RDSKNfaithfull Posted June 18, 2003 Share Posted June 18, 2003 This is from a Jet board............... Well it's that time of year again when the pro football magazines come out with all the info on all teams and all the news, predictions etc. And as usual, no one gives the Jets any respect and once again they are picked to finish dead last in the AFC East this season by every magazine i've read, Lindeys, Sporting News, Street & Smiths, and even the lower less popular magazines. Everyone again picks the dirty Dolphins to win the division, some very on second place with most picking Buffalo, some New England, but they all have the Jets last due to the loss of Coles, and Randy Thomas. They say Conway is no Coles and that with Martin getting older and the weak secondary will hurt the Jets, the Jets will not be able to compete with the rest of the east especially since they all made so many moves to help their teams and the Jets really didn't make any big moves. They also said Cowart is done, he'll never be what he was befor the injury, Mo is fat old and to slow to play anymore and Jones is to old as well. I say this is B.S. Coles was nothing when Vinny was the starter, it wasn't until Pennington came in did Coles finally emerge. Curtis was hurt most of last year and still went over 1'000. If he's healthy this year, he will be his usual self. The Jets picked up Tom Nutten to replace Thomas and i say he will fill that role just fine and the Jets line will be fine. With Pennington as the QB Conway should also fill in for Coles just fine, although he's not as fast, he can still play. This is Moss's year to step up. He has the speed that Coles had and can stretch the field. Plus good old Wayne is still here for those great 3rd down catches. Throw in Betch and Baker and the Jets offense will be just fine. I can go on and on but i won't. Yes the Bills added some good defenseive guys like Spikes and Adams, the Fins have R.Williams doing great for them and they added Seau. The Pats got Rodney Williams. The Jets didn't do much but they are still the AFC East Champs and didn't need to make alot of moves. Let the deadskins have Coles and Thomas. They have been replaced. Hall is no big deal, it's not like he's Vinitari or something. Mortan going stinks, but he only took 2 td's back in week one, other then that, he had none. The Jets still have Pennington, Martin, Jordan, Moss, Chrebet, Mawae, J.Abraham, Ellis, D.Abraham and many other important guys. The Jets are still the team to beat in the East, so screw the media, they pick Miami every year and every year they choke, especially last year. Had the Jets blow the division lead in the last two games the way Miami did, the media would have kill the Jets for it and written them off big time. But no, the Jets win the Division coming back from a 2-5 start, destroy the Colts in the playoffs, but yet, comeing into this year, they are picked dead last? Give me a break. These fools will never be able to pick anything corret. Go Jets, prove them wrong once again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prosperity Posted June 18, 2003 Share Posted June 18, 2003 They are in a very good conference and with the raping in the offseason they are the obvious weakest link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bang Posted June 18, 2003 Share Posted June 18, 2003 I don't know that the Jets will fall all the way. Miami is as reliable a choker as a first time porn starlet Buffalo looks much better, but it still remains to be played. The Pats look stronger, but with their lackluster run game last year not changing much this year, they could falter from the high hopes. The Jets could easily compete, and I don't think that we really slashed their jugular by swiping these players,, we hurt them, sure, but we didn't shove them to the bottom of that division. But for Pete's sake,, enough with the Curtis Conway song and dance. One more time for Jets fans... If you spoon feed yourself dogshlt, but TELL yourself it's pudding, you may be able to swallow it, but in reality it is still just a bowl of dogshlt. ~Bang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skinsanity56 Posted June 18, 2003 Share Posted June 18, 2003 ya i gotta go with the pats(belichek adding colvin & harrison to his D) or the bills.my bro's a fins fan & he as well as all fishfans know when dec. comes the choke happens every yr.vegas should give odds on it.. as for the article,maybe it will start to sink in for them not only hearing it from us.