Proposed solution to the QB situation

[TheTotalPackage]

getting away from racism talk.....

We wont get rid of Tod Collins for this reason:

We didn't trade next years no.1 draft pick for Sanchez b/c next year is the draft of the quarterbacks. Would Sanchez have been as high a pick coming out with the likes of McCoy, Bradford, and Tebow??? NO!!

Now seeing as this team never rebuilds but is not a perennial playoff team and just hovers in mediocrity, we will see how JC does this season and make our decision: successful-resign him, Collins is expendable, Brennan is possible backup. Or he struggles,let him go, we draft one of these 3 by any means necessary, and Collins is the veteran whose been in the league many years and in this system(if Zorn stays) a couple years to bridge the gap til rookie QB X is ready.

We have no plan with this franchise...its not a 7, 5, or even 3 year plan...its barely a 1 year plan. Its whatever move can seemingly plug the hole in the wall of the dam for now. Our franchise has not been built from the ground up...its been pieced together.

agreed

[TheTotalPackage]

Great post. It's not racist to be critical of a black players' performance. I dont care what nationality campbell is. If he was white/asian/indian, etc, we'd all be saying the same things we are saying now. How many on this board feel that kyle orton, derek anderson, eli manning, chad pennington, etc, are mediocre QB's? All those QB's have accomplished more than campbell, they're white, yet they get a fair amount of criticism. It comes with the territory of being an NFL QB. Race has nothing to do with it.

And good stats, Socal. I've posted a few of these on more than one occasion, and it shows how aweful campbell plays versus good teams, and how we seem to have a much better offense when campbell is on the bench. I'm starting to feel less and less that that is a coincidence.

i would say that they have better players surrounding them and were given the opportunity to play through the same system as the previous year.

[AAARedskin]

Here's a real solution: (one that a Jon Gruden would also adopt) have a WIDE OPEN and FAIR QB competition during training camp and the pre-season. Period. Why is it that the job just gets handed over to Campbell? The second half of the season was a DISASTER going 2-6 down the stretch! It's pathetic that Dan Snyder and Zorn allow for politics to enter into the decision.......who cares where a guy was drafted, and what his salary is? Good and great teams end up playing the BEST PLAYERS.....period. The Redskins NEED a QB controversy in the worst way, and Campbell only deserves the first 4 or 5 games to finally prove he's QB that gives the Skins the best chance at winning.....BOOM!!!!

[TheTotalPackage]

It's a MYTH created by the media and the kool-aid drinkers that the QB situation was mishandled in the past 2 months. I seem to be the only fan that remembers the Redskin offense averaging a whopping 10 points per game for most of the second half of last season. How pitiful....the no-name Lions QB/offense was playing better during the same stretch. After mediocre to average results, the words HOPE and POTENTIAL are worthless.

and the first half of the season, JC was an MVP candidate. why is it that JC is the only thing they want to do away with? the offensive line has not been adequately addressed (and i'm going to continue say adequately until i see progress), nobody's said fire zorn because he coudln't modify the playcalling to switch it up and keep the defenses guessing. danny didn't see the need to fire vinny, but folks like socal feel that if they switch out jason campbell, all will be fine?

[The Brave Little Toaster Oven]

if kendal doesn't suddenly want to make it on ESPN and bats the ball down instead of catching and fumbling...or if donnie avery doesn't beat torrence for a bomb, that's a win vs STL.

if sellers doesn't have a brain fart vs the bengals and just runs over the line....or if we just gave the ball to CP vs (who is it..the bengals?) that's a win.

if the defense holds or suisham makes a kick, that's a potential win vs dallas. all season we have plays like that. but when we lose, it's JC's fault? if they go the other way around, he's a playoff team QB. also don't forget the OLine breaking down and the fact that we've switched coordinators every year he's been here until this one.

If "if's" and "buts" were candy and nuts, oh what a Christmas we'd have.

[TheTotalPackage]

While I think it's a waste of your time to argue with SoCal, and I generally think he throws out a lot of biased posts that I rarely agree with, I don't think he dislikes Campbell because he's a racist.

Campbell deserves to be criticized as much as any white QB with the same career to date. The difference between you and me and SoCal is that we've seen something in him to believe he can put it together. It has nothing to do with the race of the QB, it has everything to do with his play.

