Coach Williams Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 canidates stats....make ya feel better: TOTAL 4 NFL Seasons 35 games played in 3 games started 98 attempts 495 yards 5.1 average 45 long 6 touchdowns 4 FUMBLES..................3 LOST ___________________________________ 2 OF THE FUMBLES CAME AGAINST THE SAINTS...IN 2001 maybe he was having a bad game? ___________________________________ ANY ONE OF THOSE FUMBLES COULD'VE BEEN A BAD HANDOFF....? ___________________________________ THINK OF IT THIS WAY IF ONE OF THOSE FUMBLES WASN'T HIS FAULT... HE FUMBLES ABOUT ONCE EVERY 30 CARRIES.... WHICH IS ABOUT THE SAME AS OUR EX. rb DAVIS!!!!!!! ___________________________________ if there is anyway to find this out tell me.... he might not be as bad as people think he is....... ___________________________________ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Funkyalligator Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 I've always been a supporter of Candidate and I kept meaning to look up his fumble stats...but never remembered to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golgo-13 Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 If a young or unknown guy has one bad game, everybody will often remember that game and brand him by it. In Trung's case it was that game vs. the Saints. Everybody remembers that one and as a result of it he has earned a reputation as a "fumbler." Weather or not this is warranted we don't know. He could have slippery hands, or on the other hand, we could have gotten an amazing deal on a guy with big-time talent. We shall soon find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter's Better Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 Its hard to change a label that others have put on you.. Hopefully he can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samuels Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 He also fumbled a couple times last preseason and was replaced by Lamar Gordan a rookie has backup Rb. Don't ecpect much from Trung unless he has mack truck size holes.Betts should start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeathByLinebacker Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 Yeah, some of his reputation came from preseason games and practices. I can't say it's undeserved, but he could also improve in that area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Even Madder Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 He got his reputation for fumbling from a serious habit of fumbling in practice, in preseason -- not just in one game. Hopefully he's working on that right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sisko Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 Good post and good point about Trung KingBrice. 98 rushes is probably too small a "sample size" if you will to brand a guy a fumbler. One more thing. Please try to remember what was said in another post about the all caps thing. All caps is like salt used to enhance the flavor of your food...it is best used SPARINGLY to make a point. See ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cskin Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 I just hope he learns to take care of the football, especially against the NFC East because it appears the Eagles and Cowboys made it a point to punch at the football held by Davis. Anyone ever notice that the Eagles made a living punching at and stripping the ball away from Davis? It would seem they saw something in film, practiced getting at the ball, and then executed it in nearly every game against us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 98 carries, 4 fumbles... That's roughly 1 fumble every 25 carries,, or once a game for a starting tailback. That's a fumbler. I am hoping that more work handling the ball will improve his ball handling. 98 carries, but spread out over 5 0r 6 a week.. figure the 3 games he started were probably 60 or more of those carries. And I like the results he posted, but in that span he did fumble several times. My fingers are crossed, but I hope his are holding onto the ball. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 28, 2003 Share Posted July 28, 2003 I think you've got to have more than 100 carries before that stat really becomes significant. Otherwise, it's like comparing batting averages after 20 ABs. But, once a RB gets a reputation as a fumbler, then that label's easier to get than it is to get rid of. It's like a QB getting a rep for throwing picks when he's pressured: Once that label's on, everybody's going to test it, and keep testing it untill it starts to cost them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Hog Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Originally posted by Samuels He also fumbled a couple times last preseason and was replaced by Lamar Gordan a rookie has backup Rb. Don't ecpect much from Trung unless he has mack truck size holes.Betts should start. Here here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoCalMike Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Well I had ahman green on my FF team last year and I watched a game last year where he fumbled TWICE at the goalline and both times it was recovered by the other team, yet you don't see the media harping on it forever. hypocrites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachey79 Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Riggins fumbled once every..like..400 carries!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Actually, according to a really neat stats page I just found, Riggins fumbled once for every 49 "touches". (As opposed to that great fumbler, Steven Davis , who averaged once every 80.) There's other interesting stuff there, too. While looking at stats for Dave Butz , I discovered that he made a lot more sacks than I thought, and that he had a kick return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefhogskin48 Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Well he fumbles in games, he fumbles in the preseason, and he fumbles at practice. Where can we find him not fumbling? On the bench, which is where he was last year. Oh, it has been reported that he can't pick up blitzes, either. If the above is indeed true, I think we'd be better off with Watson, a less glamorous yet more trustworthy player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatGuy Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Like Yusef said, its all about sample size. Does McCants or D.Thompson also earn this 'fumbler' monkier, because they sure seemed to fumble a lot last year. But you can't tell based on 98 carries. If he's the starter this year, he'll get that in 5 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Moot. Betts starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Even Madder Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Canidate: 4 fumbles, 98 attempts (he fumbles 4% of the time) Betts: 2 fumbles, 65 attempts (he fumbles 3% of the time) -- including that humiliating goal-line strip against the Cowboys. Neither of these are statistically relevent because the sample size is too small, but picking Betts over Canidate because of the fumbling issue is kinda dumb. You'll know pretty quickly which one holds onto the ball -- he'll be the one starting against the Jets. The coaches will see in practice which one has trouble holding onto the ball. Oh by the way -- Kenny Watson: 0 fumbles, 116 attempts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE HAMMER'IN HOG Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Originally posted by Even Madder Canidate: 4 fumbles, 98 attempts (he fumbles 4% of the time) Betts: 2 fumbles, 65 attempts (he fumbles 3% of the time) -- including that humiliating goal-line strip against the Cowboys. Neither of these are statistically relevent because the sample size is too small, but picking Betts over Canidate because of the fumbling issue is kinda dumb. You'll know pretty quickly which one holds onto the ball -- he'll be the one starting against the Jets. The coaches will see in practice which one has trouble holding onto the ball. Oh by the way -- Kenny Watson: 0 fumbles, 116 attempts. did you watch the 1st cowboy game what would you call that? the ball may not have hit the ground but he might as well have handed it off to williams for a TD. betts will be the starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJWatson3 Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Originally posted by Die Hard Moot. Betts starts. in agreement. he is the best all-around back be have. that is why he is my darkhorse for Skins MVP. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ and about the fumbing... i remember last preseason when Clinton Portis had some fumbling problems (3 in one game if i remember correctly), but i still drafted him (as my fourth back after A. Green, R. Williams, and S. Alexander-- they we newbies), and it paid dividends. i am willing to give the manchurian a few chances in the B&G before i pass judgement... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 I think the way defensive coaches will approach Spurrier will be to take away the deep patterns with help over top. They'll force Spurrier to be patient and throw underneath. This may work to Gardner's advantage. But I really think Ladell Betts can play a Thurman Thomas type of role here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJWatson3 Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 as soon as i read, "take away the deep patterns", i thought: Gardner. he will put up better numbers than Coles next year, but both will prosper in the long run. ramsey will turn both into pro-bowlers before too long. and betts is the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 Yeah Gardner should prosper but so will the 3rd and 4th Receiving option when defenses decide to take away Coles. You'd think RB coach offensive coord H Jackson should be working with Canidate on holding the football properly to reduce the chance to fumble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted July 29, 2003 Share Posted July 29, 2003 And, heck, Jacobs could be our leading receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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