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief skin Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 J-E-T-S have no one to blame but themselves for their demise, I would like to be a fly on the wall to hear how Edwards really feels about management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty dread Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 Jets fans are seriously kidding themselves if they think losing Coles, Thomas, Hall and Morton won't have any sort of effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 Mortan going stinks, but he only took 2 td's back in week one, other then that, he had none. That about sums up the man's ignorance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 The problem with Jets fans seems to be a basic break from reality. They were an unimpressive 9-7 football team. While they finished very well, they lost their most dangerous offensive weapon in Coles. They have lost a major game changer in the return game in Morton. They have lost a young, emerging lineman in Thomas. They have lost a solid outdoor kicker in Hall. They have not markedly replaced even those losses. While they have hopes for their defensive tackle, they reached with a middle linebacker that is of similar grade to guys we got as free agents. They are a slow team, especially so with Morton and Coles gone. They are creeping up in age with a number of guys 30 and over. The rest of their division has improved and that can't be said of the Jets. Yet through all of this, they simply proclaim a soft division crown with a weak schedule as evidence that this year they are going to rocket back to the top. While it could happen, it seems to me they've lost more ground than they know and they continue to demonstrate how little they know with declarations of assured strength when in truth they seem more like the cop telling people to leave the scene of a deadly accident, intoning, "There's nothing to see here." They are reassured while we are amused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganggreen76 Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 In 2000 the Jets had a new coach, 1st year post-Parcells and they traded Keyshawn Johnson to the Bucs for two 1st round picks, no one gave us a shot to even compete for the division crown. The Jets were 9-4 with three games remaining in the season, after that we suffered through one of the all-time great choke jobs in the history of the franchise but the point is the Jets were better than people thought they'd be before the season started. Last year we were replacing TWO starters on the o-line, Kerry Jenkins (LG) and Ryan Young (RT), this year we are only replacing one starter on the o-line and we've replaced him with Tom Nutten, maybe he's not Randy Thomas but he's also no punk, he's started in two SB's. Will our passing game be as strong without Coles? If it's not, we've still got one of the best running games in the league with Curtis and Lamont, Chad's play action fake (the best in the league) will take advantage of this. We'll see how things turn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TC4 Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 Originally posted by Bang But for Pete's sake,, enough with the Curtis Conway song and dance. One more time for Jets fans... If you spoon feed yourself dogshlt, but TELL yourself it's pudding, you may be able to swallow it, but in reality it is still just a bowl of dogshlt. ~Bang Or Bang, to put it another way, just because you pour surup on sh!t DON'T make it pancakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 GG, Other than your assertive belief that you still have one of the best running games in the league with Martin and Jordan, may I ask that you support that assertion with supporting facts? See, I don't see how you have one of the best running games in the league with those two guys. You had those two guys last year and you were 22nd in the league in rushing. Is 22nd in the league in rushing the ball among the elite teams in football in reality, or merely in a hazy universe in which it is suddenly easy being green, therefore, even poor performances lead to declarations of dominance? You were tied for 24th in yards per attempt. You weren't good there. Yet, you had Martin and Jordan still. You were 26th in first downs rushing. Yet, you had Martin and Jordan still. In fact, in every conceivable way one judges successful running games the conclusion one comes to when looking at the Jets is that your running game is among the worst in the league. Yet, that you come to the polar opposite conclusion tends to speak volumes for the real problem with Jet fans. That basic disconnect from reality I spoke about earlier. So, while Chad may have the best play action fake in football, a title seriously in doubt in any league with Manning and even Favre, my question is, since it did so little for you last year, why must it automatically signal superiority for you this year? When you reconcile your true weaknesses with a clarity and vision you seem to lack I fear you may be more fretful about the future than you'd be inclined to admit. So, absent that, continue the bravissimo commentary. It's hollow. We see the truth. But, if you're happy, that's important and we care about your happiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NavyDave Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 The upcoming week of game one of the new season is gonna intense. I hope both teams are healthy so we can fairly access the Ramsey v penington, Coles v Conway, and S Double Edwards battles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJWatson3 Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 Art, that was an excellent reply to an ignorant post. I for one have talked