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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/21/inside-the-beltway-68484451/

A Hollywood conservative has headed East. It's "Freedom Concert" time for Jon Voight. The Academy Award winner will join Sean Hannity in Cincinnati and Atlanta this weekend to honor fallen soldiers and present college scholarships to surviving children. Mr. Voight -- a warrior himself in many ways -- has been cogitating about the state of America, meanwhile.

"There's a real question at stake now. Is President Obama creating a civil war in our own country?" Mr. Voight tells Inside the Beltway

More talks of violent revolt that is becoming far too normal these days. Armed loons at Obama events, constant references to armed resistence, and now open talk of civil war from a guy about to speak at a major conservative event.

Remember when people were arrested for wearing anti-Bush t-shirts at his events? Gone are those days. The violent rhetoric is growing.

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You know what's so weird about this, for 8 years while democrats felt like the company was going down the ****ter, the rally cry was "I'm gonna have to leave this country." They got bashed for it, but it was definitely mentioned. I said it once or twice... at least in my mind.

However, now that Republicans or Libertarians or anything on the right of the "spectrum" is pissed off and they are talking about "taking it back." Or the really crazy ones talk about Civil War. I just think its weird how the two sides had totally different reactions to being in a position of minority/inferiority in U.S. politics.

Just noting. :)

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No. But it is being attempted by far right wing and Libertarian nutjobs. I've had enough libertarians I know tell me to buy guns and stock up on ammo that I plan to,... to protect myself from them.

Oh, and the first libertarian to make vague references to me, did so before Obama was elected.

And I'm not counting internet posters. But if you want to get a chill, go look up MSF's parting thread and the references he makes. I'm telling you, if anyone knows something, it's him.

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No. But it is being attempted by far right wing and Libertarian nutjobs. I've had enough libertarians I know tell me to buy guns and stock up on ammo that I plan to,... to protect myself from them.
:saber: Not all libertarians are crazy.
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:saber: Not all libertarians are crazy.

You may be normal in every other way, but in my opinion your ideology is insane. Sorry, that's just how i feel.

Of course some are crazier than others and those are the people I was referring to. ;)

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You know what's so weird about this, for 8 years while democrats felt like the company was going down the ****ter, the rally cry was "I'm gonna have to leave this country." They got bashed for it, but it was definitely mentioned. I said it once or twice... at least in my mind.

However, now that Republicans or Libertarians or anything on the right of the "spectrum" is pissed off and they are talking about "taking it back." Or the really crazy ones talk about Civil War. I just think its weird how the two sides had totally different reactions to being in a position of minority/inferiority in U.S. politics.

Just noting. :)

It's not strange at all. What is strange is the mindset behind it. Democrats and liberals see America as a nation. Conservative define America as "themselves". Liberals are not america in their mind. In fact anyone not in line with their thinking is by their definition "un-american". They don't think of Obama as an American, he's a socialist. He's trying to take over their country. Forget the election or any of that ****... America is them. That is why anything a conservative leader supports is automatically viewed as being in line with America. The constitution isn't america, they are. This is why taking a gun to an Obama event with a threatening sign is ok in their minds. Getting arrested for wearin an anti-Bush t-shirt at a Bush event is also ok. There is no problem because the peson in the t-shirt was un-american, and thus bad, while the gun wielding loon was defending america (conservatism) from the bad socialist.

You can see this thinking at work on the campaign trail. The stop at a republican stronghold and call it "real america". Tune into Sean Hannity and you will see that he refers to his republican callers like so: "you are a great american!" and they reply in kind. He knows nothing about them but that they have told his call screener they are republicans and thus "great americans".

We've already heard of people that disagree with them being called threats to america. Now the amount of violent rhetoric is rising.

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You know what's so weird about this, for 8 years while democrats felt like the company was going down the ****ter, the rally cry was "I'm gonna have to leave this country." They got bashed for it, but it was definitely mentioned. I said it once or twice... at least in my mind.

However, now that Republicans or Libertarians or anything on the right of the "spectrum" is pissed off and they are talking about "taking it back." Or the really crazy ones talk about Civil War. I just think its weird how the two sides had totally different reactions to being in a position of minority/inferiority in U.S. politics.

Just noting. :)

Fight or Flight? America was built on the backs of those with a fight instinct when facing a threat, not on the backs of those who flight.

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I do agree that I've come across more and more libertarian/Ron Paul types that preach about stocking up on weapons and food and talking about potential "revolts." And when you question it, they use the Constitution to defend it or say something about "Liberty" or "Socialism" or "Big Government" yadda yadda yadda.

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Not to make excuses, but it's only natural for things to escalate. Can you imagine how enraged liberals would be if McCain had won?

It's gonna all come to a head, some serious **** will go down, and everyone will cool off for a few weeks before starting to act like *******s again.

No one wants to work together in this country, everyone wants to have their cake and eat it too.

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What did he say to get your panties in a bunch?

This?:silly:

"The real truth is that the Obama administration is professional at bullying, as we have witnessed with ACORN at work during the presidential campaign. It seems to me they are sending down their bullies to create fist fights among average American citizens who don't want a government-run health care plan forced upon them," Mr. Voight says. "So I ask again. Is President Obama creating a civil war in our own country?"

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More talks of violent revolt that is becoming far too normal these days. Armed loons at Obama events, constant references to armed resistence, and now open talk of civil war from a guy about to speak at a major conservative event.

Remember when people were arrested for wearing anti-Bush t-shirts at his events? Gone are those days. The violent rhetoric is growing.

Oh please!

Let's see...There was a 80 year old guy who was arrested for tresspassing at the mall. But of course since liberals like to be play the victim, he says it was because he was wearing a Bush T-Shirt. So you have a guy who happend to wear a Anti Bush T-Shirt get arressted for tresspassing.

You have guys in Arizona, who exercise their constitutional rights to bear arms, who cause no problems and break no law not get arrested, what's the problem here?

Then you actually have the audacity to compare the two events? I bet you would complain about the old man getting arrested but then turn around and said it was ok for the mall to not renew the lease of the guy who was selling anti obama stuff.

I do think what TSF Said was interesting. Liberals are quick to want to leave the country while conservatives are willing to fight for it. I think it is indicative of how both groups think. I have heard several people make comments about the country heading the direction of civil war. Its suprising when you hear it come from people like a retired FBI agent and a former CIA station chief. I think both sides want what is best for America, but their views are both becoming more and more extream to both the right and the left. I am starting to think that Obama is the great divider.

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