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Why is Betts Still on this Team? (Plus Roster Rant)

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HailNatsSkinz

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Seriously, what does he bring to this team? Speed? Power? Goal line abilities? Swiftness? Clutch player? No question, he possesses none of these.

I have been very heartbroken but quiet since our loss to the Giants. But I can't stop thinking that the reason we continually get dominated by good teams is because we build our team around very mediocre players.

I dare anyone to tell me with a straight face that any of these guys would see the field if they played for the Giants/Eagles/Patriots/Colts/Ravens/Steelers etc., this season:

Phillip Daniels

Renaldo Wynn

Rock Cartwright

Cornelius Griffin (yes! he is very overrated and overpaid)

Jason Campbell

Ladell Betts

I mean, even our supposed superstar, Portis, looked overweight and slow yesterday against the Giants. This, I believe, is a result of him not taking the offseason seriously. Moss (our supposed #1 receiver) seems to be declining fast. Our 2nd round picks have still not contributed anything to date. DeAngelo Hall can't tackle to save his life.

I don't know how we got to this point of relying on average/old/overrated players. Actually I take that back, I do. Thanks Mr. Snyder! But this team needs to re-assess its roster moves and its management of Portis' offseasons or we will just never change and will always get exposed against very solid teams.

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Seriously, what does he bring to this team? Speed? Power? Goal line abilities? Swiftness? Clutch player? No question, he possesses none of these.

I have been very heartbroken but quiet since our loss to the Giants. But I can't stop thinking that the reason we continually get dominated by good teams is because we build our team around very mediocre players.

I dare anyone to tell me with a straight face that any of these guys would see the field if they played for the Giants/Eagles/Patriots/Colts/Ravens/Steelers etc., this season:

Phillip Daniels

Renaldo Wynn

Rock Cartwright

Cornelius Griffin (yes! he is very overrated and overpaid)

Jason Campbell

Ladell Betts

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I echo your sentiments.

I would even consider including Randy Thomas and Mike Sellers to the list. And, I would seriously consider getting/grooming a replacement for Chris Samuels. He gets beaten pretty often these past few years.

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Betts is a reliable replacement if Portis is lost for a significant amount of time. It isn't uncommon for teams to carry a back like him. I could buy the arguement that he is an unnecessary luxury for a team like ours.

C. Griffin is likely over paid and might be over rated, but a number of teams would likely sign him (at a reduced salary) and put him in a DT rotation if we let him go.

If we let JC go, he will be able to find a team that AT LEAST will allow him to compete for the starting job. Whether he wins it would be another question.

The rest of the list I agree with 100%.

And realistically, you can add some names. Yoder is a complete luxury for this team. He should be cut and somebody younger and potentially more upside signed.

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McD5

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I'll take "things that rhyme with mail" for 500 Alex.

Do you know what would have been impressive?

If you had suggested trading Portis 2 or 3 years ago, before he slowed down. If you had the vision to look forward a few years, to see what was best for the team, and to see the big picture.

Considering that he costs 5x as much as Betts, we could have used that ridiculous money elsewere. Like on a lineman.

Instead, you probably believed that running Portis over and over was a great strategy. Total, epic failure.

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I'll take "things that rhyme with mail" for 500 Alex.

McD5, I get you on the money and the OL thing you bring about. Trading CP for an OL would have been counterintuitive, since he was our best player, but it might have put us in a better position today. Maybe. I'm actually not going to disagree with you here because we haven't been good with CP.

Still, your post didn't address the fact that since that 06 breakout, Betts hasn't contributed anything to this team. He's old, overpaid, and like the OP said, doesn't bring speed, clutchness, or a change of pace to the team. That's what this is about. Regardless of your feelings on CP, I think from what we've seen of Betts, he isn't the guy he was in 06. He won't be again.

We might have a young stud change of pace RB in the mold of Leon Washington on the roster in his place if we didn't cling onto this long-disproved notion that Betts is "one of the best backup RBs in the league". He just isn't, and no amount of comparing 06 stats will change that.

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McD5, I get you on the money and the OL thing you bring about. Trading CP for an OL would have been counterintuitive, since he was our best player, but it might have put us in a better position today. Maybe. I'm actually not going to disagree with you here because we haven't been good with CP.

We might have a young stud change of pace RB in the mold of Leon Washington on the roster in his place if we didn't cling onto this long-disproved notion that Betts is "one of the best backup RBs in the league". He just isn't, and no amount of comparing 06 stats will change that.

Good post, but still not the answer.

We could have 5 Leon Washingtons on the roster. None of them would get the ball.

