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      We’re still doing this?  Absolutely!  Despite all the compelling reasons to just let everyone go home and enjoy and extended offseason, this is not an option.  The games must be played, and therefore we the long-suffering fans will feel compelled to watch.  Even games no reasonable football fan would choose to watch like, for example, today’s Redskins Jets game.   

      Today’s convergence of sadness features the 30th ranked scoring offense (Jets 14.4 ppg) versus the 32nd (Redskins 12.0 ppg).  The first team to 15 wins!  With no playoff aspirations the compelling story lines for this game are largely limited to watching young players (hopefully) develop.  Dwayne Haskins gets his first home start and Derrius Guice is back from injury.   
       
      My, reasonable, goals for today’s game:  
      1- Score a touchdown 
      2- Score more than 17 points.   
      3- Haskins throws for 200 yards or more with no interceptions  
      4- Guice runs the ball at least 10 times and finishes at 3.5 yards per carry and healthy.  
       
      Hoping for a win at this point feels like setting myself up for disappointment, so I’m happy to settle for an entertaining loss.  
       
      Special thanks to @pez for some excellent Guinness beef stew.  If you absolutely have to stand in a frozen parking lot at 9am, the best place to do it is at the Extremeskins Tailgate with Pez and @Huly.  Great fans, great people. 
       
      The Redskins have declared for the following players as inactive: 
      Paul Richardson  
      Colt McCoy 
      Deshazor Everett 
      Chris Thompson  
      Ross Pierschbacher 
      Vernon Davis  
      Tim Settle  
       
      The Jets declared the following players as inactive  
      Nate Hairston  
      Darryl Roberts  
      Paul Worrilow 
      Matthias Farley  
      CJ Mosley  
      Jordan Willis  
      Leo Koloamatangi 
       
      1st Quarter - Redskins 0 - 6 Jets
      If you wanted to sit in the cold and watch a football game with some Jets fans at FedEx, but were worried that there were not enough seats available, I have good news.  There’s plenty of space available, so come on down and prove you’re a real fan by sitting though this in person.
       
      Jets dominated the 1st quarter even though they only scored 6 points.  The reason being that Washington managed only 13 yards of offense and a single first down.  
       
      Question: Is it still a check down pass if the QB never looks at anyone else?
       
      2nd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      The Jets have achieved an insurmountable 13 point lead early in the 2nd quarter.  All hope is lost.

      Is there a more perfect example of the Redskins offense than their first scoring drive in the 2nd quarter?  Interception gives the Redskins the ball on the Jets 16 yard line.  They proceed to march 10 yards backwards before kicking a field goal from the Jets 26.  It's perfect.  Two or three more field goals we can call it a day. 

      The Jets score again and if feels like they are are just piling on at this point.  Three touchdowns in the first half for them, just three points for the redskins.  Our streak of no touchdowns has now extended to 15 quarters. 
       
      3rd Quarter - Redskins 3 - 20 Jets
      There is a spider slowly descending from the ceiling in the press box and it's the most interesting thing that's happened during the third quarter of this game. 
       
      I have decided to allow the spider to live, provided it does not touch me.  I'm off to get some more caffeine. 

      4th Quarter - Redskins 17 - 34 Jets
      The first wave of Redskins fans, the few that are here, started streaming towards the exits after that 4th Jets touchdown.  As if the Jets didn't have this game wrapped up in the 2nd quarter. 
       
      Jet have now more than doubled their average points per game and have matched their season high of 34 points (and they missed two field goals in this game). 
       
      TOUCHDOWN REDSKINS!  THE DROUGHT IT OVER!  Guice took a short pass from Haskins  all the way to the house.  2 point conversion is successful on a pass from Haskins to Quinn. 
       
      The Redskins score another touchdown!  This feels like an embarrassment of riches, even if we are still certain to lose this game. 
       
      End of Game.
       