to many rational Jets fans that are very worried about their team. A fellow I work with, one of my good friends up here, has become a die-hard Skins hater after this offseason. While he is bummed about Thomas and Hall, he has worked himself into a violent rage over the losses of Coles and especially Morton. He claims that those two won half their games last year with their spectacular play.... so everyone shouldn't be fooled into thinking that all Jets fans are a bunch of well-wishing morons... some of them can make sense of the off-season impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganggreen76 Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 Art, you focus too much on the statistics. The facts are that Curtis was REALLY hurting ALL of last year, he suffered a severely sprained ankle in the season opener against Buffalo, even though he didn't miss any games, he was a non-factor until week 5. He still managed to rush for over 1,000 yards and have a 4.2 ypc average. JP Machado was playing in place of the injured Dave Szott at LG until December. Machado sucked. Lamont Jordan didn't step up for us last year while Curtis was hurting, he fumbled too much etc. BUT he has proven to be a nice change of pace back when Curtis is in there. Some Jets fans even believe he has all the tools to be one of the elite rb's in the NFL. The Jets have already stated we will see more of Lamont in 2003. Curtis will be healthier. http://nfl.com/players/playerpage/1132 http://nfl.com/players/playerpage/235223 Barring any injuries, I KNOW we will have one of the best running games in the NFL. There is no doubt in my mind about this. Instead of focusing on all the players we've lost this offseason while predicting certain doom for the 2003 Jets, try focusing on the 'intangibles', maybe then you will be able to see why so many Jets fans are still optimistic heading into 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
@DCGoldPants Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 I like Lamont at UMD a lot...and when he interned for the Skins/980 during camp. GG, explain to me how you guys improve the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SonnyJ Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 When all else is lost, focus on the "intangibles." Didn't Custer say that at Little Big Horn? I guess only the Jets have extenuating circumstances. The Redskins had a makeshift OL, their #1 RB was injured frequently and missed many games and were forced to play still-unproven RBs, supposedly ran a pass-happy O with has-beens or a rookie at the QB position, yet still managed to out-do the Jets running game. But, you KNOW the Jets will have one of the best running games. Despite losing their top WR and a starting G. Because of 'intangibles.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Hog Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 The AFC East is going to be a tough division this year. I'd have to pick Miami or the Pats to be on top... but it will be tough going for the Jets this year unless some young superstars emerge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 It is intriguing, isn't it Sonny? The Redskins had all those circumstances and blew away the Jets running game. Lamont Jordan is a PROVEN player with Martin around. Yet, he's not even done as much as Kenny Watson who is a guy we may end up cutting. Jet fans seem to have built up an immunity to reality. Most running backs IMPROVE after they hit 30. Especially those who've had heavy carries like Martin, right? Jordan is maybe a hope. We all have hopes. But since we're talking about intangibles here, I guess we have one of the best passing games in football. Let's ignore the stats and the youth of Ramsey. Intangibly speaking, we're near the top. Really, in every category I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thinking Skins Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 Why are you all so quick to talk about the jets? People say that they haven't done enough to cancel out their losses, but I say just turn to our own division and Philly. As much as I hate them as a team, they have consistently stayed at the top of the division despite not caring about many of the players they have lost. One of the big reasons that they are able to return to the top is because of McNabb. I'm not ready to put Pennington on that level just yet, but Pennington is a damn good QB and I wouldn't be so quick to count him out just yet. Turning to our division again, look at how each year the Redskins make all the moves in the world to sure up their holes on the team and all that happens is each year, either we see that the holes were not adequately filled or we find new holes that need to be filled. I dont see how people can automatically assume that a team like Buffalo will be that good when they have so many holes to fill. Miami is a choke artist. And Indy had so many holes on defense. I mean its easy to say that its an open battle in the AFC east. I can understand some people having favorites, but there can't be any sure thing favorite to win in that division. But thats just my two cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 Until they prove otherwise, the Jets are a streaky team that wins and loses in bunches, and ends up around .500. Other than that I don't really think about them all that much. Of course, until WE prove otherwise, the Redskins are an inconsistant bunch of mercenaries and underachievers who always end up around .500. Then again, this IS a Redskin board, so I can see why we'd be more interested in discussing them around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty dread Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 Who wants to bet that Robertson will be a bust? He has Big Daddy written all over him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganggreen76 Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 Originally posted by Dagwood Bufford I like Lamont at UMD a lot...and when he interned for the Skins/980 during camp. GG, explain to me how you guys improve the team. DB, 'Intangibles' going into 2003: 1. A healthy Curtis Martin 2. A healthy Mawae, Fabini and Szott plus only one new starter on the o-line. That veteran starter has two recent SB appearances on his resume, I don't expect much of a dropoff, if any. Clearly the best o-line in the AFC East. 3. Chad Pennington, he goes into 2003 knowing he's the starter, knowing it's 'his' team. He's got some playing experience under his belt and he's ready to build off of what he did last year. 4. We don't have SIX new starters on our defense this season, Mgraw shows promise at FS and guess what? He was here last year so he knows our system. This unit played as well as any in the NFL the 2nd half of 2002. 5. FieldTurf in the Meadowlands. Curtis LOVES playing on turf. John Abraham, Robertson, Evans, Cowart, Santana Moss on PR's... 6. The Jets have fared well against their division foes since 1998. The Jets OWN the Miami Dolphins, having won nine out of the last ten games against them. The Jets have 7-3 records against NE and Buffalo since 1998. 7. Herm and the coaching staff. 8. Dewayne Robertson. All the haters can do is hope this guy is a bust because if he isn't a bust... lined up next to Abraham and co... Fearsome. We've still got ?'s, we don't know whether Conway and Moss can stay healthy at wr. Can Bryan Thomas become a player for us? Evans? But I still expect the Jets to be in the thick of the AFC East race in 2003. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 Originally posted by blakman211 Why are you all so quick to talk about the jets? People say that they haven't done enough to cancel out their losses, but I say just turn to our own division and Philly. As much as I hate them as a team, they have consistently stayed at the top of the division despite not caring about many of the players they have lost. One of the big reasons that they are able to return to the top is because of McNabb. I'm not ready to put Pennington on that level just yet, but Pennington is a damn good QB and I wouldn't be so quick to count him out just yet. Unlike the Jets, the Eagles rely on the strength of an entire unit (ie. defense) as well as the play of a franchise QB. McNabb rarely wins a game entirely on his own. And he is usually a slow starter in games. What he does excel at is making game-changing plays at critical times.... but he's put in that position by the defense to begin with. We're talking about a defense that has ranked among the top 3 in football the past 3-4 years. You don't win with Koy Detmer and their 3rd string QB without it. The Jets don't even compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 3. Chad Pennington, he goes into 2003 knowing he's the starter, knowing it's 'his' team. He's got some playing experience under his belt and he's ready to build off of what he did last year. That's not necessarily a plus for Chad. It's MUCH easier to come off the bench and put together a few good games, than to be "the man" from Day One. Just ask Tom Brady, Randal Cunningham, Trent Dilfer ... or Jim Harbaugh ... or Scott Mitchell ... or Bubby Brister ... Just something to think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Art Posted June 19, 2003 Share Posted June 19, 2003 Chad Pennington's record as a starter for the Jets is the same as Tony Banks' record as a starter was for the Redskins. I don't know what Pennington will become as a player. He could be a special player. He could revert a little because as Henry points out, KNOWING you're the man means to some people that you've accomplished what you need to accomplish and the work ethic wans a little. It also means the opposition has reams of film. EVERY QB has a stage where the opposition knows him well enough to take various strengths away from him and it is only the exceptional player who can exploit what teams think is a weakness and still win. Chad will face that this year. He'll have teams forcing him to do the things he's not as good at and ONLY if he can win playing to his weaknesses will he become a legitimate star. Certainly that's plausible in his case. But, it's not necessarily a given. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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