CAPT_CHAOS47 Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090711/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_brady_missing_flower_boxes BOSTON – A convicted bank robber who says he had to panhandle to repay a debt to New England Patriots quarterback Tom Brady has had his debt erased by a local businessman. Dennis Paiva was ordered by a court to pay $4,000 after selling Brady's expensive flower boxes for scrap metal, mistakenly believing they'd been put behind Brady's Boston condominium as trash in May 2008. Dan Greenwald, the owner of a Burlington ad agency, said he decided to pay the restitution after reading about Paiva's plight in the Boston Herald on Friday. Greenwald said it seemed as if Paiva, who says he can't work because of recent surgery, got "the rawest of raw deals." The 61-year-old Paiva said Greenwald's gift was like "a dream come true." What the hell is a flower box? And if its that expensive why would you have it out back near the trash? Also why did the open the story with A Convicted Bank robber? What did that have to do with the story... If i was as rich as brady i could give a crap about a flower box... Unless is was covered in diamonds or something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ixcuincle Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Yeah I read about this the other day on ESPN. ESPN story mentioned the detective who confronted him and was like "You need to return those flower boxes you don't want to know who they belong to" lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 You really don't know what a flower box is ? I have never owned any flowers. I have bought them for ladies over the years. I do not have a green thumb. I can't even keep cactus alive. But the box, is the thing that they put them in. Not in the garden, but on a balcony or porch/terrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forehead Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 When this story broke on ESPN, there was a lot of back and forth going on in the comments, as well as some information that isn't being included in the story you posted, including the fact that Brady may not have even known about this. I personally have zero sympathy for the guy. For one thing, he's a previously convicted former bank robber, so I immediately wonder how innocent he really was in the whole deal. Secondly, I believe the original ESPN article said he told the police he had "no idea what they were talking about" until they told him they had him on tape. Strike 2. Third, he apparently was supporting himself by rooting through people's trash and taking stuff from alleys behind their houses, finding things to resell. Something like this was bound to happen eventually, he just happened to get caught and to have made an expensive error. Something else that disturbed me about the ESPN comments. So many people were taking Brady to task because he's wealthy and this guy is poor, and how dare he make this guy pay for the things he took. I say who gives a flying ****. Being poor doesn't give you any more of a right to break the law, and being rich doesn't mean that you deserve any more to be a victim then the next person. If I was Brady, I damn sure wouldn't let this go, the dude stole from him. Life situations are no excuse for stealing people's stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Life situations are no excuse for stealing people's stuff. Because you can ask them for it. They dont care if you take it or not. Sounds like he is stealing trash though. Ehh... I have a car that I have driven once in 7 years...if someone stole it, so what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPT_CHAOS47 Posted July 13, 2009 Author Share Posted July 13, 2009 When this story broke on ESPN, there was a lot of back and forth going on in the comments, as well as some information that isn't being included in the story you posted, including the fact that Brady may not have even known about this.I personally have zero sympathy for the guy. For one thing, he's a previously convicted former bank robber, so I immediately wonder how innocent he really was in the whole deal. Secondly, I believe the original ESPN article said he told the police he had "no idea what they were talking about" until they told him they had him on tape. Strike 2. Third, he apparently was supporting himself by rooting through people's trash and taking stuff from alleys behind their houses, finding things to resell. Something like this was bound to happen eventually, he just happened to get caught and to have made an expensive error. Something else that disturbed me about the ESPN comments. So many people were taking Brady to task because he's wealthy and this guy is poor, and how dare he make this guy pay for the things he took. I say who gives a flying ****. Being poor doesn't give you any more of a right to break the law, and being rich doesn't mean that you deserve any more to be a victim then the next person. If I was Brady, I damn sure wouldn't let this go, the dude stole from him. Life situations are no excuse for stealing people's stuff. I am not saying he is an angel and has the right to steal from the rich..But if its out with the trash...Then its fair game. I would rather see him dumpster diving then robbing banks.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forehead Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 I am not saying he is an angel and has the right to steal from the rich..But if its out with the trash...Then its fair game. I would rather see him dumpster diving then robbing banks.... Understand that my response wasn't directed specifically at you, it was at all the people who had commented on ESPN. It astounds me how permissive our society can be of this sort of thing when the victim is rich and the perpetrator is poor; how many people take the "how dare the rich guy pursue this" line of thinking. I consider that an issue. From what I read, the flowerpots (how the hell can flowerpots be worth $8,000?) were near the trash but not actually with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 You guys really believe him when he says he found them with the trash? :doh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kosher Ham Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 You guys really believe him when he says he found them with the trash? :doh: Not at all. I just dont care about that as much as other crimes. Violent crimes and sexual crimes tip the scales a lot more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Not at all. I just dont care about that as much as other crimes. Violent crimes and sexual crimes tip the scales a lot more. Cool, I'll come over and steal $4,000 from you then .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techboy Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Cool, I'll come over and steal $4,000 from you then .... Try taking his car, as he suggested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MurrayH81 Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Okay, I don't know the dude who was convicted of stealing, any more than I know Brady. Being poor is not an excuse for breaking the law. Being rich is not an excuse for having no compassion. It does sound like this guy was trying to support himself by doing some trash recovery. It makes sense to do that where rich folks live (e.g. their trash is stuff that non-rich folks can typically use or sell for reasonable money). It also appears to me that many folks on here would disdain this guy if he was doing anything. If he was at the local unemployment office, we would disdain him as a societal leach. If he was panhandling, we would disdain him for doing that. If he was robbing banks again, we would disdain him for doing that. To satisfy some of you, I guess he should just disappear. In these tough times, a little compassion is free, and can really help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 To satisfy some of you, I guess he should just disappear. In these tough times, a little compassion is free, and can really help. Compassion and accountability are not mutually exclusive. ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forehead Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Compassion and accountability are not mutually exclusive.... Precisely, it sounds as if he's in a bad situation. Still doesn't mean I'm going to excuse what he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.A.C.O.L.B. Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Also why did the open the story with A Convicted Bank robber? What did that have to do with the story... Well nowadays if you are a felon that felony defines who you are as a human being for all of eternity. He's not really a man anymore. He's a bank robber. A felon. Even if the event took place 40 years ago when he was 20 years old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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