      Let's review those reasonable goals I mentioned earlier:
       
      1- Success.
      2- Close enough, I'm counting it
      3- Haskins did throw for over 200, but unfortunately did have an interception. 
      4- Guice was not given the opportunity to run the ball ten times today.  He did however score on a 45 yard TD pass and finish the game healthy.  I'll take it.
       
      Even though the Redskins lost, it was good to see the offense show some faint signs of life and end the streak of games without a TD.  The team looked competitive for much of the second half, and perhaps they could have made this a fun game if they carried that same energy throughout.  It was good to see Guice and Mclaurin show out today.  I think both of them have a future with this team that I look forward to seeing. 

       
       

       
       
       
       
       
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5 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

Maybe, but asking him to replace Sean instead of stay at SS lead to his welcome being worn out here because he couldn't do it. The few times we put him at his natural potion after, the difference was obvious, my first realization that you don't put your best safety at FS, you get a FS. A lot of players looked up to Sean, even today, believe he would've helped Landry mature way he did given they were playing together, or at least held off us getting rid of him a little longer.  When I think of Landry, I think of someone who lost his way.

 

My bad, didn't realize what you meant.  Yes, totally agree.

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5 hours ago, SkinsGuy said:

 

That really isn't true.

 

Even when the Redskins were doing well or were having a great game that week, the threads are still overtly hostile and negative.

 

Regular season game day threads, to me, are just the gutters where the foulest sewer trash material on this board flows through.

 

They can be quite unenjoyable. Even if the Redskins are winning big.

 

You kinda gotta tune a lot of that out and work with people that don't roll like that (plenty of them).  A lot of times I'm more focused on the game and get lucky seeing something  someone agrees with me on.  I'm not going to get into a debate in the game day thread, game is more important 

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26 minutes ago, Renegade7 said:

 

You kinda gotta tune a lot of that out and work with people that don't roll like that (plenty of them).  A lot of times I'm more focused on the game and get lucky seeing something  someone agrees with me on.  I'm not going to get into a debate in the game day thread, game is more important 

There’s this really annoying poster who likes to point out and predict every 1st down 1.3 yard (or less) rushing attempt.  He’s obnoxious.  

 

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

There is some of that, but there are a few posters I really enjoy following in the game day threads.

 

though you might be referring to me sewer trash material, as I am a regular poster in the game day threads.  If so, you might be on to something...  :P

 

 

 

No no I'm not talking about your posts.

 

Your posts are trash from a really fancy house. Not sewer trash. ;)

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20 minutes ago, Skinsinparadise said:

Hope Giants don't end up with Mack, Gettleman their Gm is an aggressive dude in a win now mode

 

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#Raiders have put Khalil Mack on the trade block. #Jets, #Packers #Giants (among others) are interested.

Wow, Mack is a true game changer and could make our foes much better.  Or maybe for Preston smith and a first, he makes the Redskins much better.  Well worth a phone call. One gruden helping another gruden out.

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1 hour ago, KillBill26 said:

Wow, Mack is a true game changer and could make our foes much better.  Or maybe for Preston smith and a first, he makes the Redskins much better.  Well worth a phone call. One gruden helping another gruden out.

I don't think anyone is worth Payne and Smith. 

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20 minutes ago, Koolblue13 said:

I don't think anyone is worth Payne and Smith. 

A couple things:

 

1. It's hard to argue Mack is one of the best defenders in the game.  He plays a premier position at edge rusher. Preston smith is good and all, but I feel his hype is partly due to potential and what he can become.  He isn't anywhere near the level that mack is.  And Mack is in his prime at 27 years old.  Teams need elite players like mack to get over the hump and win championships.  Here is our chance to pounce.  Imagine Ryan kerrigan as the second best olb "on the other side" that teams aren't paying attention to.  Wow.

