Die Hard Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 As a Single Wing coach... I have a special interest in all SW teams that run the offense I was introduced to Apopka last year (2001 6A State champs) when they faced off against Mississippi's South Panola Tigers... who owned the nation's longest winning streak at the time 75 games (5 yeads) and 3rd longest in history. Came across this video in a Single Wing forum: As coaches... we could only dream of having this kind of highlight video each season. Video editing and music selection is top notch.... all done by a student at the school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted July 7, 2009 Author Share Posted July 7, 2009 Music titles: ES Posthumus: (1) Unstoppable (2) Arise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 I can't quite decide if the Single Wing is going to ruin the NFL or make it more exciting. I guess we'll see this year. More teams are bound to copy it given the Dolphins' success with it. But still it is very interesting to see an offense developed by Pop Warner in the early 20th Century having so much success today. My dad tells me when he played Freshman HS ball, every team in the conference ran the single wing. By the time he graduated, nobody did. They had all moved on to an offense "more advanced". This would have been around 1956-59. Now my dad is not a football fan (or fan of "watching" any sport)... but he was wildly entertained this past season by the Dolphins running the offense he knew so well from when he was a kid. So here we are in 2009, and modern NFL defenses are getting schooled out of their pads by such a basic offense. So, I wonder who the first NFL College coach will be to bring back the wishbone? Hell, why not? I bet it would work. And what will the next great offense be? Seems like there hasn't been much in the way of inovation since the WCO. I guess you could count the shotgun spread... but that is too dependent on personnel. Anyways- if (when) American Football truly becomes an international sport, it will be wildly entertaining to see what kind of schemes foreign countries and coaches come up with, or what schemes from America's past they might resurect that we've forgotten about. This is the kind of strategy that makes football the best game on earth, imo (sorry, probably a bit OT) ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 I can't quite decide if the Single Wing is going to ruin the NFL or make it more exciting. I guess we'll see this year. More teams are bound to copy it given the Dolphins' success with it.But still it is very interesting to see an offense developed by Pop Warner in the early 20th Century having so much success today. My dad tells me when he played Freshman HS ball, every team in the conference ran the single wing. By the time he graduated, nobody did. They had all moved on to an offense "more advanced". This would have been around 1956-59. But now here we are, and modern NFL defenses are getting schooled out of their pads by such a basic offense. So, I wonder who the first NFL College coach will be to bring back the wishbone? Hell, why not? I bet it would work. And what will the next great offense be? Seems like there hasn't been much in the way of inovation since the WCO. I guess you could count the shotgun spread... but that is too dependent on personnel. Anyways- if (when) American Football truly becomes an international sport, it will be wildly entertaining to see what kind of schemes foreign countries and coaches come up with, or what schemes from America's past they might resurect that we've forgotten about. This is the kind of strategy that makes football the best game on earth, imo ..... the single wing will never be the focal point of any pro offense. it will be a gimmicky flash in the pan. it'll be brought out from time to time as a change of pace / something the D didn't gameplan for...but defenses adjust (take a look at it's effectiveness the 2nd time around in the 'fins / pats game)...and it's a copy cat league, so it'll have it's little time in the sun. it's a great offense up to the high school level. it takes massive amounts of game planning to stop a well ran single wing. it's fun to watch, frustrating to defend...just like the option. you know, rich rod's offense is an off-shoot of the single wing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 you know, rich rod's offense is an off-shoot of the single wing. So is Urban Myer's (I think) I know it wasn't the base offense for Miami - but I think it could be. The problem Miami had was they didn't have a guy who could pass and run. Ronnie Brown lining up under center and the d knew what was coming. But if you get a guy like Randle El or a Tim Tebow- I think it could be deadly at the pro level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 :paranoid: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 So is Urban Myer's (I think)I know it wasn't the base offense for Miami - but I think it could be. The problem Miami had was they didn't have a guy who could pass and run. Ronnie Brown lining up under center and the d knew what was coming. But if you get a guy like Randle El or a Tim Tebow- I think it could be deadly at the pro level actually, urban meyers is an off shoot of rr. i really don't think so. everyone is so fast at the pro level, and all the misdirection takes time to develop. keep in mind, the dolphins has almost all of their success out of the single wing on ONE play. to be honest, i'm not sure what took the pats so long to adjust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 That's a great video, was hoping to see some more of their formations but that option in the beginning was nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 i really don't think so.everyone is so fast at the pro level, and all the misdirection takes time to develop. . You might be right of course - and prior to last year, I always said that I'd love to see Urban Myer run his candy ass **** at