Yeen80 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 This guy was my favorite player and arguablly the most popular guy on the team from '01-'05. Where did the downfall begin? I remember that strange 2005 season when Lavar was DNP'd for a handful of games although he was perfectly healthy during the first half of the season. He even played special teams for a few of those games until he started contributing during the stretch run to the playoffs. I still dont know how things went sour in such a short period of time. I know he had beef with the signing bonus back in 2003, but that cant be the sole reason. Do you guys know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#98QBKiller Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 He had a beef with one of the position coaches because he didn't stick to his assignments and made plays from instinct (similar to what Sean Taylor did to Gregg Williams, although GW appreciated the big plays) and I think it snowballed from there. Lavar was and will always be one of my favorite players, I hate that things ended the way they did with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dockeryfan Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Dale Lindsey happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMOSS89 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Well, '03 was certainly a start. In addition, Gregg Williams and Dale Lindsey (the linebackers coach at the time) really did not like the fact that Lavar was a free lancer. So you got the owner stiffing him on a contract, the coaches stiffing him for being a free lancer. Then you got tons of reported incidents where him and Dale Lindsay would shout at each other, I remember stories of Lavar running into the shower after games cursing at Lindsey, saying stuff like "just treat me like a man!". Gibbs seemed to have sided with the coaches, and Lavar resented that, because he thought Joe Gibbs would have his back, but Gibbs did not wish to go against the rest of the defensive staff and seem like he was trying to tell them what to do, I guess. So then Lavar bought out of his contract, bitter as ever. And here we are. At least, I think that's the story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky21 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Direct quote from Lavar Arrington: “I'm out here to play ball. But when you try to take advantage of me, and go against my principles, then there's a problem. I wasn't raised where if somebody cheats you or lies to you, you let it pass. I've learned a valuable lesson: I know not to trust the Redskins’ front office.” He also said about Dan Snyder, “You can own a team and not be what Redskins really means. You can be a part of an organization and not really embody what it really means and I realize that.” “I now can honestly say that why would things ever change for our team when he has no respect for employees or fans and we have none for him?” – Lavar Arrington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forehead Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I personally always thought Lavar got a bit of a raw deal from Dale Lindsay and Gregg Williams, but I know that's an unpopular opinion around here. Guy was a solid ballplayer and a great presence on the field for us. He should still be wearing our uniform right now, hell he's the same age as Chris Samuels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeen80 Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 I too am disappointed the way things ended between him and the Skins. He was the face of the franchise and I thought he'd be a lifelong Redskin but from what it seems the coaching staff and the front office essentially stabbed him in the back and turned against him? Sure he missed assignments, I wont argue that, but he damn sure made offenses fear him as they did Sean Taylor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FEF Law Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I'm kinda surprised that Lavar really never surfaced anywhere else? Did he ever have any serious injuries that ended his career? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirClintonPortis Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I'm kinda surprised that Lavar really never surfaced anywhere else? Did he ever have any serious injuries that ended his career? A ruptured Achilles and motorcycle accident did him in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeen80 Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 I'm kinda surprised that Lavar really never surfaced anywhere else? Did he ever have any serious injuries that ended his career? He only played 1/2 a season more in 2006 with the Giants before getting hurt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMVSkins Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Letting Lavar go was an Epic Fail for us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phixius Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I still have his authentic jersey and don't plan on ever wearing it or selling it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan T. Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Lavar Arrington is convinced that Dan Snyder cheated him out of 6.5 million dollars. He claims that they agreed on a contract, but that Snyder switched contracts just before the signing. He and his agents, thinking they were signing the contract already agreed upon, scanned the contract only briefly, content that they were seeing the same thing they had already meticulously negotiated. Little did they know that Snyder changed it in key places at the last minute and, voila, Snyder saves himself six point five million dollars. That's Arrington's side of the story, and he's convinced it happened. So if he harbors bitterness, there's no wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Like others said it was mostly Dale Lindsey's doing. The thing that sucked was that Gibbs backed Lindsey in the whole LaVar dispute and then went ahead and fired him after 2006. If he only did it a year early. The other thing is of course the injury LaVar had in 2004. LaVar was looking like he was going to flourish in GW's new system and was an absolute beast. I still maintain that GW's defense looked it's nastiest in the first half of the final preseason game against Atlanta. The Falcons were trying to get Vick some snaps and ready for the regular season and GW would have none of it and just sent the dogs (pun intended) after Vick. LaVar and company just put a beating on him. So much so that the Falcons abandoned the plan and pulled Vick early. It was beautiful. What could have been. Then LaVar got hurt. Tried to come back early to help the team and further hurt himself. Still wasn't all the way back in 2005 (but it was still an insult and a joke that Warrick Holdman was starting in front of him. LaVar at 70 percent is better than Warrick freaking Holdman aka Highway 57) and then LaVar started taking his beef public and that sealed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 First the Earth cooled, then the dinosaurs died, then Joe Gibbs returned and suddenly Arrington was no longer out-front of everything. He said Joe Gibbs had to "show him something," as if he was the be-all, end-all of the NFL. Arrington's Agents are morons who actually believed LaVar was to get two roster bonus amounts of $6.5m on the same day. They convinced him of it, ding dong thinks the contract got switched or a Jedi mind trick got put on them and he has had a chip ever since. Nevermind the fact that at least one of his Agents is no longer allowed to practice in (at least) the NFL. It makes no sense. I mean... why