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      The home team fans are at home, these games no longer matter, and it’s probably better for the team to lose than it is to win.  It must be December in Washington.  Welcome to week 15!
       
      Redskins Inactive: 
      Colt McCoy  
      Trey Quinn 
      Quinton Dunbar  
      Josh Harvey-Clemons  
      Ross Pierschbacher  
      Brandon Scherff  
      Caleb Wilson  
       
      Eagles Inactive: 
      Nate Sudfeld  
      Nelson Agholor 
      Jordan Howard  
      Shareef Miller 
      Lane Johnson  
      Sua Opeta  
      Derek Barnet
       
      There are two camps for Redskins fans at this time of year.  Those that want to tank and those that want to win.  If this describes you, I want you to know something important. You’re wrong.  You should probably feel bad about it too, but that’s your business.  The right way to go about this, is simply to embrace the doublethink.  
       
      Before and after the game it’s perfectly reasonable to acknowledge that losing has its advantages.  It does and it is undeniable.  Afterall we could be talking about the difference between Chase Young being in a Redskins uniform, or not.  What we need for that to happen is simple.  Redskins lose out.  Giants beat the Dolphins and Redskins.  Dolphins beat the Bengals.  All of these things are perfectly reasonable outcomes.  We’re that close to having an elite pass rusher.   
       
      Before that happens, we have a game to play.  It is in this moment that we should embrace the other side of our demented doublethink.  While the game is being played, especially against a division opponent, fans should want their team to do well.  Assuming they have a soul and any decency.  There is just no way that I can root for the Eagles to beat the Redskins during a game.  If you are the type of fan that does this, I hope you find someone that can fix what has broken inside of you.   
       
      Pregame Prediction:  Redskins 23 – Eagles 30  
      More interesting game we are missing because we are still watching the Redskins:  Packers – Bears  
      Things I am snacking on:  Brownie.   
      Number of colons used:  Six.  (so far)  
       
      Check back for updates.  I’m going to wander around the room for a while and stretch my legs to get away from a certain well-known ESPN Eagle fan’s boring conversations that my ear phones aren’t blocking out entirely.
       
      1st Quarter Redskins 7 - 3 Eagles
      "The Closer" Haskins showed up for work early today and hit his former college teammate for a touchdown.  He really took the life out of this crowd in *checks notes* Fedex Field. 
       
      2nd Quarter Redskins 14 - 10 Eagles
      This quarter was defined by penalties.  The Redskins made the mistake of lightly hitting an Eagles tight end on the shoulder, and then another by tackling the Eagles QB around the waist.  Refs clearly didn't appreciate the Redskins playing football.
       
      This is the best half of football of Haskins pro career.  The Redskins passing offense as a whole has looked impressive, which... well it just shouldn't be.  Right?  Feels like a trap.  As soon as we start to feel good about it, BOOM they'll tear our hearts out. 
       
      I'll say this much though, Redskins receivers have been running around wide open throughout this first half.  The Redskins should have scored more than 14.
       
      Halftime:  If you had a choice between standing in a relatively long line for ice cream and cookies or nachos and hot dogs which would you choose?  I would go with ice cream.  Unfortunately I didn't realize there were two separate lines, and so I ended up with nachos and disappointment.  Also, I should probably mention Urban Meyer is here.  I bet he got the ice cream.   
       
      3rd Quarter Redskins 14 - 17 Eagles
      Wentz made a good throw, giving his team the lead, and it reminded me that Wentz was once a pretty good QB.  Hasn't looked like it often today.  The Eagles really haven't had a lot of open players for Wentz to throw to, but there is more to it than that.  Wentz looks slow. 
       
      Haskins has out played him through three quarters, and we haven't even reached Haskins best quarter. 
       
      4th Quarter Redskins 27 - 37 Eagles
      Some drunk Redskins fans sitting in front of the press box have recognized a Eagles fan that appears often on CNN and have started knocking on the glass to wave their hands and smile at him now the the Redskins have the lead.  These fans have apparently never learned not to tempt fate.
       
      Redskins defense played fairly well all game but picked the worst possible time to give up a long drive for a touchdown.  The Eagles offense came off the field with a four point lead and less than a minute left in the game.  The fumble return for a touchdown on the aborted hail marry attempt just added insult to injury.  Redskins come up short, for the eleventh time this season. 
       
      End of game thoughts.  Haskins actually looked like a real NFL QB for an entire NFL game.  Not just a drive here or there, but for an entire game Haskins looked like he belonged.  He looked like one of the reasons the Redskins might win the game.  He's shown flashes in the past but nothing like this.  A very encouraging sign for fans that believe he can be a part of the future here. 
       
      The Giants did their part to fall back in the draft, by absolutely dismantling the mighty Dolphins.  May the Giants be victorious, at least one more time this season.  We just need to lose to the Giants and have the Dolphins beat the Bengals, and the Redskins will be sitting alone at 3 wins.  Chase Young could happen.

