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So if we're still in a need to draft a franchise QB in 2010, who is the guy?

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RedskinNutt

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ok, color me confused. So while people on this board and the media have constantly said this team needs o-line help (something never truly addressed in the draft), and the FO has a horrible habit of drafting "name" players instead of "need" players, people are now looking past this season and talking about drafting a high profile rookie QB.

I thought this team has their "future franchise QB" in Colt, if I'm reading most of the posts on this board correctly. So if Colt "isn't" ready after 3 years, how would a rookie be any more ready?

How about we see how the season turns out?

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RedskinNutt

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Thanks alot for making me spit my drink...:hysterical:

sorry for that, but isn't that the feeling on this board? that's what I thought was the main idea.

I'm a JC supporter because I feel he has the potential to be a much improved QB this year. If he fails, he fails and he should part ways with the team.

I'm not a Colt supporter because frankly, if he couldn't beat Todd Collins out for the #2 spot and had to fight his tail off to be the #3 guy (which he didn't even end up being), he probably isn't #1 material.

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ttejr

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I've seen Snead play in person. He has a great arm and throws the ball in places that most college QBs can't. On the flip side, he does tend to force the ball and gets picked off. Snead will be a good pro and starting QB. I don't know about Teebow, sure he is probably the greatest QB ever in college. But that doesn't mean he will be a great pro QB (Heath Shuler was suppose to be the next coming of Aikman!). If it were me, I'd get the best OL in the 1st round and draft a QB second.

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theboomking

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So how about Jermaine Gresham? His stock probably will take a hit. Now he wishes he'd come out last year. Too bad we don't need a TE because he's going to be special.

Per ESPN.com, "Gresham's surgery on his knee will end his season, the Associated Press reports. He needed stitches to repair cartilage damage and will be out about five months. (Sep 8)"

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188942

From the description, it sounds like they went in for an arthroscopy and found a meniscus which needed to be repaired. Unlike Malcolm Kelly's articur cartilage defect, which was addressed with a microfracture surgery, a meniscus that is torn at the periphery, near the blood supply, can be repaired and heal fully. I expect that the only effect this will have on Gresham's long term prospects will be to drop him in the draft. This is a very different situation from an injury like McGahee's ACL tear, which has a very high association with subsequent degenerative changes, even if the ACL is repaired.

If Gresham is available when we pick in the second, we should give some thought to picking him up and moving Cooley. I know you scoffed when I previously mentioned possibly trading Cooley, but to buy low and sell high makes a lot of sense in the NFL. Cooley is on the shorter side for a TE, has never caught a ton of TD's, and likely could already be replaced to some degree by the more explosive Davis. Gresham is 3 inches taller, 10 pounds heavier, and a more explosive athlete than Cooley. He had 14TD's last year and would present a potentially elite red zone target to pair with Kelly and Mitchell. The Patriots are the model for good team management, and look how much thought they gave to moving Richard Seymour.

Chris Cooley's(6'3" 250) senior year college stats: 62 for 732 and 6 TD's AVG 11.8

Fred Davis(6'4" 247)senior year college stats: 62 for 881 and8 TD's AVG 14.2

Jermaine Gresham's(6'6 258) senior year college stats: 66 for 950 and 14 TD's AVG 14.4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eH4lRMr4Nc

Back on topic, I think arm strength is verrry overrated. An adequate arm is just as good as a very good one. Take a look at the QB rankings from last year.

1:P rivers - adequate arm

2:C Pennington -

3:Kurt Warner -

4: D Brees

5:P Manning

6:A Rogers

7:M Shaub

8:T Romo sits to pee

9:J Garcia

10:M Cassel

11:M Ryan

12:Shaun Hill

13:Seneca Wallace

14:E Manning

15:McNabb

16:Cutler

17:Trent Edwards

18:Jake Delhomme

19:Jason Campbell

20: David Garrard

21:Brett Farve

22:Joe Flacco

23:Kerry Collins

24:Roethlisberger

25: Orton

26:Jamarcus Russel

27:Tyler Thigpen

28: Frerotte

29:Orlovsky

30: Bulger

There is just no correlation between arm strength and rating. If anything, there are far more big arms on the bottom half of that list. Brady isn't even on that list, and he is the quintessential example of the point I'm trying to make. Even with Cutler, it isn't his arm that makes him good, it is his feet, his accuracy and his ability to get the ball out quickly. If anything, his arm tends to get him into trouble.

