finesse Tackle that you use on the left side. I'm not really sure he would be that great on the right side since he doesn't have as much of the bulk (6'5 305) or upper body strength to be as effective against the bigger DEs that generally tend to anchor the left side of the D line. It could work, though. Even as an LT he needs to bulk up a little probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myzhi Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 If you want to draft qb, top 10 rated is your best bet. You have around 50% chance of landing good one. Afterward, it drops to the teens and lower the further you go. Once you pass top 10 rated qb, might as well not bother. Would be a wasted pick. Seeing as how JC will be gone, trying to get rid of him since last year and he's not exactly lighting up the league, we are going to need to qb. No way, we should be trading down just percentage reason alone. Talks about drafting one in end 1st rd, 2nd rd and so forth are just wasting the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailGreen28 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 If our front office were good evaluators of talent, we should trade down on principle. Seeing how they aren't, I'd like them to stand pat, trading down only if value isn't there and another team makes it worth our while. Maybe they can get a BPA that falls like Orakpo, even if the rest of our draft is lackluster like our last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewCliche21 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 High level are you kidding?When we need a drive out of this choke artist he's nowhere to be found.His stats are so misleading it's not funny.When was the last time when we needed a drive out of him to win.NEVER!!!Also there isn't a QB on our roster that will be a starter next year. Very creative. I'm glad that you can look at the past three weeks and not notice a progression while simultaneously A) Forgetting that we have the rest of the games for him to keep it up or screw it up and Forgetting that we aren't making a playoff run next year anyway so it wouldn't matter if Brennan got a shot as long as we're building a team. Impressive. If our front office were good evaluators of talent, we should trade down on principle.Seeing how they aren't, I'd like them to stand pat, trading down only if value isn't there and another team makes it worth our while. Maybe they can get a BPA that falls like Orakpo, even if the rest of our draft is lackluster like our last. I am mixed on this. We were 13 last year and nobody knew a top-five talent in Orakpo would drop to us. That was just gift-wrapped. This year we may very well be top-five, so I'd like to not make a pick until there's :01 left on the clock while entertaining all trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tastes Like Chicken Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Lefevour is an interesting prospect. From the limited amount I have seen he is a good scrambler, very accurate in his passes, and seems to go through progressions well and has poise. On the down side his arm strength isn't that great, he has a decent delivery but it isn't all that fast, and plays in a spread offense against inferior defenses so his numbers might be a bit inflated. There is nothing to say he can't be a good NFL QB. However, he is the kind of guy that would definitely take some time to get used to the NFL game. Not just the speed and complexity of the offense, but the vastly more complex and fast defenses. He is a guy you would grab in round 3 or 4 and let sit for a couple of years so he can get adjusted. I*think*that*we*already*have*that*guy*on*the*roster.*In*my*opinion*it*would*be*a*huge*mistake*to*not*draft*a*quarterback*in*the*first*round.*We*need*to*make*sure*that*we*make*the*right*choice*as*this*guy*could*be*the*leader and face*of*our*franchise*for*the*better*part*of*the*next*decade.* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goflyhelo Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 I voted for "good idea".... we have plenty of needs so the more picks the merrier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polywog999 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Conversely, the best quarterbacks are taken in the first round, and very high in the first round. There are busts at every position, but the best are consistently at the top of the draft. Strongly disagree there #21, here's why... http://bleacherreport.com/articles/152574-drafting-a-quarterback-in-the-first-round-is-it-worth-the-risk http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/story?id=1539344 http://www.seattlepi.com/football/256252_hawk19.html Never pick a Qb in the first round! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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