skinfan133 Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 that's the difference between conservatives and liberals. Libs are honest. admit it, if cheney had won one you guys would be doing backflips to rationalize and defend it. edit: nm, the caps lock prevent feature is pissing me off. &*T^%$#W%^&*()** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Well, at least you and the Taliban agree on something. Excellent strawman Bac! Do you really think with launching a cross border war, escalating Afghanistan in general, and maintaining the status quo in Iraq, that it is practically easing tensions in the Muslim world Opinion of the US is at an all time low in Pakistan. Kind of an important Muslim country these days, don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 And to those of you say that the speeches don't matter, they may. Dr. King's- I have a Dream Lincoln's - Gettysburg Address Paine's - Common Sense A speech can change the world and have a profound impact at how we look and understand it. That said, while Obama actually has given a couple of really dynamic and powerful speeches, I don't know if or how they will ripple through the world and change the dialogue, thoughts, or actions. His inauguration speech was a profound and wonderful vision, but the fruit of that vision is what we don't know about yet. If Dr. King gave his speech and led his marches and nothing changed, then the speech was irrelevent regardless of the degree of truth or beauty therein, but if people do hear it and think about it and respond to it... then the pen is far mightier than the sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Who would've thought that Obama not deserving winning the Nobel Peace Prize is one of the only things that all sides could agree on?:laugh: It didnt last. bummer:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aREDSKIN Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Yeah, you care so little about it you rushed to this thread and posted on it.Well, as I just posted a second ago, Obama won it for "initiatives to reduce nuclear arms, ease tensions with the Muslim world and stress diplomacy and cooperation rather than unilateralism." That sounds like a solid enough reason for me. Yep, I can see your POV. Obama the peace maker where this organization has REFUSED to award it to Gandhi. Yep that makes perfect sense. I have more issues with the Nobel organization itself than BO winning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 You might want to read the thread man.Until you came in, EVERYONE agreed that he shouldnt have won the award, regardless of their poliyical leanings. There was literally zero left vs right hackery until you arrived. A bit of a disingenuous response, my friend. The Left want more from Obama; that is why some are not happy with him. The Right are only attacking him because they don't like him. THAT is why there was some agreement from some Lefties and some Righties. That is what you do not get: It isn't as if the right-wing are attacking him for not enough "peace efforts," which is the criticism from some on the Left. The Right do not give a rats ass for the prize or for the reasoning to why someone would receive this prize. They have ZERO credibility in my eyes on this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Why didn't you respond to my post? Why do you think I am being dishonest? I will post this list AGAIN: http://nobelprizes.com/nobel/peace/peace.html In the context of these past winners, WHY is it surprising that Obama won a prize for his outreach efforts? Do we really think Obama has to stop several wars across the globe before he receives the prize? Really, the responses here are silly. You're own link makes the point for me. 2009 The prize goes to:BARACK OBAMA for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. 2008 The prize goes to: MARTTI AHTISAARI for his important efforts, on several continents and over more than three decades, to resolve international conflicts. There is only one reason that Obama deserves this award in the eyes of the committee... He's not Bush. :doh: Let's see what Obama himself says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 A bit of a disingenuous response, my friend.The Left want more from Obama; that is why some are not happy with him. The Right are only attacking him because they don't like him. THAT is why there was some agreement from some Lefties and some Righties. That is what you do not get: It isn't as if the right-wing are attacking him for not enough "peace efforts," which is the criticism from some on the Left. The Right do not give a rats ass for the prize or for the reasoning to why someone would receive this prize. They have ZERO credibility in my eyes on this matter. again, read the freaking thread. Hey Burgold, what was that about the left typically being more honest in calling out this type of stuff again? "Originally Posted by burgold that's the difference between conservatives and liberals. Libs are honest. " LOL LOL, I know Bac doesnt represent the entire left, but thought it was kind of funny that it blew up just after you had posted that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Yep, I can see your POV. Obama the peace maker where this organization has REFUSED to award it to Gandhi. Yep that makes perfect sense. I have more issues with the Nobel organization itself than BO winning it. Gandhi was not awarded the prize becaues he was dead. But hey, red herrings are really useful, aren't they? I noticed that you and other conservatives are incapable of answering a basic question: Why do YOU even care about this issue? I have asked this a few times, and none of you cannot even answer it. It demonstrates that your responses are rubbishy and a load of poppy****. I really cannot take your responses very seriously, can I, in this context? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimmySmith Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Gandhi was not awarded the prize becaues he was dead. But hey, red herrings are really useful, aren't they?I noticed that you and other conservatives are incapable of answering a basic question: Why do YOU even care about this issue? I have asked this a few times, and none of you cannot even answer it. It demonstrates that your responses are rubbishy and a load of poppy****. I really cannot take your responses very seriously, can I, in this context? Perhaps you can get the ball rolling with why this matter is so incredibly dear to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Obama - "to be honest I do not feel that I deserve [the award]". Great speech. I do like the man even though I don't always agree with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 You're own link makes the point for me.There is only one reason that Obama deserves this award in the eyes of the committee... He's not Bush. :doh: Let's see what Obama himself says. And what did Bush do to deserve it? He started TWO WARS. Good grief. Why do you even care about this award? You have supported past war efforts -- you are not exactly a peacenik nor do you even put any stock into peace and cooperation. Really, the responses from some of you are puzzling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljs Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 um, not sure what to say...I can think of a **** ton of other people who deserve it way more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Hey Burgold, what was that about the left typically being more honest in calling out this type of stuff again? "Originally Posted by burgold that's the difference between conservatives and liberals. Libs are honest. " LOL, I know Bac doesnt represent the entire left, but thought it was kind of funny that it blew up just after you had posted that. Well, actually it was several pages after... (Besides, Bac is a failed conservative and every so often those old conservative impulses flare up) A bit of a disingenuous response, my friend.The Left want more from Obama; that is why some are