Campbell hasn't played to expectations so far. He also hasn't been as bad as most of the people on here want to make him out to be, to be sure. Let the race card stay in the deck, and let's just believe in him for next season.

can't say i disagree with this post, other than to point out that socal is the one that brought up the word "racist." there is a big difference between the words racism or racist and racial bias.

i agree that campbell deserves to be criticized as much as other quarterbacks but to those other quarterbacks' credits the other reasons for their apparently poor performances were not overlooked and were in fact, addressed. however the campbell haters are completely convinced that he is the only problem, and that he is a lost cause; which is what i have a beef with. i agree with the last part of your post.

[TheTotalPackage]

Here's a real solution: (one that a Jon Gruden would also adopt) have a WIDE OPEN and FAIR QB competition during training camp and the pre-season. Period. Why is it that the job just gets handed over to Campbell? The second half of the season was a DISASTER going 2-6 down the stretch! It's pathetic that Dan Snyder and Zorn allow for politics to enter into the decision.......who cares where a guy was drafted, and what his salary is? Good and great teams end up playing the BEST PLAYERS.....period. The Redskins NEED a QB controversy in the worst way, and Campbell only deserves the first 4 or 5 games to finally prove he's QB that gives the Skins the best chance at winning.....BOOM!!!!

i would give him the first 8 games at the very least but don't disagree with anything else.

[Hooper]

Give it a rest, Cult of Colt. You know how many guys have shined against scrubs in preseason? You know how many great qbs have looked bad in preseason? It's MEANINGLESS until you do it in a real NFL game.

I like Colt. Would be awesome if he turned into a quality starter someday. And he'll get his chance at some point. Just be patient. Word out of Redskins park is that the coaches like him but still think he has a long way to go.

Todd Collins played brilliantly for us when he was called upon. The offense hadn't looked that good since Brad Johnson was in his first year here. "System qb or not", he has proven so much more than Colt and he deserves a little respect. Hell, he's proven more than JC -- it's why Gregg Willams and Joe Gibbs told Snyder it should have been an open qb competion last year.

Again, Cult will get his chance.

[Gart Monk]

TC deserved to start the season last year. I guess marketing the team with a good looking young black QB is more important.

[SoCalSkins]

can't say i disagree with this post, other than to point out that socal is the one that brought up the word "racist." there is a big difference between the words racism or racist and racial bias.

BS. I called JC a failure you replied by referencing McNabb's comments that black QB's are judged differently. Please provide specific examples of where I criticized JC because of his race, whether they involve racism or racial bias.

You made a serious accusation. I demand proof. I suggest you start looking for it or admit you are completely clueless and have no idea about what you are talking about or enjoy in engaging in libel.

[SoCalSkins]

mcnabb says that black quarterbacks face more scrutiny. who are we to say he's wrong? they are a rarity in this league, so why would it be wrong to say that those that are there receive more media attention? i'll bet you will come here and say BO gets the same amount of attention as any other president before him.

McNabb was not replying to my post. You were. I demand specific examples that support your claim since you specifically replied to my post.

[John451]

promote him to quarterbacks coach

That's an idea but wouldn't have to take a pay cut?

[Hooper]

promote him to quarterbacks coach

Todd Collins won NFL player of the month. Colt Brennan hasn't even faced a second string NFL defense in preseason. A little perspective is in order. Collins shouldn't have to simply step aside for the latest Redskins Nation mancrush.

[Jbank31]

The only hole the Redskins have to fill at this point is to find a franchise quarterback. Anyone that blames the offensive line last year doesn't really know football. That being said, the franchise quarterback can come from four spots. Jason Campbell will get one more chance to prove that he is the guy, only because the front office couldn't make the Cutler or Sanchez moves. I would not expect him to last long as the starter this year for the simple reason that he will probably be on a short leash. The second option is Colt Brennan. He showed flashes of promise in last years preseason, and given this offseason I would expect him to see the field this year. If he lights it up great, if not look to option three. The draft. Look for the Skins to mortgage whatever they have to in order to draft a young stud. If that fails option four. Free agency. Look for the Skins to overpay for the best available quarterback free agent. Now the least expensive way would be if Colt Brennan turned out to be a find. They have him locked up for cheap money for a few years. If Jason Campbell lights it up they will have to pay through the nose to keep him.

[WeThreeKingsRuleU]

campbell only threw six interceptions all year.

if kendal doesn't suddenly want to make it on ESPN and bats the ball down instead of catching and fumbling...or if donnie avery doesn't beat torrence for a bomb, that's a win vs STL.

if sellers doesn't have a brain fart vs the bengals and just runs over the line....or if we just gave the ball to CP vs (who is it..the bengals?) that's a win.

if the defense holds or suisham makes a kick, that's a potential win vs dallas. all season we have plays like that. but when we lose, it's JC's fault? if they go the other way around, he's a playoff team QB. also don't forget the OLine breaking down and the fact that we've switched coordinators every year he's been here until this one.

i say he's at least earned the opportunity to show what he can do when he's got actual players around him and when he's acclimated to the same system the previous system before kicking him to the curb. but nooooooo...he's a failure.

