KingGibbs Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 I know we have a few glass half full folks here and I would like them to answer a few questions in regards to our fledgling team. 1.Being that it is the hottest topic on here how will we fix the QB position? New QB or stick with Jason? 2.Let's face it Zorn is a sitting duck and will most likely be fired, but what coach is going to come in here and get us back to winning ways? 3.How will we address the OL this offseason for youth and depth or will it be ignored again? 4.Will the coaching staff start playing players to their strength such as letting Rak put his down in the dirt for three downs. 5.Are we going to get an actual Strongside linebacker? 6.Are we going to see a youth movement on the DL and replace the aging Daniels and Griffin? 7.Are we going to re-sign Rogers and if not how are we going to replace a very good cover corner? Yes, I know he has hands of stone. 8.What are we going to do about the wr position because it doesn't appear that the three amigos from last years draft are panning out and our starters are getting older? 9.RB is going to now be a position of need IMO. How to plug that in? 10.Greg Blache will probably retire. Who becomes the new DC? 11.How in the hell do we address all of the above with Vinny making the calls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Terrapin Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 11.How in the hell do we address all of the above with Vinny making the calls? No matter how much he overestimated his judgment about being able to micromanage an NFL franchise, Dan Snyder didn't get to where he is by being an idiot. I'm hoping the promotion last year was both a vote of confidence and fair warning that VC is responsible for the team's performance. If the owner steps back and assesses everything that has happened over the last 10 years, Vinny should be on his way out the door. (You wanted optimism, right?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 I think the eternal optimists are an endangered species right now. Besides, most of them are in the Refs screwed us (which they did. Still mad at that BS non call) threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
88Comrade2000 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 No Can Do. Sorry but unless Snyder has an enema and finally wakes up, there really is no hope. We will continue to be mediocre franchise. I don't see Dan Snyder hiring a GM and then let a GM hire a coach. That's to much power for Dan to let leave his grasps. He might let a coach be gm or bring in something but it will be Dan Snyder who hire the next guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 We all know who this thread needs And no, Dan Snyder didn't make 2 billion dollars by being an idiot But he sure as hell was very lucky, as evidenced by how poorly he has managed Six Flags and every other investment post purchasing the Redskins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted October 11, 2009 Author Share Posted October 11, 2009 No matter how much he overestimated his judgment about being able to micromanage an NFL franchise, Dan Snyder didn't get to where he is by being an idiot. I'm hoping the promotion last year was both a vote of confidence and fair warning that VC is responsible for the team's performance. If the owner steps back and assesses everything that has happened over the last 10 years, Vinny should be on his way out the door.(You wanted optimism, right?) That's a start and I pray to the football Gods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Trade portis for a few picks, Randle-El for a pick, Fred Davis for a pick, Betts for a pick, Andre Carter for a pick, Devin Thomas, etc. If an uncapped year will allow us to accumulate a bunch of 3rd or 4th rounders, we can mix and match them for a new QB and several 2nd round linemen while dumping the above like without having to worry about the salary cap hits. Then Coach Grimm can begin to rebuild this franchise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted October 11, 2009 Author Share Posted October 11, 2009 we all know who this thread needs lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stugein Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Well at least we're not the Rams, AMIRITE!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlinginSammy HOF '63 Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Trade portis for a few picks, Randle-El for a pick, Fred Davis for a pick, Betts for a pick, Andre Carter for a pick, Devin Thomas, etc. If an uncapped year will allow us to accumulate a bunch of 3rd or 4th rounders, we can mix and match them for a new QB and several 2nd round linemen while dumping the above like without having to worry about the salary cap hits. Then Coach Grimm can begin to rebuild this franchise Portis MIGHT get us one mid rounder right now. An 8th year RB with no burst, little cutback ability and just quickly fading as overused RBs do. He may have one more year in this league, but this is probably his last year as a feature guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Fire Zorn today. Make Buges the interim coach and watch us finish above .500 and possibly sneak into the post season where anything can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted October 11, 2009 Author Share Posted October 11, 2009 Well at least we're not the Rams, AMIRITE!? I'm not feeling your optimism and you failed to answer any of the questions. Now go put your nose in the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dead Money Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 Trade portis for a few picks, Randle-El for a pick, Fred Davis for a pick, Betts for a pick, Andre Carter for a pick, Devin Thomas, etc. If an uncapped year will allow us to accumulate a bunch of 3rd or 4th rounders, we can mix and match them