       
       
       

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Guys who are venturing out to Ashburn to watch camp need to make sure you visit here as soon as you get back to post all your observations. With hope any number of you will be going to camp and will be able to post stuff.

This is when the real posting season begins and I know I can't wait to read whatever those of you who will be up close and personal at camp have to say.

For convenience sake, here is a list of the camp schedule:

Redskins Training Camp 2003 Schedule

All practice times are subject to change.

Monday, July 28

9 a.m. practice

4 p.m. practice

Tuesday, July 29

9 a.m. practice

4 p.m. practice

Wednesday, July 30

9 a.m. practice

4 p.m. practice

Thursday, July 31

9 a.m. practice

Friday, August 1

9 a.m. practice

4 p.m. practice

Saturday, August 2--Fan Appreciation Day

9 a.m. practice

12:30 p.m.--Fan Day Festivities Begin (More details coming soon.)

4 p.m. practice

Sunday, August 3

4 p.m. practice

Monday, August 4

9 a.m. practice

4 p.m. practice

Tuesday, August 5

9 a.m. practice

4 p.m. practice

Wednesday, August 6

9 a.m. practice

Thursday, August 7

9 a.m. practice

4 p.m. practice

Friday, August 8

Travel to Carolina

Saturday, August 9

Redskins at Panthers, 8 p.m.

Monday, August 11

9 a.m. practice

4 p.m. practice

Tuesday, August 12

9 a.m. practice

4 p.m. practice

Wednesday, August 13

9 a.m. practice

Thursday, August 14

9 a.m. practice

4 p.m. practice

**BREAK CAMP**

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One of the things I love most about training camp is that you get news from fans who've been to training camp. You don't have to rely on reporters who may have some agenda (if they're from the Post, they try to be overly optimistic - the Times takes the opposite tack).

I remember my first camp and comparing what I observed with what the media reported and was surprised at the differences in our interpretations. Also, it was obvious to me that no single reporter can watch everything that's going on - there's usually 3 different groups out there in drills.

To be perfectly honest, I'd prefer to read training camp accounts from our board members rather than rely on the media to 'interpret' it for us.

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How about everyone post camp reports to this thread so there won't be 100 different threads???

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We need someone there with a mobile internet connection, so he can give us his observations real-time :D He could also get a webcam and broadcast training camp.

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Originally posted by TennesseeCarl

Also, it was obvious to me that no single reporter can watch everything that's going on - there's usually 3 different groups out there in drills.

If the couple of days I spent last summer down next to the field with the press corps in Carlisle are any indication, very few pay much attention at all to what's going on. They're all down there socializing, trying to land freelance jobs, get on TV and the like. Somebody makes a diving interception and they all snap to, trying to find out who made the pick and who threw the ball from one of their compatriots who was actually watching what took place.

Joe White of the AP generally pays attention, as do Paul Woody and John Keim. But if guys like Maske or Ducibella ever pass along something that happened on the field at practice, they either caught it by accident or got it from White.

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Over the past two years I've enjoyed reading all the reports from camp, hopefully this year will be the same.

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They should just write what they see. Do a play by play as best they can. I tried last year to give a play by play in my report. It is hard to write down everything and watch the whole field for every snap. If you focus on the line you may miss the coverage skills of the db's etc. I know I would do a much better job if I could write in shorthand.

The Mrs. Isn't going to let me go down for a whole weekend like I wanted to since we are going to hog fest and I spent a small fortune on our tickets.;) But I am going to take a day off from work and go down and spend one night and stay for the next day and drive back. I am hoping to go down this friday. Last year I borrowed a camera and the damn thing was broke.:mad: This year I have a digital cam so when I get back I can post my pics.:cheers:

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Monday July 28th- Morning Practice

I ventured out to Redskins park today and noticed a good practice, not a great one, but a good practice.

Offense:

For about the first 30 minutes I observed the offense. I was focused on the qb and wr's drill. A few things that impressed me were Ramsey, Johnson and Hammand had big arms. Real nice crisp throws. Banks had some decent throws also. The WR's were also catching the ball nicely which looked good. However Patrick Johnson was definitley struggling a bit all day during WR drills and 7 on 7's.

Ramsey's footwork has definitley improved. In 11 on 11 he was moving in the pocket well but was still struggling to find people. Hammand looked awkward with his feet, still has work to do, but I was real impressed by him. He seemed confident, made good throws and really looked like he was having a good time.

Defense

I also went over and watched the D a bit. Lavar is definitley gonna be a monster this year. He is the leader of that defense. Champ looked real sharp and shut down the "lesser recievers" and was looking real good in general. Fred Smoot looked bigger and of course was yappin it up.

In the 11 on 11 one thing I noticed was the dline got pressure on Ramsey. He was forced to move in the pocket and make some bad throws because of the pressure. Mabey there is something there without Big Daddy being present. Bruce Smith sat out this practice but was there working with the Dline.