I think it's also important to remember that CP was also the leading rusher in the NFL for those first 8 games last year as well. Thats another testament to good oline play and how well this team can play IF the oline doesn't break down. JC would also have the best run game in the league as a supporting cast as well as solid pass protection and good receivers.

[Best Team Ever]

What about chase, what do we do with him?

Tell him to show up on time to practice squad.

[pocampo]

Tell him to show up on time to practice squad.

Then he better not hang out with Fred Davis LOL

[Best Team Ever]

I'll put any amount of money you want down that NOTHING like this happens.

LOL:hysterical:

[wvtbred]

promote him to quarterbacks coach

No that is saved for Favre

[Morneblade]

The Skins should trade or release JC ... make TC the starter against the Giants ... then bring CB in against the Rams. Some scenario along this line will take place ... bank it.

Then I'm sure it wont happen. :cool2:

[Voice_of_Reason]

If TC doesn't win the backup job, my guess he will be cut. So, all Colt has to do is go and take the guys job.

[mnb123]

If TC doesn't win the backup job, my guess he will be cut. So, all Colt has to do is go and take the guys job.

Then who will be 3rd? Daniels? Don't think so.

No reason not to keep Collins, a veteran backup, for insurance.

[redshirtguy#45]

The only hole the Redskins have to fill at this point is to find a franchise quarterback. Anyone that blames the offensive line last year doesn't really know football. That being said, the franchise quarterback can come from four spots. Jason Campbell will get one more chance to prove that he is the guy, only because the front office couldn't make the Cutler or Sanchez moves. I would not expect him to last long as the starter this year for the simple reason that he will probably be on a short leash. The second option is Colt Brennan. He showed flashes of promise in last years preseason, and given this offseason I would expect him to see the field this year. If he lights it up great, if not look to option three. The draft. Look for the Skins to mortgage whatever they have to in order to draft a young stud. If that fails option four. Free agency. Look for the Skins to overpay for the best available quarterback free agent. Now the least expensive way would be if Colt Brennan turned out to be a find. They have him locked up for cheap money for a few years. If Jason Campbell lights it up they will have to pay through the nose to keep him.

really? so portis must not know football... no way you can get a diff qb and not worry about the oline. 3 of 5 are coming off injury or have had major injuries in the past few years and all are older. if the oline struggles, it wont just be whoever is playing qb that has no fun, portis will likely have some more fun quotes this year too...

[THE HAMMER'IN HOG]

and the first half of the season, JC was an MVP candidate. why is it that JC is the only thing they want to do away with? the offensive line has not been adequately addressed (and i'm going to continue say adequately until i see progress), nobody's said fire zorn because he coudln't modify the playcalling to switch it up and keep the defenses guessing. danny didn't see the need to fire vinny, but folks like socal feel that if they switch out jason campbell, all will be fine?

Why was JC an MVP candidate to begin with? Who actually gave him those accolades? His numbers were not even close to MVP numbers, was it an over zealous NFL media trying to build up hype for a black QB? Or was it the apparent anti black QB NFL media that was trying to wrongfully, or overly criticize him? And why wasn't Zorn being touted for coach of the year after 8 games?

Funny the football critics who apparently hold black QB's to a higher standard, were promoting JC for MVP after 8 games in which he really didn't do a whole lot other than manage the game. That's a pretty fair shake if you ask me.

It's a lot easier to change one player than the whole offense, so to allow another player to take some snaps at QB to see if there is a different result on the field like we all saw and can't stop thinking about when Collins came in and showed everyone that our offense can move the ball, then JC is viewed as the possible problem, and for good reason.

[RocketCitySkins]

Why was JC an MVP candidate to begin with? Who actually gave him those accolades? His numbers were not even close to MVP numbers' date='

Funny the football critics who apparently hold black QB's to a higher standard, were promoting JC for MVP after 8 games in which he really didn't do a whole lot other than manage the game. [/quote']

JC's numbers after 8 games were better than those of a game manager. If I remember correctly, his qbr was in the top 5.

Campbell: 152/230, 66.1%, 1,754 yards, 7.6 YPA, 8 TD, 0 INT, 100.5 Rating