ZoEd Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33204195/ns/us_news-washington_post ARCATA, Calif. - Stiff competition from thousands of mom-and-pop marijuana farmers in the United States threatens the bottom line for powerful Mexican drug organizations in a way that decades of arrests and seizures have not, according to law enforcement officials and pot growers in the United States and Mexico. Illicit pot production in the United States has been increasing steadily for decades. But recent changes in state laws that allow the use and cultivation of marijuana for medical purposes are giving U.S. growers a competitive advantage, challenging the traditional dominance of the Mexican traffickers, who once made brands such as Acapulco Gold the standard for quality. Almost all of the marijuana consumed in the multibillion-dollar U.S. market once came from Mexico or Colombia. Now as much as half is produced domestically, often by small-scale operators who painstakingly tend greenhouses and indoor gardens to produce the more potent, and expensive, product that consumers now demand, according to authorities and marijuana dealers on both sides of the border. Many have stated this several times here on ES in regards to the affect legalization would have on the Mexican Cartels and the violence associated with the trafficking of pot. Wonder what the gov't will do with this nugget? Probably nothing because the politicians all have their finger in the "war on drugs" pie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 God Bless America! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokerPacker Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 the title made it sound like the cartels were extorting mom-and-pop growers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 legalize it already so we can dominate the global weed trade. VA with it's rich history of growing tobacco could transition to marijuana quickly and to the tune of millions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoEd Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 I know I've stated this before here on ES but it's been a while. Several years ago I remember reading an article where a politician in CA proposed a plan for taxing the use of, not the sale, of MJ. His proposal was to require people who want to use pot to purchase a tax card for lets say $100. This card would allow said person to use, grow and possess a pre determined amount of pot for personal use. If you're caught with possessing pot without said tax card it carries a moderate fine that escalates with repeat offenses. I think this makes much more sense than trying to package and sell it like tobacco and alcohol. I can't imagine going into the 7/11 and buying a pack of northern lights filled with all kinds of addictive chemicals. Let people grow it themselves and sit up cafe's like they have in Amsterdam. Take the revenue from the tax card coupled with the money saved by eliminating the pot piece from the "war on drugs" and use it to fund treatment and control of the real drugs like meth and heroin. Let's face it, pot isn't the drug destroying peoples lives and putting people on the streets. Quit demonizing it and let find a way to take advantage of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoEd Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 the title made it sound like the cartels were extorting mom-and-pop growers. I'll add "into" but it's the title MSNBC posted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostofSparta Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Amen! Legalize it for medicinal purposes nationwide (as a start), and let people get clearance to grow it, but then let them grow it. This really shouldn't be that hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoEd Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 Amen! Legalize it for medicinal purposes nationwide (as a start), and let people get clearance to grow it, but then let them grow it. This really shouldn't be that hard. I agree 100%! We need to do something in this country with this supposed war on drugs. What we've been doing for the past 50+ years obviously isn't working so why not take a different direction? I've already said this time and time again here on ES; alcohol is by far the most destructive drug in America. Hell, in the world. Yet it's legal because the gov't has it's hands in every aspect of it from treatment to taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoney26 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 legalize it already so we can dominate the global weed trade. Va with it's rich history of growing tobacco could transition to marijuana quickly and to the tune of billions! fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drop Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 legalize it already so we can dominate the global weed trade. VA with it's rich history of growing tobacco could transition to marijuana quickly and to the tune of millions! no need to transition. marijuana is already a bigger cash crop in Virginia than tobacco. now i haven't looked at the numbers lately, and the best i could find for now is this link.... http://www.drugscience.org/Archive/bcr2/cashcrops.html but as of 2005, that shows us that tobacco isn't even in Virginia's top 3 cash crops....cannabis however, is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 VA already grows a ton of weed. A lot of other states do too. Legalize it and tax it. It would take like 10 years tops to erase our deficit and debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 How interesting it would be if legal, locally grown MJ ended up being exported to mexico. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destino Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 How interesting it would be if legal, locally grown MJ ended up being exported to mexico. I believe they decriminalized it so the market is waiting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I believe they decriminalized it so the market is waiting win win (and for some here WIN!