twa Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Apparently Wilson thought he was at a Town Hall meeting where he can scream whatever he wants. And apparently since so many Republicans supported this Code-Pink style "debate," this will become the norm in the future. I'm waiting for O to get a pie in the face:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Being a member of SOC is racist now?...Is calling someone out for lying? No, but I don't think the SoC is the most racially progressive organization around, either. What if it appeared he was lying? (see WH clarification that they WILL use some screening program,which was rejected before)I do agree treating him as a hero is out of good judgment,what he did was rude Obama wasn't lying. As I just wrote, H.R. 3200 would not provide federal funds to illegals. It is one thing to say, "Yes, I am concerned that such funds may be used by illegals without a proper verification system." It is another to scream "YOU LIE!" as if the President was some shoe shiner on the street. But I knew the right-wing had lost its mind a long time ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 I suppose every disagreement with this president will result in a charge of racism from somebody. Just because we don't agree with Obama's policies or speak out against his proposals - as is our right to do so as Americans - doesn't mean we are racists. Would you prefer "Traitor"? :halo: Just joking. No, I don't think the politicians doing this are racists. (Although they aren't too proud to accept the Racist Vote). I'm quite certain that they'd pull the same doodoo on any other Democrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 I'm waiting for O to get a pie in the face:doh: You are? For some reason, I don't recall Bush getting a pie in the face (though I certainly remember an Iraqi throwing footwear at the man). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baculus Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Umm, since there are what 5 or so contemplated bills out there, in fact what both Wilson & Obama said COULD be true. They are not mutually exclusive at that point time. We are specifically talking about H.R. 3200, which is the House bill at the heart of the debate. Section 246 of that bill says, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Ahh, okay, well, in the absence of information on how this man has conducted himself publicly (which I don't have) as a pattern of typical behavior, I have to assume that he was responding to the issue and the President's comments more than to the color of his skin. Perhaps others have tied his historical public and private behavior and conclude that the only reason he allowed his rudeness to be expressed in this way was motivated solely by his lack of respect for the Presidents skin color. The OP mentions Dowd's column in the NYT on Sunday. Here's a link. I think it needs a subscription to view, though. The relevant portion: The outburst was unexpected from a milquetoast Republican backbencher from South Carolina who had attracted little media attention. Now it has made him an overnight right-wing hero, inspiring “You lie!” bumper stickers and T-shirts.The congressman, we learned, belonged to the Sons of Confederate Veterans, led a 2000 campaign to keep the Confederate flag waving above South Carolina’s state Capitol and denounced as a “smear” the true claim of a black woman that she was the daughter of Strom Thurmond, the ’48 segregationist candidate for president. Wilson clearly did not like being lectured and even rebuked by the brainy black president presiding over the majestic chamber. Now, we've all seen politicians smeared by people cherry-picking a few of the politician's votes. I'm simply pointing out the things that Dowd said that she based her column on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 I'm waiting for O to get a pie in the face:doh: Actually, an Obama response that I would have liked to see was: "Somebody, get this man a copy of the bill. Please, sir, step up here and show us all the portion of the bill that I'm lying about. I'll wait." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkleMotion Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Actually, an Obama response that I would have liked to see was: "Somebody, get this man a copy of the bill. Please, sir, step up here and show us all the portion of the bill that I'm lying about. I'll wait." That would've been good. But it wasn't on the teleprompter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan4life83 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 I suppose every disagreement with this president will result in a charge of racism from somebody. That is the truth, and i hate that it is like that. Where i am employed is a diverse mix of folks from ages 18-70, all different races and genders, but you better not disagree with anything Obama says or his policies, you will be labeled a racist, i see it all the time, and quite frankly it is sad, very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurrayH81 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 That is the truth, and i hate that it is like that. Where i am employed is a diverse mix of folks from ages 18-70, all different races and genders, but you better not disagree with anything Obama says or his policies, you will be labeled a racist, i see it all the time, and quite frankly it is sad, very sad. A tactic regularly employed (with equal repugnancy) by the last Administration and it's supporters. The only difference was the label used (unpatriotic/terrorist sympathasizer/looney). Like it or not, pendulums swing... especially in two party politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailGreen28 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Very racist statement by Rep. Hank Johnson. He should apologize and face censure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurrayH81 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 The OP mentions Dowd's column in the NYT on Sunday. Here's a link. I think it needs a subscription to view, though. The relevant portion: Now, we've all seen politicians smeared by people cherry-picking a few of the politician's votes. I'm simply pointing out the things that Dowd said that she based her column on. Thanks Larry. I see MD was able to do a "connect the dots" excercise. Apparently the senior member from his own state was a leading voice for action regarding him. I'd say the evidence is pointing towards the race of the President playing a conscious or unconscious role in his outburst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