not just one $13m roster bonus. There was about a 0% chance he'd ever see it, anyway, since this FO winds up restructuring before a roster bonus half that size (heh... ) gets doled out so the player gets more up-front money. Then, I assume because of all the action that occurred with the NFLPA because of it, Arrington winds up in Snyder's ****house. Then he winds up in Dale Lindsay's ****house. Then he buys out his contract, goes to New York, gets hurt, goes home, wraps his bike around a guardrail and sayonara career. The whole injury thing here was him saying he was ready and the team held him back, then they put him in and he ****ed that they rushed him. If you look up "Sybil" in the dictionary, you'll see his ugly mug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoRUSupposed2Be Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 An ignorant and spoil child by the name of Dan Snyder happened?! But, there's been some change since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFKFedEx Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Lavar was never as good of NFL player as his salary and draft position would have indicated. When Danny finally realized this under Gibbs it was too late for Lavar. Lavar was paid more than Ray Lewis when he got his extension in 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ax Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 LaVar got his panties in a bunch the moment Joe Gibbs returned. He instinctively knew he was no longer top dog in Redskin land. He further resented the fact that the new coaching staff was installing a "maintain your gap" system, and "that goes for you too LaVar" team concept. Team, being an alien concept to Mr. Me. The final straw came with the drafting, and instant love affair of one Sean Taylor. So envious of Sean, was he, that he had to interrupt a tv interview with the kid by punkin' him with the ole shaving cream pie. He'd never done it to any player before, or after. Sean was another threat to him being King. So, knowing that he couldn't handle NOT being top dog anymore, he invented a mythical $6.5 million rip off from management, and then called everybody in the organization a liar, for telling the truth, just so he could leave. To his credit, his worshipers are amongst the most dedicated in the history of fandom. WC Fields had them all pegged. That's basically what happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RFKFedEx Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 To his credit, his worshipers are amongst the most dedicated in the history of fandom. :laugh: Sad but true. But to a generation too young to remember the SBs, I can see why people got so excited over one player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongshot Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 While he was technically healthy in 2005, he still wasn't right according to the coaches, and Lavar even admitted it after he started playing again. Even when he came back, tho, it was obvious that he wasn't the same player he used to be. Considering that he was a player who got more from his natural ability rather than being a student of the game, once his natural talents deserted him, his career was over. Personally, I'll never forgive him for trashing the FO right before the Eagles game at the end of the season. Whether his beef was true or not, it wasn't right to do right before a game where the team was fighting for their playoff lives. It was selfish and detracted from what the team was trying to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirk Diggler Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 He claims that they agreed on a contract, but that Snyder switched contracts just before the signing. I'm sure Lavar believes in Santa Claus and the tooth fairy as well. Snyder is a lot of things, but stingy with the $$$? Come on. He's bent over backwards to overpay every star player we've ever had. Snyder has had multiple cases of chronic player worship over the past decade but he singles out Arrington the "face of the franchise" to cheat? Sorry, aint buying it. Ultimately, Arrington has clashed with every coach he's ever had except Schottenheimer. Yet, due to the same player worship that infects Snyder, some fans of Lavar will still believe that every coach is wrong - and Lavar is right. Sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyHolt Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 it was obvious from day 1 that we were not going to be using him properly. We never even let him try to block kicks, heck not even extra points before the 2pt conversion came back. The Lavar leap never materialized in the NFL and we all know that was not his doing. He was a stud. I will always remember him ending Troy Ache'n's career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ntotoro Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 While he was technically healthy in 2005, he still wasn't right according to the coaches, and Lavar even admitted it after he started playing again. Even when he came back, tho, it was obvious that he wasn't the same player he used to be. Considering that he was a player who got more from his natural ability rather than being a student of the game, once his natural talents deserted him, his career was over. Even barring the injury, he was in horrid shape and looked like it. Not only in his actual physical shape, but his speed and etcetera. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scruffylookin Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 The final straw came with the drafting, and instant love affair of one Sean Taylor. So envious of Sean, was he, that he had to interrupt a tv interview with the kid by punkin' him with the ole shaving cream pie. He'd never done it to any player before, or after. Sean was another threat to him being King. Utter nonsense. LaVar was by far more popular than Sean Taylor. Sean was no threat to LaVar's "kingdom". Anyone who went to training camp from 2000-2005 can attest to who the most popular Redskin was. Anyone at that 49er game in 2005 when LaVar finally got on the field and got one of the loudest ovations in recent memory can attest to LaVar's popularity. LaVar did a shaving cream pie prank on Sean because LaVar took a liking to Sean and took him under his wing or did you choose to forget that? It was LaVar who was pumping Sean up after Sean did not start the Bucs game in 2004 and was visibly upset. LaVar was Sean's biggest proponent. But I guess that was only because LaVar was jealous of him.:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeen80 Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 Utter nonsense.LaVar was by far more popular than Sean Taylor. Sean was no threat to LaVar's "kingdom". Anyone who went to training camp from 2000-2005 can attest to who the most popular Redskin was. Anyone at that 49er game in 2005 when LaVar finally got on the field and got one of the loudest ovations in recent memory can attest to LaVar's popularity. LaVar did a shaving cream pie prank on Sean because LaVar took a liking to Sean and took him under his wing or did you choose to forget that? It was LaVar who was pumping Sean up after Sean did not start the Bucs game in 2004 and was visibly upset. LaVar was Sean's biggest proponent. But I guess that was only because LaVar was jealous of him.:doh: I agree. In 2004, Lavar was still the most popular player on the team so I disagree with that statement. It just seemed so suspicious how everything fell apart. Something still isnt right with the way everything was handled Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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