The secondary looked real good. In the drills everyone was sharp and pretty well on target. They stopped the offense in 7 on 7's and Ramsey really had nowhere to throw in 11 on 11's.

Special Teams:

The team worked on punting while I was there. However I only paid attention to the gunner drills. However I believe Barker was booming some nice punts. There were a few very nice booms while the team was working on punting. Mabey someone will emerge, I just am not sure who it was.

People that impressed me:

Patrick Ramsey- He looked poised, his arm was sharp and his footwork improved. However I do believe he threw a pick because really the WR's were getting smothered in the 11 on 11's. He did weave to nice passes, one real nice one to Taylor Jacobs and another sweet one between 2 defenders to Gardner.

Gibran Hammand- I really like this kid. He has a good arm and looks like he is picking up on things quickly. Big guy, and he was definitley soaking it up, signing autographs and having a real good time.

Cliff Russel- If he tore his ACL it was tough to see. The kid was catching the ball real well and running real well. He could have a solid year for us.

Champ- Champ was Champ shutting down basically everyone. Ramsey could not throw to Coles when Champ was on him. He looked real good and a bit bigger.

Lavar Arrington- This man is the leader of that D and you could hear him talking it up. I really think he will have another monster year.

People I didn't like-

Patrick Johnson- He struggled in the morning practice. Dropped some balls, slipped some and just didn't seem all there. He is gonna have to improve if he wants to stick around.

Zeron Flemister- He also didn't have a great practice. Went offsides once, dropped a ball and looked like he hasn't done much to improve himself.

The O-line- Ramsey had a little too much pressure on him during 11 on 11's. It is still early and usually D-line man are able to pick up things quickly but they need to improve.

Overall: A typical first practice type. Some things were there some things were not and the players just gotta get used to hitting and being in pads. Things were definitley real organized, players moved quickly and a lot was going on. The expierence was a lot of fun, got to be up close on the defensive side of the field, people were friendly, and of course Dan was out there in a power tie watching his empire.

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Awesome report! Thanks!

Question:

Maybe there is something there without Big Daddy being present.

BDW wasn't there? I read that they might hold him out of practice until he can get a new contract so in case he gets hurt, they aren't stuck with the $$. His alternate representation will not be able to continue talks until Friday though. Anyone know if this is the case?

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I'll answer my own question in case anyone else was wondering...

Wilkinson Sits Out Practice While Weighing Pay Cut

By Mark Maske

Washington Post Staff Writer

Monday, July 28, 2003; 11:26 AM

The Washington Redskins decided to withhold veteran defensive tackle Dan Wilkinson from this morning's opening practice of training camp at Redskins Park, and hoped to know by this afternoon whether he will be willing to accept a pay cut.

Redskins officials hoped that Wilkinson's new agent, Brig Owens, would be free to negotiate with them on Wilkinson's behalf by midday. Owens was waiting to receive clearance from the NFL Players Association. Originally, Owens had told the Redskins he could not negotiate for Wilkinson until Friday because of the rules governing the conduct of agents. Wilkinson switched agents, from George Mavrikes to Owens, on Saturday.

Club officials met Sunday night -- after Wilkinson reported to camp on time, as he'd promised the Redskins on Saturday that he would do -- to discuss Wilkinson's future. The team has told him to reduce his club-high $3.5 million salary or risk being cut. Mavrikes and Wilkinson had refused. The Redskins have offered Wilkinson a chance to recoup any lost income through incentives based on playing time. The Redskins don't feel that Wilkinson's production last season, when he had a career-low 17 tackles, warrants his hefty salary.

If Wilkinson practices and gets hurt, the Redskins would be prohibited by NFL rules from releasing him without a financial settlement.

© 2003 The Washington Post Company

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A56609-2003Jul28.html

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Yes! Training camp recap! Only about what? 10 or 11 days till the first preseason game! I hope I can make it up there for training camp in the next week or so.

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It's quite comical what I look forward to this time of year. I can't wait to watch Sonny and George broadcast each night from TC and show a couple clips of the practices.

They also usually sit down and interview a different player each night. I love that stuff. Maybe I need a fuller life.

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Hey Todd it wasn't bad. Since I run my own business I basically set my own hours and practice was done at 11. Plenty of time to get back and wet some people's football appetite. I just hope we can continue with posting re-caps in this thread. Best idea EVER

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Great job, I'm glad to hear how "organized" the session was....that is huge for us this year....to pay attention to the little things that add up.......I guess Zeron is down $10 to StevO already :)

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Do they cancel in case of rain? It looks as if it will rain this afternoon.

FOOTBALL IS BACK :D:cheers:

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Excellent report SHF. Woudn't expect anything less fro a Hokie!!!

Thanks!:notworthy

I hope that other's that post training camp reports use yours as an example of how to write theirs.

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