WashingtonTimes: Voight: Is Obama creating a civil war in America?

[techboy]

As to the insurance companies not being able to compete with goverment option- Did the credit unions that dont pay taxes drive the banks out of business?

There have been a rash of bank failures over the last couple of years. The only ones in trouble we hear about that didn't fail were...

... bailed out by the government.

Bank failures are not your best point here.

[Madison Redskin]

The truth is that mainstream Republicans didn't call Democrats "unAmerican" when they were the opposition. The left just started preemptively whining about it to play the victim as a political tactic.

I think that last fight with Apollo Creed must have affected your brain. The left and right have been calling each other American since before I was born.

[techboy]

Sometimes I think people need to maintain a little perspective. "Un-American" is nothing compared to some of the things that have been said historically.

Start with Jefferson v. Adams in 1800 (the first party-based election), in which one of Jefferson's surrogates said about Adams that he possesed a "...hideous hermaphroditical character which has neither the force and firmness of a man, nor the gentleness and sensibility of a woman".

Quote found on page 537 of this book

Some of Adams' Federalist buddies shot back with: "Are you prepared to see your dwellings in flames… female chastity violated… children writhing on the pike? GREAT GOD OF COMPASSION AND JUSTICE, SHIELD MY COUNTRY FROM DESTRUCTION.”

Quote can be found on page 5 of this book

Now that's dirty and divisive. :laugh:

[twa]

Think we should bring back tar and feathering for the town halls techboy?...ah, the good ole days when men settled things on the dueling ground.

[Jumbo]

Duels are too inefficient. This herd could never be properly culled working one at a time, and, at that, with "rules" and any attending ceremonial procedures slowing things up.

[Corcaigh]

Duels are too inefficient. This herd could never be properly culled working one at a time, and, at that, with "rules" and any attending ceremonial procedures slowing things up.

The whole point of wars used to be to to cull most of the undesirables from your own society.

It seems that doesn't work any more.

[Jumbo]

The whole point of wars used to be to to cull most of the undesirables from your own society.

It seems that doesn't work any more.

It started losing effectiveness in that regard when the pay, benefits, and cultural adoration of joining the military increased to where it began attracting quality volunteer personnel instead of swelling the ranks by drafting hippies, drop-outs, and poor kids who couldn't finagle deferrments, and they actually started really screening out felons.

[Larry]

It started losing effectiveness in that regard when the pay, benefits, and cultural adoration of joining the military increased to where it began attracting quality volunteer personnel instead of swelling the ranks by drafting hippies, drop-outs, and poor kids who couldn't finagle deferrments, and they actually started really screening out felons.

Although I do think there's something about the idea of the French Foreign Legion. Let people who aren't your citizens serve in your military. If they make it 20 years (or whatever), then congratulations, you're a citizen.

[twa]

What happened to paying a German to fight?

The Hessians forget how,or did the brewsksi and Fraulein's finally take over?

[81artmonk]

Did that come from the link I provided, and if so, can you say what page? (And if not, could you provide a link and a page number?)

I'd like to see the context

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[Baculus]

Depends on the definition of civil war and death panels;)

We badly need a open ,honest discussion on cutting costs on the elderly healthcare and entitlements...and that needs to include death panels.(deniers of benefits and covered procedures)

Motivated activism in civil affairs seems to be a popular theme from both parties fringe(which seems the civil war Voight speaks of)

The Republican party has fear-mongered to the point that this is simply not possible. That, and they indeed are embracing the fringe all in the name of attaining victory.

As it is, you post articles, such as the Pajamas Media one, which contribute to the hyperbole on this issue, so I actually find this post to be rather puzzling.

[Destino]

So have we figured out how any of this is creating a civil war yet?

[Baculus]

No Im saying that every small business will stop providing it and encourage people to join the govt plan.

Is this a BAD thing? BTW, this is a reason why some American companies have moved to Europe -- so they do not have to provide health care since their employees can join another system.

Here is what many, many people are ignoring: wages in this country have flat-lined over this decade partially due to the health care costs for employers. And it is only going to get worse. The following article claims that, over the next twelve months, such costs may rise as much as 10.5%

This is discussed in this article:

"Costs for employer-provided health plans are expected to rise more than 10 percent within the next 12 months, a jump workers may feel in their paychecks or through changes to their insurance coverage."

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gax1CKt2ZlFYWFaxXS8VugsPY2JAD9A9TKH00

This is why many of the anti-reform protesters are basically agitating against themselves. It does no one any good NOT to address health care as an issue.

[Baculus]

So have we figured out how any of this is creating a civil war yet?

Because Obama is a Muslim-terrorist-socialist-Nazi-Muslim-Kenyan-radical-thug-who-hates-white-people-and-wants-to-seize-government-Acorn-he-wants-to-kill-us-all-ACORN!-AAAAH!-AAAAAAAH-and-he-hates-puppies-and-kittens-too.

At least that's the word on the street.

[TheItalianStallion]

I think that last fight with Apollo Creed must have affected your brain. The left and right have been calling each other American since before I was born.

Okaaaay...and people have been calling the sky blue since before I was born, so your point is......?

[Corcaigh]

So have we figured out how any of this is creating a civil war yet?

He's promising to end slavery.

[Smoot4Prez]

So have we figured out how any of this is creating a civil war yet?

Further dividing an already divided nation? Not his fault, if you're a liberal you're going to push liberal ideas, if you're a conservative you're going to have a conservative agenda. I think he's just another example of a president who ran his campaign based on bi-partisan solutions to problems, got into office, and did exactly the opposite.

I'm not saying Republicans are doing any better, they are even more partisan. We all need to just chill out, take passion out of the argument, and have a real debate about what our healthcare options are at this point. Mostly, we need our politicians (on both sides) to stop trying to fill our heads with lies to push their own agenda.

[alexey]

I think he's just another example of a president who ran his campaign based on bi-partisan solutions to problems, got into office, and did exactly the opposite.

Yeah I'm sure Republicans would offer meaningful cooperation in finding bi-partisan solutions if only Obama decided to push Congress to drop Death Panels from the heath care bill

[Baculus]

Yeah I'm sure Republicans would offer meaningful cooperation in finding bi-partisan solutions if only Obama decided to push Congress to drop Death Panels from the heath care bill

They dropped it from H.R. 3200.

Sarah Palin went, "Yeah! Victory!"

Chuck Grassley said, "Well, it was the left, not us, who were making a big deal about 'death panels.'"

The rest of the senatorial Republicans said, "It's still socialism. No deal."

The rest of us who had been paying attention said, "What the hell was that all about?"