the pro level (I cannot ****ing stand that jackhole). But I'm really not convinced of that anymore. I think we'll see a lot more of it this season... and if a team gets a legitimate run/pass threat behind center it could be deadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Yeah, the wish bone would be tough to do with the speed in the NFL. Blitz it. I am in complete agreement that offensive progress has stalled in recent years. However, I think the defenses have really progressed well. It's time for the offense to take some steps forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 You might be right of course - and prior to last year, I always said that I'd love to see Urban Myer run his candy ass **** at the pro level (I cannot ****ing stand that jackhole). But I'm really not convinced of that anymore. I think we'll see a lot more of it this season... and if a team gets a legitimate run/pass threat behind center it could be deadly. i agree, we'll see it this season. but put me on record as saying that this is a fad that won't last much past this year. this is coming from a guy who would LOVE to see pat white explode in the single wing with the dolphins. if that happens, i'll happily be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Yeah, the wish bone would be tough to do with the speed in the NFL. Blitz it. exactly. but you don't even have to blitz it. you need the de on the side the motion (and fake hand off) is going to to stay home. he can single handedly account for the motion man. your mlb has to make tackles. he'll have chances. but yeah, it's more fun to blitz it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkinsHokieFan Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Discipline. Thats what these defenses need to stop these single wing or option offenses. Play your assignment and focus on that only. Thats why Bud Foster's D eats up spread option/ triple option (see GT) whatever offenses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GibbsFactor Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Play a little backbone and it's won. I just hope my Skins are practicing some backbone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted July 7, 2009 Author Share Posted July 7, 2009 - Zoony, the Dolphins drafted Pat White (Major should know this) so they will have a more legitimate passing option from the Single Wing. - From an article that I've recently read from Bill Parcells.... Miami's wildcat formation is going to expand this year BECAUSE it will be increasing the passing component/option of the offense. - I seriously doubt the SW offense can be a base offense for an NFL. You have to have balance (run/pass) in the NFL and big-play capability. The Single Wing offense is primarily a ball-control offense -- there are no cupcakes at the NFL level that you'll just overpower with athleticism. It might be in the game play for certain opponents (ie. high scoring opponents).... but you're not going to see it at the base formation week-to-week. - I think Major is selling the offense short. It's a fantastic offense right up until the NFL. It's already very prominent in the US college game. I'm talking at least a dozen of the best college football programs in the States. - Heck, 2 years ago it got Darren McFadden and Felix Jones both drafted in the first round And the Gators won a couple of national championships with it Here's a recent Urban Meyer article where he talks a lot about it: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orl-florida-gators-urban-meyer-qa-25062509,0,4830230.htmlstory - The Single Wing is far from a "gimmicky" offense. It's one of the most fundamentally sound offenses ever produced. It's an offense that attacks every part of the field. It beats you with a very sound blocking scheme. It beats you with a blocking technique that much easier to execute than a "drive" block. It beats you with backfield deception. It beats with you with more blockers at the POA than you have defenders. How is that last point possible? Because you don't have a QB who hands off and basically does nothing on run plays... so the offense is basically playing with 10 players. When you're QB is a legitimate run/pass option.... you know have 1 extra blocker in the blocking scheme. That's HUGE! Interviewer: What about the single wing has given it the staying power? Urban MEYER: "The fact you can run the ball when everybody is blocked. You'll hear a saying around here: 'Never run the ball against an unblocked defender.' Never do it! And I'm kind of giving you everything we do here." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted July 7, 2009 Author Share Posted July 7, 2009 That's a great video, was hoping to see some more of their formations but that option in the beginning was nice. Go on youtube.com and do a search on single wing offense. There's more videos than you have time And don't be shy watching the videos from teams with 7-8 year olds. They're surprisingly very good. Honestly, it's a beautiful offense to watch. If you don't have a very good defense with good discipline.... it's almost comical to watch defenses attempt to stop it... and watch ballcarriers run to the end zone completely untouched. It's base play is the off-tackle run (ie. power). Gotta respect that.... rather than coaches who put the fastest kid at tailback and run basic sweeps (ie. ghetto ball). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted July 7, 2009 Author Share Posted July 7, 2009 You might be right of course - and prior to last year, I always said that I'd love to see Urban Myer run his candy ass **** at the pro level (I cannot ****ing stand that jackhole). But I'm really not convinced of that anymore. I think we'll see a lot more of it this season... and if a team gets a legitimate run/pass threat behind center it could be deadly. Urban Meyer meets up with Brian Belichick every year (ie. BB comes to visit him at the Florida campus)... to talk X's and O's... etc. Don't worry... when Meyer is ready to go pro... his offense will be prepared for NFL defenses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Harris Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 just to clarify, i didn't mean to say that the sw is a gimmick offense...it's a great offense. one of my favorites to watch. i just mean that's basically what it is right now at the PRO level. i did mis-speak..it is a viable offense at the college level (at least off-shoots of it. you don't see many teams lining up in a base single wing. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Urban Meyer meets up with Brian Belichick every year (ie. BB comes to visit him at the Florida campus)... to talk X's and O's... etc. Don't worry... when Meyer is ready to go pro... his offense will be prepared for NFL defenses :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted July 7, 2009 Author Share Posted July 7, 2009 i just mean that's basically what it is right now at the PRO level. i did mis-speak..it is a viable offense at the college level (at least off-shoots of it. you don't see many teams lining up in a base single wing. ) True... there's an incredible amount of variations right now the Single Wing. I haven't explored anything yet besides the basic formation... which gives me more than enough options. But if I was coaching high school ball... and I was playing the same teams/coaches every year.... absolutely, I'd be adding new wrinkles to it all the time. If you are a fan of the Single Wing.... look up Menominee. A high school in Michigan that's been winning state championships with frequency. Their offense is amazing to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrockster21 Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 :mad: What are you more mad about - that he meets with Bill Belichek, or that its probably Dan Snyder who will experiment with hiring Meyer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted July 7, 2009 Author Share Posted July 7, 2009 :mad: Here's a quote from a Single Wing message board I frequent: "I was no fan of Bellicheck, but at meyer's coaching clinic, Chucky of Buc's fame and Bellicheck spoke. Chucky was hilarious and very engaging. Bellicheck was a terrible speaker, but it only took about 2 minutes to figure out why he wins so much. He went on at length about minute details, things you wouldn't even think of. He watches everyting and no detail is too small. He was very impressive. Believe me, winning is no accident with him." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoony Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 What are you more mad about - that he meets with Bill Belichek, or that its probably Dan Snyder who will experiment with hiring Meyer? Here's a quote from a Single Wing message board I frequent:"I was no fan of Bellicheck, but at meyer's coaching clinic, Chucky of Buc's fame and Bellicheck spoke. Chucky was hilarious and very engaging. Bellicheck was a terrible speaker, but it only took about 2 minutes to figure out why he wins so much. He went on at length about minute details, things you wouldn't even think of. He watches everyting and no detail is too small. He was very impressive. Believe me, winning is no accident with him." While I certainly think BB is a good coach, I think the NFL is filled with good coaches. Not every one of them has the luxury of getting the greatest QB in NFL History in the 6th round of the draft though. BB was poor to mediocre in Cleveland, and a loser in New England before Brady came out of nowhere. Again, not saying BB is lucky or a bad coach- he's not- but I'll never buy the hype about the guy. If he's smart he'll retire when Brady does. But no doubt I think what seperates coaches at the pro level are the ones who can really get their teams buy in for what it is they are doing. BB has that. Parcells got it everywhere he went. Gibbs even had it, though he was hamstrung with very mediocre talent his second go-round. And once you get the team's buy in, what follows that is a tremendous amount of work focused towards one thing... you have a winner. Zorn doesn't have it, let's hope he can get it. /hijack ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuraitengai Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 That's a great video, was hoping to see some more of their formations but that option in the beginning was nice. great video from the editing parts of it. i wasnt all that impressed with the clip selection. it wasnt really anything that i didnt see my high school do 10 years ago and they were a crappy AAA team at a school known for its basketball team. same kind of stuff. so it wasnt anything that stood out, like watching a reggie bush USC highlight reel or a dmac or ap reel. the only thing i got that stands out from hs is this. saw it happen while watching the national championship game in 93. and thought id never see it again. then a guy i played ball with did it our senior year to a wr running a short crossing route. and another guy, a TE, announces in spanish class that he would go for an 80yard td on the first play. then sure enough, he did it. but got called back on a holding penalty. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Die Hard Posted July 7, 2009 Author Share Posted July 7, 2009 Here's a highlight video of a 9-year old team (Ie. Vikings) running the SW: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay9CDzGROlc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-ejsPAAEhI&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hNHQNC9iRg&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP0EZSsCzeE&feature=related You may not appreciate the intricacies of the offensive play series... but this is the offense running the T-series plays (1/2 spin): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSFbbB_6VeQ Here is the "spinner" series (at least 1 play of the series): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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