for a new QB and several 2nd round linemen while dumping the above like without having to worry about the salary cap hits. Then Coach Grimm can begin to rebuild this franchise He wanted an eternal optimists, not people on Qualudes.:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gortiz Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 I know we have a few glass half full folks here and I would like them to answer a few questions in regards to our fledgling team.1.Being that it is the hottest topic on here how will we fix the QB position? New QB or stick with Jason? I would say go with a change. Its time. While JC might not be the the entire reason why the offense is so bad, a change could spark something. I think leaving him in there we will only see a lot of the same. 2.Let's face it Zorn is a sitting duck and will most likely be fired, but what coach is going to come in here and get us back to winning ways? I say either cowher or gruden. 3.How will we address the OL this offseason for youth and depth or will it be ignored again? The draft and by signing some depth and perhaps one starter. 4.Will the coaching staff start playing players to their strength such as letting Rak put his down in the dirt for three downs. I don't think so, these guys seem real slow to adapt. See Randle El at punt returner. 5.Are we going to get an actual Strongside linebacker? If the current regime stays in place, probably not. Too implulsive and to worried about the "flavor of the month." But I think Rocky is not that bad, but I could not say. I don't follow individual players taht closely on game day. 6.Are we going to see a youth movement on the DL and replace the aging Daniels and Griffin? see #5 7.Are we going to re-sign Rogers and if not how are we going to replace a very good cover corner? Yes, I know he has hands of stone. I say yes, I don't think the market will be that great for him, at least not so much that the skins won't be able to resign him. He's servicable, but i think he is bust considerign where he was drafted. 8.What are we going to do about the wr position because it doesn't appear that the three amigos from last years draft are panning out and our starters are getting older? 9.RB is going to now be a position of need IMO. How to plug that in? Draft ... and FA's 10.Greg Blache will probably retire. Who becomes the new DC? I hope they stay in house, but you can't tell with this bunch. 11.How in the hell do we address all of the above with Vinny making the calls? you don't. you need someone with a plan, and someone with a freaking heart. someone that commands respect and someone that is not viewed as a lap dog. Somone that will keep snyder out of the football side of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stone Cold Posted October 11, 2009 Share Posted October 11, 2009 d.c. is where young playmakers go to die. period. enter your square peg into our round hole...what we do works. tired of seeing our youngsters (who, oh by the way, aren't sniffing a multimililon dollar paycheck) get minimal playing time or being played out of place. we saw it with lavar...when he had to "earn" time his rookie year playing behing greg jones...really? now with orakpo...being played at slb when he's clearly the most dominating player on the field when he plays with his hand down... tired tired tired...jc is horrible. really. no excuses. i feel bad for zorn. the dude is gonna get fired because his qb can't walk from here to there without falling down. really...he's a walking greek tragedy. we won't be successful until the owner (who i love btw) and the fans (yes fans...see "caps" if you have questions) embrace the fact that we're not a "jagr" or "haynesworth" away. we need to establish an identity with youth and we need to do it quickly. that is all i can type now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reaganaut Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I'm not an optimist, but le me put on my Nitrous mask and pretend: 1. As Matt Hasselbeck has told us, it takes at least three-four years for this offense to become automatic and successful. 2. We keep changing coaches all the time, why not just stick with one over the long term through thick and thin. 3. Jason Campbell has been in too many systems. Just stick with him and he will look much better in years three and four. We are only halfway there now. 4. Management will clearly address the offensive line problems in the offseason. We will use half the draft and then things will be all right. 5. Next year will be an uncapped year. We can really fix up the team with free agents and get rid of stale contracts to make this the best team talent wise in the NFL. 6. Cerrato has been making great defensive picks over the years. They just need to get lucky on the offensive side of the ball. 7. This is a division where teams can start off bad like the Skins and end up like the Giants by winning the Superbowl. Crazier things have happened... ------------------------------------ Ok, I've had enough. I'm starting to laugh to myself already. I feel dizzy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowhunter Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 He wanted an eternal optimists, not people on Qualudes.:doh: Wait everybody.. DeadMoney has something to contribute to the thread!! Oh Snap, no he doesn't:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hail Gibbs Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 10.Greg Blache will probably retire. Who becomes the new DC? Not an optimist, but I would like to see Jerry Grey in this position. As for the other questions posed, that is a lot of players/positions to upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snyderhastrillions Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I know we have a few glass half full folks here and I would like them to answer a few questions in regards to our fledgling team.1.Being that it is the hottest topic on here how will we fix the QB position? New QB or stick with Jason? I would probably say Shanahan brings in David Garrard or Derek Anderson, or in a crazy of crazy worlds, Donovan Mcnabb once the Eagles have another heartbreaking NFC Championship loss. I can already see the redskins giving up our 2nd rounder for mcnabb. He is nothing but a 4 year stop gap and injury prone at that but he is far better than what we have had at qb in years. 