AAARedskin Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Chris Carter mentioned that teams are stacking the box when he talked about the Tampa game and how poorly Campbell has progressed since his rookie season. This is what happens when teams are confident that the opposing QB cannot beat them with his arm, etc. They feel if they can stop the run and blitz, they have a decent chance at winning.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maskedsuperstar Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Teams haven't been playing 8 in the box. Skins have been successful moving the ball between the 20's. In fact, they are in the top 10. We know the redzone offense has killed the team. I'm hoping the team moves away from Portis. It seems the team is having more success throwing the football, which is what the WCO is all about. Offense must keep opposing defenses guessing. I think Zorn gets caught up pleasing Portis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 There was a thread last week about a "tell" the offense has. It said that watching a Redskins game live, we spend about twice as long in the huddle for passing plays as we do for running plays. I really wonder if that is true, and if so if other teams are really using it. It would be such an easy formula for success. If they see the Redskins in and out of the huddle quickly, linebackers and safeties play way up close. CBs tighten up on the WRs. If it is true it would definitely explain why our running game has been so bad this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePreciating Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Our passing game is much better than our running game, even with no production from our new guys. CP no longer scares people. If anything, teams are dropping back into coverage. Tampa brought a safety down on one play, and Moss burned them for a TD on the same play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pastha40 Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Our passing game is much better than our running game, even with no production from our new guys. CP no longer scares people. If anything, teams are dropping back into coverage. Tampa brought a safety down on one play, and Moss burned them for a TD on the same play. Yea pretty much. The o line isnt doing a good job of run blocking. During the next game, look and see how much "push" we get of either side of the line. More than half the plays there is no push; when there is a crease Portis will do his signature fall forward move after 7 or 8 yards. Skins MUST take a right tackle in the first round next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aghar Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Our passing game is much better than our running game, even with no production from our new guys. CP no longer scares people. If anything, teams are dropping back into coverage. Tampa brought a safety down on one play, and Moss burned them for a TD on the same play. Nonsense! They brought a safety down many times. You just think the one time Campbell actually beat them over the top with a good throw was the only time. He needs to burn teams consistently when they come down, check off the damn run play and throw over the top when coverage is 1 vs 1 with GOOD throws. Until he does that no one will be scared of Campbell. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubynj Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Part of the problem first and foremost is our backs esp portis don't hit the holes fast enough.Second a lot of teams know were playing a zone blocking style when we run.Add in the predictable downs in which we run and its almost too easy for the defensive lineman to shoot those gaps zone blocking leaves. Portis also goes down too easy at times..is he afraid of getting hurt?He trips over his own feet and the linemans too. If teams aren't stacking the box on us...they are definatly playing their linebackers as close to the line of scrimage as they can.I notice nearly every team on every down does this to us.They play linebackers in the gaps pre snap and let them recover downfield due to jasons inability to make quick reads.they can stop the run easier if we run,and are in passing lanes to stop campbell or at least making it look like there putting pressure. Our oline sometimes fails to block the defensive line because jason calls protection to stop linebackers. Watch the game sunday...jon beason will be in the a gap nearly every pre snap...if we run he's there if we don't he will backpedal towards cooley...bank on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan since a Fetus Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Thats a good response, thanks. I like when people actually talk football rather than give smart *** replies. I believe this deserved a thread of its own, because there is a lot to discuss when it comes to how teams are attacking us, rather than how we're attacking them. That is what this board does and I think this thread is fine. It is better than another 'how many backup Qb's are better than Candle' threads. That means they were only rushing 4 and still getting to us, which is sad. That also means our 5 lineman cant outblock 4 DL to give CP a hole to run through, which is also sad. Campbell still played bad, i'm not excusing his poor performance. Our team made Gaines Adams look like a HOFer in the first half. I was watching playbook the other day and they showed Adams getting stuffed by Tight Ends. They went on to say that if you are a DE and facing a TE one on one and you are not winning that matchup, then you are not very good. I think it was Samuels blocking him also. I could be wrong about this, but I am pretty sure it was. I would have rather had Oher than Orakpo, all day. This would have helped our run game/pass blocking, and Jarmon could have been DE. At the time we drafted