December90 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 We are specifically talking about H.R. 3200, which is the House bill at the heart of the debate. Section 246 of that bill says, "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." Well in the Trainee in Chiefs defense, the new bill (whichever version we are talking about) will not specifically "fund" illegal aliens health services. Those services are already provided as a matter of law at no cost to the illegal alien no no further coverage is needed. (Hospitals may not reject patients based on their criminal entrance into the country, and once those services are provided, their is no way to compel payment by those people who criminally entered this country.) the boat is taking on water, quick - lets drill a drain in the bottom of the boat to let the water out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinsfan4life83 Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 A tactic regularly employed (with equal repugnancy) by the last Administration and it's supporters. The only difference was the label used (unpatriotic/terrorist sympathasizer/looney). Like it or not, pendulums swing... especially in two party politics. It' just stupid that i am called a racist for opposing Obama, when i am from a racially diverse family and being white, have never been racist in my life. It is far worse to be labeled a racist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiebear Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 The President is 1/2 Black. Wilson said "You, Lie" That completely disrespects the 1/2 thats black Obviously racist and reverse racist at the same time. That ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Well in the Trainee in Chiefs defense, the new bill (whichever version we are talking about) will not specifically "fund" illegal aliens health services. Those services are already provided as a matter of law at no cost to the illegal alien no no further coverage is needed. (Hospitals may not reject patients based on their criminal entrance into the country, and once those services are provided, their is no way to compel payment by those people who criminally entered this country.)the boat is taking on water, quick - lets drill a drain in the bottom of the boat to let the water out... OK, so you point out that Obama is 100% correct on this issue. And insult him, anyway. And make some kind of comment that I assume is supposed to be some witty insult concerning the policies (which you already admit are already happening, anyway.) You know, Egon, this reminds me of that time you tried to drill a hole through your head. [/movie reference] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Obama wasn't lying. As I just wrote, H.R. 3200 would not provide federal funds to illegals. It is one thing to say, "Yes, I am concerned that such funds may be used by illegals without a proper verification system." The Democrats stripped out the resolutions requiring any form of verification. You are a smart guy so I'm sure you knew that when you typed your message. I'm sure Obama knew it as well. The Democrats WANT to take my tax dollars to pay for healthcare for illegals. If not, why not make proof of citizenship a requirement? Obama and the Democrats are lying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 The Democrats stripped out the resolutions requiring any form of verification. You are a smart guy so I'm sure you knew that when you typed your message. I'm sure Obama knew it as well. The Democrats WANT to take my tax dollars to pay for healthcare for illegals. If not, why not make proof of citizenship a requirement? Obama and the Democrats are lying. 1) You know, for someone who's had the specific language which specifically forbids this law from funding insurance for illegals, And who admits that there is no language which disagrees with that prohibition, You sure are gung ho to throw the liar label at people who don't agree with the hypothetical you've created. 2) Now, if you'd like to leave the claims of being a liar out of the discussion . . . Please explain to us all how this scenario you've invented, whereby an illegal is going to go to the government and apply to have the government pay for his health insurance, and get paid is going to work. How does Joe Illegal get the government to pay for his health insurance, without an SSN, for example? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buford T. Justice Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Maniatis, the white hood crowd does not need a lot of motivation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 1) How does Joe Illegal get the government to pay for his health insurance, without an SSN, for example? They use someone else's or a false one, not that hard at all to get documentation that appears legit w/o a verification system. Just ask the military or Medicaid,there are many eventually caught. That is why many use verification programs now You know those things they left off HB3200 UNTIL after the ruckus,NOW they say one will be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 1) You know, for someone who's had the specific language which specifically forbids this law from funding insurance for illegals, And who admits that there is no language which disagrees with that prohibition, You sure are gung ho to throw the liar label at people who don't agree with the hypothetical you've created. 2) Now, if you'd like to leave the claims of being a liar out of the discussion . . . Please explain to us all how this scenario you've invented, whereby an illegal is going to go to the government and apply to have the government pay for his health insurance, and get paid is going to work. How does Joe Illegal get the government to pay for his health insurance, without an SSN, for example? I find it amusing you don't address the Democrats stripping the verification provisions out of the bills. Joe Illegal walks into the government office and asks to receive healthcare insurance through the government. They don't ask for proof of citizenship...he get's the insurance. Why not require a drivers license, birth certificate or social security card? What could possible be the motivation for Democrats to strip that out of the bill? You certainly know the answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twa Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 " It is another to scream "YOU LIE!" as if the President was some shoe shiner on the street. But I knew the right-wing had lost its mind a long time ago. Careful there, someone might think you are racist or unkind to shoe shiners:) Perhaps you link O to a shoe shiner subconsciously? Do you condone screaming at them? :writing: Patient exhibits.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isle-hawg Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Our government in action.:doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burgold Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Count me among those who never thought Wilson's outburst has anything to do with race. I think it's a really dangerous connection to make too. It creates to easy an escape valve for the President. We need to be able to criticize the President. That's an American duty. I think Wilson did it in a poor way and at the wrong time, but I don't see why we should assume racial hostility in something that seems built entirely on ideological hostility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isle-hawg Posted September 15, 2009 Share Posted September 15, 2009 Count me among those who never thought Wilson's outburst has anything to do with race. I think it's a really dangerous connection to make too. It creates to easy an escape valve for the President. We need to be able to criticize the President. That's an American duty. I think Wilson did it in a poor way and at the wrong time, but I don't see why we should assume racial hostility in something that seems built entirely on ideological hostility. I agree with this post 100%. New point, WTF is Obama always considered black? I ****ing hate the *** **** boxes many want to put each of us in since we are all (in dog terms) mutts! For those calling Obama black have you taken a good look at his mother and grandparents who raised him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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