2.Let's face it Zorn is a sitting duck and will most likely be fired, but what coach is going to come in here and get us back to winning ways? I rather see new blood but as long as the defensive coaches stay intact I can live with shanahan. 3.How will we address the OL this offseason for youth and depth or will it be ignored again? First 2 rounds need to get offensive line starters. preferablty offensive tackles. 4.Will the coaching staff start playing players to their strength such as letting Rak put his down in the dirt for three downs. I think this will happen this season at some point. 5.Are we going to get an actual Strongside linebacker? I think HB Blades will take the spot once Orakpo moves and this will be addressed in the off season with another high priced free agent 6.Are we going to see a youth movement on the DL and replace the aging Daniels and Griffin? I like Griffin as a situational DT and Daniels as well but they are not everydown defensive lineman at this point in their careers. Still though defensive line is not a main need offensive line and QB are. 7.Are we going to re-sign Rogers and if not how are we going to replace a very good cover corner? Yes, I know he has hands of stone. I think this will depend on the development of Justin Tryon. 8.What are we going to do about the wr position because it doesn't appear that the three amigos from last years draft are panning out and our starters are getting older? I think if we had a better qb and more time to throw our receivers would like a whole hell of a lot better. 9.RB is going to now be a position of need IMO. How to plug that in? Portis has no running room and while he needs to take a pay cut he is not the problem the offensive line is. Also marcus mason is the heir apparent imo. 10.Greg Blache will probably retire. Who becomes the new DC? If Blache retires the guys love him and it will kill our defensive unity. 11.How in the hell do we address all of the above with Vinny making the calls? I think Snyder's desperation for an offensive genius will override his love for Vinny. I do not think Vinny is really that bad a GM to be honest. He is by no means a genius and it was not his call to bring in Jason Campbell. That was Joe Gibbs call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abdcskins Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 All the questions the OP brings up highlights just exactly how far we are from being a good team. I mean, look at all those problems! I think it needs to start with firing Vinny Cerrato, getting a new coach, then we can start drafting OL and whatnot. QB...I have no clue what we are going to do with that. Colt Brennan? I hate to say it but that seems to be the first answer. We have, A LOT of work to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade7 Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I know we have a few glass half full folks here and I would like them to answer a few questions in regards to our fledgling team.1.Being that it is the hottest topic on here how will we fix the QB position? New QB or stick with Jason? 2.Let's face it Zorn is a sitting duck and will most likely be fired, but what coach is going to come in here and get us back to winning ways? 3.How will we address the OL this offseason for youth and depth or will it be ignored again? 4.Will the coaching staff start playing players to their strength such as letting Rak put his down in the dirt for three downs. 5.Are we going to get an actual Strongside linebacker? 6.Are we going to see a youth movement on the DL and replace the aging Daniels and Griffin? 7.Are we going to re-sign Rogers and if not how are we going to replace a very good cover corner? Yes, I know he has hands of stone. 8.What are we going to do about the wr position because it doesn't appear that the three amigos from last years draft are panning out and our starters are getting older? 9.RB is going to now be a position of need IMO. How to plug that in? 10.Greg Blache will probably retire. Who becomes the new DC? 11.How in the hell do we address all of the above with Vinny making the calls? 1. Stick with JC. He may not be a HOF QB, but he's proven even in this system that with a quality offensive line he can win us football games. Our draft picks need to be focused on fixing the o-line, not wasted on developing another QB. People like Portis, Moss, London, and maybe even Haynesworth will be old and likely gone by the time we get another rookie QB to his prime. 2. You know, I really believe that 99.9% of the talk of replacing Zorn is speculation based on Snyder's past. He claims to have learned his lesson with firing coaches, so I'd like to see him give Zorn one more year before deciding this isn't going to work. He should've known what he was getting into with picking a guy who never called plays before and not getting him the people he needed to even execute his offense properly. I promise you Zorn will fail if he doesn't get a good enough o-line for him to execute his offense. It'll be another 5 years before we're talking about being competitve again if that happens. 