Rak, we didn't know we would have Jarmon. I think we should have drafted Oher, just because our defense is so safe. We don't attack, so I think guys such as Haynesworth and Orakpo are pointless additions. We can play safe with many other guys that are out there. Oher would have been an immediate upgrade, and with the holes that Portis is getting, we need some maulers on that line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 We stack boxes in our own way. Yanking Mason and putting in Betts telegraphs a pass. Going with one wide in third and long, showing a heavy run formation, then trying the halfback pass? The defense was thinking pass regardless of our formation. They are not stacking the boxes. We are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devastate Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 I honestly haven't noticed much stacking of the box outside of the Giants game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePreciating Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Nonsense! They brought a safety down many times. You just think the one time Campbell actually beat them over the top with a good throw was the only time. He needs to burn teams consistently when they come down, check off the damn run play and throw over the top when coverage is 1 vs 1 with GOOD throws. Until he does that no one will be scared of Campbell. Period. You can say nonsense all you want. I saw it with my own eyes at the game 20 rows off the field. Tampa brings a safety down finally. I turn to my friend and say "watch Moss here." Touchdown. I don't know what game you watched, but that's the only play I remember Tampa bringing a safety down. I saw cover-2 shell all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bikie Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 having listened to tim ryan (the color analysts on our buc and lions game) break down our film in detail, never once heard him mention teams stacking the box against us... his notes on the failure of our running game were primarily cooley's inability to block ends or backers, and rhinehart and heyer's limitations in allowing us to go to the right... he did note an uncanny ability of safeties to buzz down into the correct gap but as a read and react, not keying the run... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirClintonPortis Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 You don't NEED to stack the box if the D-linemen win their battles at the point of attack, and yes, the opposing D-linemen have been winning those battles and thus no stacking needed. It's a D-coordinator's dream to not stack the box and still stuff the run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icbmayday Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 It seems like Jason never audibles, as if the Coach tells him not too. The box is constantly stacked and we constantly run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 SirClinton is right. You don't need to stack the box to play the run. If you look at the Bucs and how they played. Yes cover-2, but the safeties were cheating on run. Lined up about 10-15 yards off the line. Compare that to the Man-2 that Blache runs, with the free safety 30 yards off the line, and the Strong Safety maybe 15 sometimes 20 yards off. Teams that play us are thinking stop the run first. Every team we have played this season has done that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rubynj Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 For those of you who want oher...I think Rak is leading the team in sacks with 2 this year. He's only gonna get better guys. Whatever tackle we would've drafted would not be starting and contributing at this point. I still agree we need to address the line but I felt like Orakpo shouldn't have been there and regardless that was also a need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polywog999 Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 Why would teams need to stack the box against us! Are we that good? Despite what fans say, Campbell can beat you if play too tight to the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 For those of you who want oher...I think Rak is leading the team in sacks with 2 this year. He's only gonna get better guys. Whatever tackle we would've drafted would not be starting and contributing at this point. I still agree we need to address the line but I felt like Orakpo shouldn't have been there and regardless that was also a need. Orakpo could be doing so much more as a full time DE. Think Jared Allen (OK he's not 6'6" but the guy is strong as an Ox) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aghar Posted October 8, 2009 Share Posted October 8, 2009 You can say nonsense all you want. I saw it with my own eyes at the game 20 rows off the field.Tampa brings a safety down finally. I turn to my friend and say "watch Moss here." Touchdown. I don't know what game you watched, but that's the only play I remember Tampa bringing a safety down. I saw cover-2 shell all day. I saw it as well. I guess we agree to disagree. Yes, I saw cover-2 shell, but not one where the FS is in center field and the SS is still 20 yards off the ball. When I see safeties 10-12 yards off the ball I consider this stacking the box against the run. You can argue whether this is the correct terminology or not all you want but the Bucs clearly guessed correctly more times than not on our run plays with the exception of that play to Moss. No one fears JC because, as another poster explained, he cannot correctly read the defense yet an check off the run play and burn them consistently. That's a problem. Combine that with Zorn's predictable playcalling, and the product on the field is exactly what it has been all season so far. Horrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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