 

2. Just to be clear, I was proposing a 2019 first, not Payne, but I'm guessing you understood that and are just using our most recent player taken in the first for context.   First, I feel Payne is special and will be better than the average 13th pick.  Given he is the new force on a revamped d line, his impact will seem huge. I also think with the addition of mack, the skins are a playoff team, picking no earlier than 21st next year, and therefore not as high as Payne was taken.  Lastly, even if it was this particular situation, would you rather have mack and kerrigan on the edge with settle in the middle, or Preston and kerrigan on the edge with settle in the middle.  I vote team mack in a landslide.

 

We also don't even know if we will be able to extend smith, and I'm not a fan of the franchise tag game. The trade for mack would need to be part of an agreement on a LTD, because I wouldnt give that up for a one year rental.

 

I know smith and a first rounder is a good package, but for an edge rusher in his prime, who can play multiple positions in diverse schemes, you absolutely pounce on that opportunity.

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4 hours ago, SkinsGuy said:

 

No no I'm not talking about your posts.

 

Your posts are trash from a really fancy house. Not sewer trash. ;)

Are you stalking me?  We just moved into what might be considered a fancy house.  Please let me know if you are stalking me so I can call the police...

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36 minutes ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Are you stalking me?  We just moved into what might be considered a fancy house.  Please let me know if you are stalking me so I can call the police...

Stalking you? You barely have enough bushes for that! 

37 minutes ago, KillBill26 said:

A couple things:

 

1. It's hard to argue Mack is one of the best defenders in the game.  He plays a premier position at edge rusher. Preston smith is good and all, but I feel his hype is partly due to potential and what he can become.  He isn't anywhere near the level that mack is.  And Mack is in his prime at 27 years old.  Teams need elite players like mack to get over the hump and win championships.  Here is our chance to pounce.  Imagine Ryan kerrigan as the second best olb "on the other side" that teams aren't paying attention to.  Wow.

 

2. Just to be clear, I was proposing a 2019 first, not Payne, but I'm guessing you understood that and are just using our most recent player taken in the first for context.   First, I feel Payne is special and will be better than the average 13th pick.  Given he is the new force on a revamped d line, his impact will seem huge. I also think with the addition of mack, the skins are a playoff team, picking no earlier than 21st next year, and therefore not as high as Payne was taken.  Lastly, even if it was this particular situation, would you rather have mack and kerrigan on the edge with settle in the middle, or Preston and kerrigan on the edge with settle in the middle.  I vote team mack in a landslide.

 

We also don't even know if we will be able to extend smith, and I'm not a fan of the franchise tag game. The trade for mack would need to be part of an agreement on a LTD, because I wouldnt give that up for a one year rental.

 

I know smith and a first rounder is a good package, but for an edge rusher in his prime, who can play multiple positions in diverse schemes, you absolutely pounce on that opportunity.

We were one of the best pass rushing in the league last year. Why throw valuable resources into a hole that's not there?

 

I'm not very high on Smith at all. 

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42 minutes ago, KillBill26 said:

I know smith and a first rounder is a good package, but for an edge rusher in his prime, who can play multiple positions in diverse schemes, you absolutely pounce on that opportunity.

So, the question is, why is he on the trade block.  I'm pretty sure big brother would warn little brother off if there was something other than money.  

 

Also, if it's money, then Bruce is probably as cheap as Jon, so that seems like it wouldn't work.

 

And finally, I might trade Preston for Mack straight up, knowing Mack is better, but I am not sure I would throw in an additional first.  Part of that is because I have absolutely no confidence in this team this year to do better than 8-8, and I think 6-10 is more likely than 10-6, and I wouldn't want to trade away a potential top-10 pick. And I don't think Mack by himself changes that prediction.  

 

I hope like hell I'm wrong, but that's the way I evaluate it...

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Mack is a great player but you don't win championships trading 1st rounders for 27 year olds. Keep drafting/developing your own. When you're close to a chip and need that last piece to get over the hump, then sure roll the dice.