3. We spent the last two offseasons addressing offensive skill position, pass rush, and defensive playmaking. I believe the oragnization as a whole can get away with focusing as much as they can on the offensive line this offseason. Sameuls, because of his contract and pedigree is the only player on the line that is safe, but I'd move him to RT. Thomas and Heyer are UFAs, so we should let them walk (ya, I'm about done with Heyer). I'm looking at the list of FAs next year and not seeing anybody that sticks out. http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=RB&y=2010 We'll have to see what's going on with our draft order and who is avaliable in the offseason before I can give you a definitive answer on that. I'll be here when that time comes around though, rest assured. The O-line will not be ignored again. Everyone knows that's what's holding us back more then anything else. 4. I have DVR, and what I see is Orakpo's hand down on 3rd down more often then not. The idea was that's what we were going to do because he's a better pass rusher at DE then cover guy at LB. I'd rather have him rushing the passer from the down position on 3rd then kicking McIntosh and London off the field, at it seems the coaching staff for the most part agrees. Every week I see a little something added to the offense to play to our players strengths (saw a roll out for the first time and more slants then usual). The fact still remains that we can't do what we wanna do because our o-line won't allow it. We can't use Cooley or Portis strength if they constantly have to be back to block, and that holds back the range of our playbook for everybody else as well. 5. No, we are not going to get an actual strong-side linebacker. Having Jarmon here is enough of an excuse to say "why bother getting rid of Ander Carter" and Jarmon will eventually take Daniels spot next season. This is Orakpo's first year, and he's proven he can get pressure at his natural and unnatural position. He will be a much more dynamic player for our defense if he gets the SLB position down pat for multiple reasons, most notably no one knows what he's going to do when he's on the field. Keep it, I have faith the pain will be worth the reward. 6. It's already begun with Jarmon and we were hoping Monty would get his head out his ass (but he didn't). I like Golston, but I want us to focus our early draft picks on o-line as much as possible. If we see someone in FA who's up and coming, we should try to squeeze him into the rotation. A late round steal wouldn't hurt either . Letting Canty go to NY was a mistake; I don't care if we got Haynesworth or not. 7. He's a better CB then most in the league even with those cinder block hands of his. He should be resigned and, if possible, paid more money then Hall was. We're the cap masters, and it would send the right message to other players on the team by doing so. 8. That's a tough question because of a lot of reasons. One, they're all second year players. Granted that's not a great excuse, but you can make an arguement that all three of them have contributed more in 5 games then they did all last season. Another year with a better o-line and I believe that they're contributions as a whole with the rest of the offense will be enough for us to start scoring points again. If after next year one of them starts regressing or it's obvious we just need more, then you make a move for a true #1 WR. WCO is about spreading the ball around, so we don't need one person to be dominant, we just need everyone to do their part to make it work. It's frustating as hell, but all three are very talented and I believe they all deserve one more year before we say it was a total faliure. 9. I don't believe that Portis is done, but we do need a RB faster then him to truely be the lightning to his thunder. I wouldn't use higher then a 3rd draft pick on a running back because we have more glaring needs then RB, imo, and we still have Marcus Mason on the roster. 10. I don't believe Blache is retiring after this season, but if he does, I believe Jerry Gray should take over to keep the continuity going. I don't like the idea of bringing on an entirely different system because there's no telling how long it will take our defense to catch hold on it. Again, I believe Blatche is staying and I want to keep the "blowing up" trigger finger on hold as much as possible. That's what successful franchises try to do, at least. 11. A lot of what needs to be addressed will be on the coaching staff after Snyderratto work the magic to make moves for the oline the way they did for the triplets, Haynesworth, and Orakpo. The majority of the issues with this football team stem from our inept offensive line and the horrid depth behind it. As bad as they look, I'll give the benift of the doubt to Vinny that even he isn't blind enough to miss that something has to be done about it. Our FO is capable of creating tidal waves, not just splashes. That's a huge reason why I love Synder, despite his many faults. But this is all entirly my opinion. I have been very wrong before. Hail anyway. Keep the faith... :helmet: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice_of_Reason Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 I'm a glass is half full guy. This glass is only 2/5 full of water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 All the questions the OP brings up highlights just exactly how far we are from being a good team. I mean, look at all those problems! I think it needs to start with firing Vinny Cerrato, getting a new coach, then we can start drafting OL and whatnot. QB...I have no clue what we are going to do with that. Colt Brennan? I hate to say it but that seems to be the first answer. We have, A LOT of work to do. I pointed out those problems after sitting and really thinking about the organization as a whole. We need a miracle worker. I'm pretty certain I left some areas of needs/problems out of the equatiion. Feel free to add them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePreciating Posted October 12, 2009 Share Posted October 12, 2009 1.Being that it is the hottest topic on here how will we fix the QB position? New QB or stick with Jason? New QB unless we are abandoning the WCO. Campbell's skills have improved, but his strength is not getting the ball out quickly. He reminds me of Ramsey too often. 