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGoodBits Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Is it just me or does it really seem like legalizing marijuana has far more support than many would lead us to believe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoEd Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 I believe they decriminalized it so the market is waiting Most countries are known for exporting something. Japanese car's and electronics. Chinese electronics, cheap products Taiwan and it's textiles Germany and it's beer Sweden and it's hot chicks Russian Vodka Mexico and it's food Why can't American be known for something besides it's pompous politicians? How cool would it be to be known as the pot capital of the world? Could you imagine Bourbon street if it were lined with "brown" cafe's like A-dam? Downtown G-town, the inner harbor.......seriously people! Legalize the ****!:laugh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnyderShrugged Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Is it just me or does it really seem like legalizing marijuana has far more support than many would lead us to believe? For most folks it just makes sense, but it would be a huge loss to the feds if they couldnt enforce their drug laws (which they never really had the constitutional power to do anyway, just another abuse/twist of the commerce clause to justify it) Think about the fact that it took an actual constitutional ammendment (ratified by the states) to ban alcohol, and another to overturn it. yet, somehow the Feds got away with carte blanche control over another substance without anyone saying boo about it. Never understood that historical fact at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoEd Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 Is it just me or does it really seem like legalizing marijuana has far more support than many would lead us to believe? Fat power hungry politicians who have been bred to believe it's a gateway drug hold all the power. Their pockets are being lined by lobbyists who will lose millions off the treatment of alcoholism and the illnesses associated with it. Face it, drunk and sick Americans make people rich. God forbid Joe citizen be able to go out in his backyard, pick a bud, dry it out and smoke it to relax at the end of the day. No Sir, we need you to stop by the liqour store and pick up a 12 pack of bud and drive home and get drunk, beat up your wife, destroy your liver, get a hangover and go out and either buy more booze to get rid of it or buy some goody's. It's a never ending cycle that someone, somewhere is making money off someones misery. How much more destructive could pot be than that? I'd bet it would reduce domestic violence, DUI's and alcohol related illnesses drastically. Why in the world would you want to do that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Wonder what the gov't will do with this nugget? Probably nothing because the politicians all have their finger in the "war on drugs" pie. Honestly, the politicians do not oppose legalization because they have money in the deal, blah blah blah conspiracy blah blah blah. They oppose it solely because they are afraid it will cost them lots of votes. And they are probably right, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spec138 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Anyone who things the Marijuana Laws in the US are stupid should visit this site and send out the letter. There is nothing they can do to you in terms of prosecution, because it's not illegal to support a bill. The only side effect to the use of marijuana is prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoEd Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 Honestly, the politicians do not oppose legalization because they have money in the deal, blah blah blah conspiracy blah blah blah.They oppose it solely because they are afraid it will cost them lots of votes. And they are probably right, unfortunately. I agree to an extent. However, with the current state of the economy and our country being driven by the all mighty dollar, a politician who could sell the monetary benefit of legalization could potentially generate more votes. Problem is, what politician has the balls to come out and say it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Predicto Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I agree to an extent. However, with the current state of the economy and our country being driven by the all mighty dollar, a politician who could sell the monetary benefit of legalization could potentially generate more votes. Problem is, what politician has the balls to come out and say it? You may be right. All I'm saying is that it's not a conspiracy due to war on drugs money or anything silly like that. It's simple cowardice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoEd Posted October 7, 2009 Author Share Posted October 7, 2009 You may be right.All I'm saying is that it's not a conspiracy due to war on drugs money or anything silly like that. It's simple cowardice. I'm with you. But you know money is envolved one way or another, it always is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACW Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 I always post this. Why marijuana is illegal http://www.drugwarrant.com/articles/why-is-marijuana-illegal/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koolblue13 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu7nO98xKiokAttRXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEyNjc2NWMzBHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0Y4MjNfOTY-/SIG=11cc18ogv/EXP=1255033166/**http%3a//www.congress.org/ Go here and find your representative. Email them with HR 5843 in the title and tell them you are in full support. http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geuspb98xKuBQANq9XNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTEybGthaWQ0BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNARjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA0Y4MjNfOTY-/SIG=136pkvgf9/EXP=1255033051/**http%3a//www.associatedcontent.com/article/921515/marijuana_reform_bill_hr_5843.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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