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Based on how this FO does business I think Preston and Norman are gone next year, we could use either along with a pick to get him.

 

Problem is Jon Gruden knows those players and probably wouldn't want them.

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1 hour ago, Koolblue13 said:

We were one of the best pass rushing in the league last year. Why throw valuable resources into a hole that's not there?

 

I'm not very high on Smith at all. 

I understand your logic, but an opportunity to make our front 7 elite is worth it to me.  The Giants d line won them 2 super bowls for an otherwise rather unspectactular team.  

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1 hour ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

So, the question is, why is he on the trade block.  I'm pretty sure big brother would warn little brother off if there was something other than money.  

 

Also, if it's money, then Bruce is probably as cheap as Jon, so that seems like it wouldn't work.

 

And finally, I might trade Preston for Mack straight up, knowing Mack is better, but I am not sure I would throw in an additional first.  Part of that is because I have absolutely no confidence in this team this year to do better than 8-8, and I think 6-10 is more likely than 10-6, and I wouldn't want to trade away a potential top-10 pick. And I don't think Mack by himself changes that prediction.  

 

I hope like hell I'm wrong, but that's the way I evaluate it...

You are right, there is a risk involved regarding our record this year.  I would still take the risk.  

 

I think our front seven will be a great unit this year as it stands.  Now imagine inserting the best player of the unit, Khalil Mack.  He is the type of the guy the offense is looking for the second they break the huddle.  They have been working on how to stop him all week.  Don't forget about kerrigan on the other side, if you don't account for him, he will make you pay.  Allen, Payne, ioannides are all beasts up front that not only occupy blockers, but can penetrate as well.  The offense already has their hands full, which allows the human missile Zach brown to fly all over the field and make plays. And Mason foster does well in his role, he may be the best "worst player" on any given teams front seven.  That group has a chance to be special. Special front sevens win championships. 

 

As far as your first two points, if there are any character concerns, deal is off.  Only pull the trigger if an LTD is done at the time of the trade.

 

But you are right, if we get the injury bug and some players disappoint, we may be giving the raiders a nice draft pick.  Looking at the Texans, who gave up what ended up being the 4th overall pick for deshaun watson, do you think they regret it after landing such an impact player?  They wouldn't undo the trade.  And that's pretty close to a worst case scenario.  

 

I know we have been burned by giving up draft picks for the sexy names in the past, but for an elite pass rusher in his prime, I think it's worth the risk.

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4 hours ago, Springfield said:

I don’t think that the Redskins are going to be very good seasonand that’s ok with me.

Same thing was said 10 months ago 

#Not gonna be suck this year

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2 hours ago, Warhead36 said:

Mack is a great player but you don't win championships trading 1st rounders for 27 year olds. Keep drafting/developing your own. When you're close to a chip and need that last piece to get over the hump, then sure roll the dice.

Here's why I think it's tempting: Preston is 25 so matter what he does this year he's getting overpaid.  I don't see him ever being as good as Mack, he's too nice, at least with Mack you get what you pay for.  I wouldn't surrender a first unless we had to, I'd offer Norman instead.

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4 hours ago, Voice_of_Reason said:

Are you stalking me?  We just moved into what might be considered a fancy house.  Please let me know if you are stalking me so I can call the police...

 

Well if I was stalking you, I wouldn't tell you.

 

BTW, you do have a fancy house. Nice doorbell. ?

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12 hours ago, Springfield said:

I don’t think that the Redskins are going to be very good seasonand that’s ok with me.

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Seasonand,  Let's not kill the season before it starts. 

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4 hours ago, SWFLSkins said:

 

Seasonand,  Let's not kill the season before it starts. 

 

I’ll watch every game, my expectations are just... tempered.

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I watched a video of Carson Wentz working out yesterday, he doesn't look anywhere close to being ready, I actually saw his leg buckle a little bit as he moved around in the pocket.

 

Its gonna be interesting to see how this injury affects him going forward.

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