not happy with him. The Right are only attacking him because they don't like him. THAT is why there was some agreement from some Lefties and some Righties. I do think that there is some truth to that. I don't buy Bac's argument that he is worthy because he was the best of a weak field this year. Is he wrong that Obama has met some of the qualifications? I don't think so, but for this award in my mind there ought to be something accomplished at a certain level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 And what did Bush do to deserve it? He started TWO WARS.Good grief. Why do you even care about this award? You have supported past war efforts -- you are not exactly a peacenik nor do you even put any stock into peace and cooperation. Really, the responses from some of you are puzzling. And this President has expanded a war in Pakistan, and is escalating Afghanistan :whoknows: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Perhaps you can get the ball rolling with why this matter is so incredibly dear to you. It is easy -- I supported his efforts this year in reaching out to the Muslim world, in working with Russia to reduce nuclear arms, and in working in several regions for better relations in nations. As I said, these are the same efforts that have earned him the dire of right-wingers. The same right-wingers who do not give a damn about "international relations." The same people who condemned him for his efforts. The same people who are condemning him for winning this award. I am not going to let these hypocrites make a bunch of noise without a response. I value much more the opinion of those folks who DO value peace and the spirit of international cooperation. It is really that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Dumbest thing the GOP can do, is go with the outrage bit. They should have just ignored it. Let it simmer for a week...and moved on. Now you have them cheering when the US didn't get the Olympics, and booing when the American President gets a Nobel Peace Prize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljs Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 It is easy -- I supported his efforts this year in reaching out to the Muslim world, in working with Russia to reduce nuclear arms, and in working in several regions for better relations in nations. As I said, these are the same efforts that have earned him the dire of right-wingers. The same right-wingers who do not give a damn about " international relations." The same people who condemned him for his efforts. The same people who are condemning him for winning it. I am not going to let these hypocrites make a bunch of noise without a response. and you know what the muslims reaction has been- basically telling Obama to **** off. They don't give a **** about America, no matter who is president, no matter their skin color, no matter their political affiliation. Nice try Obama, but they don't care- they still want us all dead. some people need to wake up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 Well, actually it was several pages after... (Besides, Bac is a failed conservative and every so often those old conservative impulses flare up) LOL. A bit true on that. I don't buy Bac's argument that he is worthy because he was the best of a weak field this year. Is he wrong that Obama has met some of the qualifications? I don't think so, but for this award in my mind there ought to be something accomplished at a certain level. Well, I never said he was the best, mind you. I am sure there were other candidates, but I am not informed enough to name other folks -- can you (without research)? I asked for other names and I have yet to see any from previous posts. Often the peace prize is awarded for efforts, as a note. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Mike Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 And what did Bush do to deserve it? He started TWO WARS.Good grief. Why do you even care about this award? You have supported past war efforts -- you are not exactly a peacenik nor do you even put any stock into peace and cooperation. Really, the responses from some of you are puzzling. A) I never said Bush deserved the award. Reading *IS* fundamental. I supported a war that removed a ruthless dictator that started several wars on his own, supported terrorism on a massive scale, committed genocide against his own people and let his sons terrorize his people and torture his own Olympic team. Wow. That must make me an evil war monger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The 12th Commandment Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 and you know what the muslims reaction has been- basically telling Obama to **** off. They don't give a **** about America, no matter who is president, no matter their skin color, no matter their political affiliation. Nice try Obama, but they don't care- they still want us all dead. some people need to wake up. They don't have a "You tried and now you can blow them up award". Plus, those are rather broad strokes you're using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 and you know what the muslims reaction has been- basically telling Obama to **** off. They don't give a **** about America, no matter who is president, no matter their skin color, no matter their political affiliation. Nice try Obama, but they don't care- they still want us all dead. some people need to wake up. That's rubbish. Now you are just painting all Muslims with a broad stroke. You do not know a lot about the Muslim world, do you? About the youth in Iran? Albania? Our allies in Turkey? Or when the President of Palestine came to the U.S. and spoke with Obama? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 and you know what the muslims reaction has been- basically telling Obama to **** off. They don't give a **** about America, no matter who is president, no matter their skin color, no matter their political affiliation. Nice try Obama, but they don't care- they still want us all dead. some people need to wake up. And that's why he hasn't earned it... yet. He is planting seeds for peace. He is changing the culture of the dialogue and within a better context it's possible reason may flourish and there could be an increase in peace. That's an exciting possibility, but as of yet it isn't reality. I don't think that you should award the Nobel on the possibility of peace, but rather a tangible accomplishment towards those ends. Still, this is cool for the U.S. and Obama. It's not Obama's fault that he has been recognized. It's just an honor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aREDSKIN Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 I noticed that you and other conservatives are incapable of answering a basic question: Why do YOU even care about this issue? I have asked this a few times, and none of you cannot even answer it. It demonstrates that your responses are rubbishy and a load of poppy****. I really cannot take your responses very seriously, can I, in this context? Obviously, we have hit a nerve because this is really a undeserved award IMO. But this is private organization which can do whatever they want but the heat they are getting seems to indicate the silliness of this award is resonating with many. Figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ljs Posted October 9, 2009 Share Posted October 9, 2009 They don't have a "You tried and now you can blow them up award". haha, thats actually funny, at least you're not one of the angry ones on here- I have no issue with Obama trying- but here's the thing- he made a speech or two. So? Many others have done much much more than that- I just think its a bit premature to give him this award at this point. and Baculus- I'm not an idiot- and thanks for continuing to "brush with a broad stroke"- all people who may disagree with Obama as Conservative Republican idiots...how about you try practicing what you preach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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