The Evil Genius Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Congressman Admits to 'Poor Judgment' By David Espo Associated Press Wednesday, July 23, 2003; 4:47 PM WASHINGTON - Rep. Bill Thomas, one of the most powerful committee chairmen in Congress, told a somber House of Representatives on Wednesday that he exercised "poor judgment" last week when he called for the Capitol Police to help remove Democrats from a room where they were meeting. "As my mother would have put it, 'when they were passing out moderation, you were hiding behind the door,'" the California Republican — a man known for his abrasive style — said as he choked back tears. Thomas noted that a columnist had described his action as "just plain stupid,' then added, "I agree with him." Thomas' comments amounted to the act of contrition that fellow Republicans had sought in the wake of his role in a partisan meltdown last week in the Ways and Means Committee. But it fell short of the full-throated apology that Democrats clamored for, and Thomas defended another of his controversial actions on Friday, a decision to call House security officials to the committee's main meeting room. Republicans vigorously applauded Thomas when he completed his remarks. Many Democrats stood and clapped, with less enthusiasm than the GOP lawmakers. Rep. Fortney Stark, D-Calif., whose verbal assault on a GOP lawmaker played a key role in last week's furor, applauded briefly from his seat. Moments later, Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., the senior Democrat on the committee, thanked Thomas for his remarks, at the same time emphasizing the point Democrats have been making since the controversy erupted. "The minority has a right to be respected, to be heard ...to know what is in the bill," he said. Republicans have an obligation, he added, "to use not the rules that we make up as we go along, but the rules that have allowed this (House) to exist for over 200 years." Thomas stepped to the rostrum in hopes of quelling days of controversy in a House divided narrowly along party lines. "I learned a very painful lesson on Friday. As members you deserve better judgment from me and you'll get it," he said. "Because of my poor judgment those outside the House who want to trivialize, marginalize and debase this institution were given an opportunity to do so. Because of my poor judgment the stewardship of my party...has been unfairly criticized. Because of my poor judgment I became the focus of examination rather than the issues." In a quarter-century in Congress, Thomas has developed a reputation for a confrontational, acerbic personality, as well as his knowledge of complex matters of tax, trade and other legislation. His ascension to the committee chairmanship three years ago brought him considerable power, and Republicans and Democrats alike — including most recently a Senate Republican committee chairman — have publicly accused him of high-handed tactics. As liberal as Thomas is conservative, Stark has a history of insulting fellow lawmakers, and few if any Democrats have defended his conduct during the controversy. At the same time, Democrats continued to attack Thomas, and forced a second vote during the day on a proposal to criticize his behavior and send pension legislation, at the center of the dispute, back to committee. Republicans killed it on a 223-193 party line vote, much as they forced rejection of a similar proposal last Friday. "Never before in our time in Congress have we seen such a blatant abuse of power by a committee chairman," Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., wrote all House members on Tuesday. "We were not breaking any rules of the House. We were meeting together, in an empty room commonly used by Republican and Democratic members alike, to develop our response to" the pension bill. The controversy flared when Thomas had the Capitol police summoned during a committee meeting called to vote on the pension legislation. Democrats, claiming the bill had been changed overnight without their knowledge, moved into an adjoining library, leaving Stark behind to try to slow progress on the legislation. But Stark soon was hurling insults at Rep. Scott McInnis, R-Colo., calling him a "wimp" and a "fruitcake." The Californian later issued a statement acknowledging using "words that were not becoming." Democrats claim the police were called to evict them from the library, and before Stark attacked McInnis verbally. Some Republicans say they were called out of fear that Stark might instigate a physical conflict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aREDSKIN Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 Well it isn't odd because he didn't. Stark called Rep. Scott McInnis, R-Colo, not Bill Thomas, a fruitcake and this article dosen't mention his apology, if there was one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKurp Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 Kilmer will have you believe that this is simply a liberal media spin and that Thomas really didn't apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted July 24, 2003 Author Share Posted July 24, 2003 aRedskin, My bad...got the two of the fruitcakes mixed up. j/k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aREDSKIN Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 Originally posted by The Evil Genius aRedskin, My bad...got the two of the fruitcakes mixed up. j/k It happens all those fruitcakes look a like don't they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fansince62 Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 who cares? shouldn't you be extolling the virtues of Democrat murderers like Kennedy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 Isnt it odd that the offending Democrat hasnt been taken to task for his blatant homophobic comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKurp Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 As is typical of you Kilmer, your uneven-handed bias shines through by focusing on the words of a Democrat while ignoring the egregious act of a Republican who calls the police in an attempt to silence his opponents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackC Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 Blatant homophobic comments? Come on even you don't believe that do you? Fruitfcake? Give me a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 So who gets to decide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GB81 Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 I don't think fruitcake was meant as a compliment... Like, that Lance Armstrong....what a fruitcake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted July 24, 2003 Author Share Posted July 24, 2003 Originally posted by Kilmer17 Isnt it odd that the offending Democrat hasnt been taken to task for his blatant homophobic comments. Kilmer, But Stark soon was hurling insults at Rep. Scott McInnis, R-Colo., calling him a "wimp" and a "fruitcake." The Californian later issued a statement acknowledging using "words that were not becoming." Perhaps McInnis accepted his apology (the same way that the DEMS accepted Thomas's apology)? Good question though - since this story doesnt expond on what the GOPs reaction was to Starks apology for his jackass comments. As an aside, do you think Thomas was wrong in what he did, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 I think there were plenty of GOPers trying to make that same argument regarding Trent Lotts comments. Yes, I think calling the cops was wrong. He's admitted as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackC Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 Originally posted by Kilmer17 So who gets to decide? Me and the liberal elites! We all decide. Both of them said they were sorry. Any continued comment of this BS arguement of homophobia might just be down right homophobic on your part! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 Just so we are clear then Jack. The word "fruitcake" is not a homophobic slur. Therefor anyone can use it to describe somebody. Correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackC Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 No fruitcake is a bad christmas gift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Evil Genius Posted July 24, 2003 Author Share Posted July 24, 2003 Kilmer, Language police anyone? I am sure that someone will take fruitcake to be a slur on gays. I personaly thought the slur was supposed to be "fruit" and not fruitcake. Of course, someone else can think it also means a crazy or eccentric person (as per the trusty dictionary). Kind of like... I thought you were a bit of a fruitcake to those fruitcakes. So don't be a fruitcake and drop the subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 dammit TEG, you stole my thunder, I was going to call Jack a fruitcake as soon as he agreed it was not a slur. My point is exactly that. The language police are quick to dismiss the misspeaks of some, and quick to damn the misspeaks of others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackC Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 Kilmer, Call me a fruitcake, but the real reason some liberals get more benefit of doubt is related to actions. Actions have always spoke louder than words. Hope that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilmer17 Posted July 24, 2003 Share Posted July 24, 2003 Jack, please refer to the 100 post thread about GOP actions vs Dem actions for examples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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