The problem is, that while accuracy is definitely more important than arm strength, neither is as important as being able to read a professional defense quickly, make the correct read, and get the ball out quickly. The last quality is something that is nearly impossible to judge in a college quarterback.

For my money though, I think I'd take Bradford over Snead. Probably just a roll of the dice as to which ends up being better though. I've never been very good at picking college QB's. I thought David Carr was going to be great. Don't ask Vinnie either, he chose Druckenmiller!

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theboomking

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Why draft someone? You never know what you'll end up with even if its 1st pick 1st round. It could be a flop. I'll vote for a proven QB free agent or trade anyday. My vote is with my favorite QB... Drew Brees.

It's just fun to think about. I'm with you though. I'd rather stand pat with Campbell, or go with Pennington if we make a change, save our draft picks, and try to surround our QB with the best talent possible.

I think we probably would have made the playoffs with Pennington at the helm last year. You can laugh, but Pennington was the #2 rated QB in the NFL last year. He completed 67% for 3600 yards, 19 TD's and 7 picks at 33yo. Probably has at least another couple of years in the tank after 09.

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It's just fun to think about. I'm with you though. I'd rather stand pat with Campbell, or go with Pennington if we make a change, save our draft picks, and try to surround our QB with the best talent possible.

I think we probably would have made the playoffs with Pennington at the helm last year. You can laugh, but Pennington was the #2 rated QB in the NFL last year. He completed 67% for 3600 yards, 19 TD's and 7 picks at 33yo. Probably has at least another couple of years in the tank after 09.

Main problem with Pennington is that, in his entire 9 year career, he has only played a full 16 games twice. He is already injury prone and him getting older isn't going to help. In Miami he is also helped by the fact that he has a young, dominant LT in Jake Long so mobility isn't as much of an issue.

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36HAMMER

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whats the issue with the qb from florida.robo qb? i agree with the other i saw mentioned but i haven't been able to find the problem with tebo.all he does is win,he can run has a goo to great arm and has spent his whole career in the lime light so the pressure isn't goin g tobother him. i think we have the coach to help him with his rough edges.i thought he was the cats meow and now he's not even mentioned a a viable qb candidate for the nfl.i've missed all the stuff written about him being a system qb or somemthing like that.but he has alot of athletisism and a good head and leadership skills.i haven't seen any problem with his arm either.enlighten me as to the consensus about tebo.thanks

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Laron Burgundy

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To be fair about gresham, his qb was MUCH better than cooley's in college. I don't disagree with the logic, but Cooley is a productive te and a fan favorite. I would rather just get rid of Davis and use Cooley and Gresham in 2 te sets; that is, if gresham's stock fell so drastically.

As to those pointing out why wouldn't we draft an o-lineman 1st overall, the answer is simple. We'll pick up some average o-linemen in free agency and call our problem fixed while hoping undrafted o-linemen step up. I honestly wouldn't mind drafting a linebacker, either mlb or wlb. Rocky is a free agent next year if we don't resign him and I think Weatherspoon, Spikes, or McClain could all be special (along with a host of 4-5 other linebackers). Linebacker is more high profile than o-line and I think we'll do well enough that the FO keeps JC.

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Vooskin

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Colt Mccoy isnt even first round talent, Any team reaching that high has terrible scouts. Tebow is another. Imo wont ever become an NFL qb. Hes not the brightest, he is a nice guy (two things in common with campbell) but I seriously do not see him as a QB. You would need to build a special type of offense for him to be successful. He's definately not a prostyle QB.

Bradford of the 3 mentioned is the only worthy of a first round. I still feel hes not a top 10 QB. Never be amazed by his play. He is consistent but I dont see playmaker written all over him. Would be great for a team that has the peices around him with a good run game and defense and just want him to manage.

That said I wouldn't draft any of them. If there are some other guys to really come along Id take a look at them but the truth is we have been a FA qb away from the playoffs for years. Guys with alot less talent through the league have outperformed campbell over the years. Jeff garcia could take us to the playoffs this year. Another guy mentioned pennington and he is absolutely correct. I honestly would take a look at Mcnabb if he was released after the season. I think hes getting too old to carry a team for a full season but luckily we have a good run game and he can manage and save himself for the post season.

Unless we have a shot at a once in a lifetime QB then the answer is simple. Go Free Agency next year, someone familiar hopefully with the westcoast(if zorn is still here) and draft OL and RBs.

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