Only CP gets the ball. And that's the problem.

CP hasn't even gone for 100 yards in any of his last six games.

Betts got exactly 8 starts in his record-breaking season.

He went for over 100 in 5 of them.(Franchise record) He went for over 150 in two of them.(Another Franchise record)

And for those posters who respond with "well the offensive line sucks," HELLO!!!! Then what the hell do we need to pay Portis for?

If no one can run behind the line, wtf are we paying him 5x what Betts makes? For 62 yards?

The smart move, just like the great H. Walker trade, was to dump Portis as fast as possible two or three years ago.

That would have required an FO with intelligence.

One that realizes that a line is 10x more important than a running back.

One smart enough to know that without a line--it doesn't matter how good your RB is.

We simply don't have that. We have morons running this team.

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And for those posters who respond with "well the offensive line sucks," HELLO!!!! Then what the hell do we need to pay Portis for?

I do see your points, and I, like you, like to take a longitudinal point of view with regard to the team. I want to build a team that contends for a championship for years, not a team that contends for a WC spot during that one year that the one big FA decides to show up and play. Trading CP might have done that. We don't always agree, but we both do want that long-term contender. That's for damn sure.

Although, as for this comment, I will contend that our OL was playing like the best in the NFL through the stretch that Betts had his career year. CP behind that line would have had 1800+ had he stayed healthy, IMO. We'll never know though, but I think Betts is definitely dead weight and needs to be replaced soon. I would prefer taking an RB with an early pick next year to platoon with CP and eventually replace him.

I think the reason that CP is run into the ground is a combination of his wanting the ball and the fact that no one behind him contributes anything to the team. If we had a guy that ACTUALLY took pressure off of him, I think he'd be singing a different tune.

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Although, as for this comment, I will contend that our OL was playing like the best in the NFL through the stretch that Betts had his career year. CP behind that line would have had 1800+ had he stayed healthy, IMO. We'll never know though, but I think Betts is definitely dead weight and needs to be replaced soon. I would prefer taking an RB with an early pick next year to platoon with CP and eventually replace him.

I think the reason that CP is run into the ground is a combination of his wanting the ball and the fact that no one behind him contributes anything to the team. If we had a guy that ACTUALLY took pressure off of him, I think he'd be singing a different tune.

1. TJ Duckett might disagree. Funny how Betts put up franchise records....and TJ? Not so much.

2. It wouldn't have mattered if CP went for 1800. He would have been banged up and worthless in the playoffs if he had.

3. Betts being replaced does nothing. Why? Because no one else gets carries. It simply doesn't matter. Our backup RB isn't the reason we suck.

4. Portis okay with splitting carries?:hysterical: Right.

Like when Zorn rested him, and he went insane on the radio?

Or do you mean like in San Francisco last year, in an absolutely meaningless game, where rookies could have gained experience? What would have been better for the team?

Rookies getting experience? Or Portis crying for the ball, to go for personal stats? Exactly.

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4. Portis okay with splitting carries?:hysterical: Right.

I understand your points, but hear me out.

If we could find someone with a truly contrasting running style to Portis, that causes the defense to wear out, Portis would be able to go into the game fresher and against a defense that had to prepare for contrasting styles. If he could go in and average 5 YPC and go for 100 yards, as opposed to 3 yards a carry, I think he'd be happy.

Of course, this is all contingent on the idea that Portis is still a franchise RB. I'm just not that sure right now.

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I understand your points, but hear me out.

If we could find someone with a truly contrasting running style to Portis, that causes the defense to wear out, Portis would be able to go into the game fresher and against a defense that had to prepare for contrasting styles. If he could go in and average 5 YPC and go for 100 yards, as opposed to 3 yards a carry, I think he'd be happy.

Of course, this is all contingent on the idea that Portis is still a franchise RB. I'm just not that sure right now.

It would be a great idea to keep Portis fresh. We aren't smart enough to realize it. Please, get someone with an IQ above room temperature in the FO.

And one last thing.....for those suggesting that we need a new #2 back:

1. Portis can't do crap behind this line. But a new number 2 back could??? Really???

So are you suggesting that Portis sucks? Because if Portis can't do crap, what is the backup(I assume a lesser player) going to do?

Or is it the line that sucks?

If it is the line that sucks.....getting another backup running back, one who also won't be able to run behind the line, doesn't solve anything.

And to the OP.....if you believe that our #2 back has anything to do with how much we suck, you are crazy. He hardly gets the ball. Except in passing, where he does very well.

You may just as well ***** about our backup tight end, our backup punter, or our backup long snapper.

None of them determine **** for this team. None of them are used.

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