Henry Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Interesting. Apparently they made BDW an offer they don't think anyone else will beat. I don't see anyone giving him a deal that good. Of course BDW could sign elsewhere anyway on principle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. D Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Big Daddy is not very bright at first glance....I will have to wait for Paul Harvey as it were................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB81 Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 If Vinnie is telling the truth, BDW is an idiot, and needs to fire his agent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Big Daddy will be on with Brig Owens later. I can't wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All In Posted July 29, 2003 Author Share Posted July 29, 2003 The thing is that the incentives were in gradual steps, $$$ amounts based on percentage of playing time. Nothing to do with performance, just staying on the field. No outrageous sack totals, tackles, etc.... Redskins FO was beyond fair. BDW's lucky if they 'Skins don't take this personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 The only thing I can guess is that BDW felt that the Skins would try to screw him with playing time and even if he was healthy, he would be held back from playing 70% of the snaps. Dont think that would be a legit concern...don't see the Skins FO as cheap. This is a good move for the Skins, imho. While BDW's upfield push will be missed...his run D can be more than replaced. It can be upgraded easily...it appears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redman Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 If we resign him to this deal, what would next year's cap hit look like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Wow....that is suprising. I'll have to assume BDW knows what's best for him... and... in the end... I hope he finds what he's looking for. I'd have to say we were fair, certainly not unreasonable in our expectations. I also must admit to being excited to see what the others will do. I've always been a Cowsette supporter, liking his hustle and burst to the ballcarrier or QB. Anyone remember him chasing Vick all over the field and eventually out of bounds in a preseason game? B. Jackson certainly didn't wilt when he played late last year. It's going to be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 I don't know how easy those incentives are to reach if Edwards plans on rotating the defensive line a lot. There'd be little room for injury if BDW planned on hitting 70% of the snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Originally posted by redman If we resign him to this deal, what would next year's cap hit look like? Not sure if you mean the year we are in...or really next year? This year's cap hit would see us adding $2 mil to the 1.7 mil cap hit that BDW counts anyways (even after cutting him). Next year's cap hit would be the 4 mil or so in dead money from BDW plus the incentive of 1.5 mil (assuming he hit it). I think I have that right... *scratching head* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wicked Wop Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 bdw doesn't sound like he's coming back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 OK, I'm listening to Big Daddy right now. I've decided he's a dick. Very shortsighted. And he's not coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitnskins Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 All I have to say to Dan Wilkinson is.............bye-bye-BIG DUMMY!! I think he's in for a rude awakening..........Darryl Gardener couldn't even get 2 mil last year. :finger: :moon: :tongue: :coach: :cuss: :hammer: :shoothead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wicked Wop Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 sounds like a little b!tch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 For his production, that deal was more than fair. It'll be interesting to hear what was going through his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 ok, lets have a better breakdown of what he said please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitnskins Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Screw him...........ole non-productive azz fool!!! Plus, he's always the one sitting out of mini-camps too!!!!!!!!! :thud: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 He's definitely a dick. He doesnt recognize his value as a player, and has decided to blame it on the redskins FO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 If he truly understands it's a business, then he should understand that these days free agency means "what have you done for me lately" more than ever before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All In Posted July 29, 2003 Author Share Posted July 29, 2003 BDW: Caught off-guard, boils down to offers to restructure. He felt the offers were changing every half hour. Felt that a lot of things didn't make sense, no sense of security. Wasn't sure if he felt FO was working towards a compromise. Friday's offer to him changed 3 times once Sunday came. He felt games were being played. Stays inline with what's been happening around here the last 5 6 years. Salty/Bitter... He has no frustrations he says, enjoyable run, this is home even after football, great fans, no negative experience. D.Gardner told BDW that they had no intention of keeping BDW. Felt that the FO was stuck with him. Not anymore. He received 3 or 4 different offers with in hours. Why wait till the week of training camp to restructure. Why let him go and still have salary camp hits. DL is short on depth. Appreciates the door being open, great group of guys that have moved on over the years, current players. He's ready to move on. Feels that last year was the first time he was injured severly, the wrist hampered all the way to March not just during the season. Sounds like a real good team guy. Last year performance was hampered cause of injuries. Sounds like he is taking it personal and won't come back. He doesn't feel disapointed by the way he was dealt with. No surprise to him, again he mentions the previous players, this is how things are dealt with. Create confusion in the papers, etc. Says this is how things have been in the last 5 6 years. Fans have been great, at time taken for granted because they will always be there. Fans deserve a winner. Thanks the fans for the support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Sounds to me that we have 2 groups here that just are ready to go in different directions. I wouldn't hold it against either one, though I have never been a fan of how the organization can turn the public on players alot easier then the players can leave a black eye for the orginazation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen-like Todd Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 I dunno bout that Utah. I think the fans have a good sense of value. Virtually everyone was on B. Mitch's side when we dropped him, we were just a bit annoyed with the level of bitterness he displayed. Same goes for Art Monk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poidog22 Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Regardless of how many offers BDW's gotten since he hit the streets, I don't see anyone offering him the $2 mil guaranteed & $1.5 mil in incentives that Washington offered him. At this point, I'm not sure that taking him back if he can't find a good deal elsewhere would be the best move for the organization, of course, on the other side of the coin, playing out the last year of a contract can be a very motivating to a lot of players, so maybe if he came back we would see the kind of production we've been hoping for since he got here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yomar Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 BDW said the offer from the Redskins was constantly changing, Cerrato saying they offered him 2 mil guaranteed sounds like BS to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Cerrato didn't say guaranteed. He said $2 million as a base. And, I bet the offer was changing, but, that would be on playing time where BDW's agent wanted 60 percent of the non-nickel snaps while the Skins probably started at 80 percent of all snaps and came down to 60 percent of all snaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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