2.Let's face it Zorn is a sitting duck and will most likely be fired, but what coach is going to come in here and get us back to winning ways? At this point, it's too difficult to judge the performance of the coaching staff. I don't know what a new coach would be expected to do. The kind of coach we need is the kind that will make players afraid to lose. I don't know who that is.....maybe Shanahan, but without other changes, Shanahan alone will solve nothing. Making him GM may even make things worse. 3.How will we address the OL this offseason for youth and depth or will it be ignored again? There is absolutely no chance it gets ignored. Even with no management changes, there is no chance Snyder puts himself through this again. The guy might not be a great football mind, and he's certainly stubborn, but this is now OBVIOUSLY the biggest weakness on the team. Last year, both lines were atrocious. I'm convinced we've actually fixed one of them, but we will need to replace Griff soon. Orakpo will be a full time DE next year if we can find an SLB. 4.Will the coaching staff start playing players to their strength such as letting Rak put his down in the dirt for three downs. See above. 5.Are we going to get an actual Strongside linebacker? See above. 6.Are we going to see a youth movement on the DL and replace the aging Daniels and Griffin?Yes, if we can. The OL will take the priority. We should not be reaching to grab linemen too early, but it's safe to say TE and P won't be drafted this year.:doh: 7.Are we going to re-sign Rogers and if not how are we going to replace a very good cover corner? Yes, I know he has hands of stone. I certainly hope so. I can't imagine letting him get away...he is the best cover corner on this team. If he could catch, he'd be on the Revis level. Not the Asomugha/Bailey level, but still. He's a perfectly serviceable number one corner. 8.What are we going to do about the wr position because it doesn't appear that the three amigos from last years draft are panning out and our starters are getting older? I'd hate to say it, but I think we need to hold off. Until we get a line that can block for a few seconds, I think it's STILL too early to close the door on Kelly or Thomas. However, Thomas should STILL be running laps for dropping that ball yesterday. 9.RB is going to now be a position of need IMO. How to plug that in?Again, I think we need to hold off another year here. Let's get an accurate picture of what Mason can do. Portis has another couple years in him. We can't afford to be drafting the next Adrian Peterson right now. Fundamentals first, then playmakers. Portis is plenty sufficient until we get a better squad to run behind. 10.Greg Blache will probably retire. Who becomes the new DC? I hope he doesn't retire. If he does, I don't think the next guy is on our staff. 11.How in the hell do we address all of the above with Vinny making the calls? And your final question, I'll answer here. I still support this team. I support our owner for spending the way he does. He wants to win. However, his own radio station, since 23 hours ago, has been hammering on the "GET A GM" chorus all day. I am fully on that bandwagon. I believe we have done as well as can be done with our current philosophy. Both sides of the ball have had time to gel. The defense steps up, but the offense steps back. This ragtag group of starters on our offensive line would be in serious trouble against a Florida or an LSU. That is utterly unacceptable. I did not realize that the dropoff in our talent was as huge as it was. Those undrafted players we're developing are just bodies. It is clear we had no intention of those guys ever playing a down. Last week, it was too early to put the nail in the coffin. This week, go ahead and put the nail in, and go ahead and bury the coffin. We just have to hope our next GM can give us a serviceable offense in a quick enough time frame for our defense to be top notch. This doesn't need to be a decade-long rebuild, but unless we start while our defense is hot, we'll never catch up. Our O must come together before our D falls apart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingGibbs Posted October 12, 2009 Author Share Posted October 12, 2009 And your final question, I'll answer here.I still support this team. I support our owner for spending the way he does. He wants to win. However, his own radio station, since 23 hours ago, has been hammering on the "GET A GM" chorus all day. I am fully on that bandwagon. I believe we have done as well as can be done with our current philosophy. Both sides of the ball have had time to gel. The defense steps up, but the offense steps back. This ragtag group of starters on our offensive line would be in serious trouble against a Florida or an LSU. That is utterly unacceptable. I did not realize that the dropoff in our talent was as huge as it was. Those undrafted players we're developing are just bodies. It is clear we had no intention of those guys ever playing a down. Last week, it was too early to put the nail in the coffin. This week, go ahead and put the nail in, and go ahead and bury the coffin. We just have to hope our next GM can give us a serviceable offense in a quick enough time frame for our defense to be top notch. This doesn't need to be a decade-long rebuild, but unless we start while our defense is hot, we'll never catch up. Our O must come together before our D falls apart. Alright, who the hell hijacked TheP's account? Great responses and sometimes it takes others a little bit longer for their backs to be broken. Welcome to the dark side.:evilg: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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