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terpskins10

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The magic Number is 28 points. If the redskins can average that you can count on a 14-2 season.

You do realize only one team averaged that many points per game last year, right?

I'd be satisfied with 24 ppg, which, going by last year, would put us close to the top 10.

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Skins_Win_Again

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logically, we would probly have at least 10 drives a game. If we could get a touchdown on 4/10 then were golden. Dosn't sound to difficult but it depends on a lot of different variables. Our oline dosnt have to worry toomuch in the middle. What a lot of people don't understand, is that to be a guard or center, you just need a big strong man it dosn't require as much skill. There's plenty around. However for OT, you need a big strong man, but footwork and proper handwork is a mjaor part of being and OT. As for Zorns offense, i think well get some better plays and have more deep balls. i think well got 10-6 or 11-5

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Ghost of

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As for Zorns offense, i think well get some better plays and have more deep balls.

JC can deliver the deep ball, but they also need the receivers to catch it.

He can only deliver it because he has the arm strength but he throws the truly deep ball like Ramsey was doing under Spurrier---not enough touch and accuracy. By which I mean, almost none at all.

i'm puzzled by your post there because the drops have not occurred on deep passes. And what drops have occurred have not been high compared to other offenses and good receiver drop numbers.

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He can only deliver it because he has the arm strength but he throws the truly deep ball like Ramsey was doing under Spurrier---not enough touch and accuracy. By which I mean, almost none at all.

i'm puzzled by your post there because the drops have not occurred on deep passes. And what drops have occurred have not been high compared to other offenses and good receiver drop numbers.

I'll agree that JC's "touch" on the deep ball is non-existent. That has to change. If it doesn't, he's going to be looking for work.

You're also right that the drops haven't occurred on deep balls. Hell, there weren't many deep balls thrown TO drop.

But there were drops, and I think what frustrated me is that they ALWAYS seemed to be on 3rd down. Now, could that be perception and frustration? Sure. But I can vividly remember several 3rd downs and the balls hit WRs right between the numbers, and they dropped them.

The beef I have with JC is his accuracy, always has been. And generally QBs don't get more accurate. Either you have it, or you don't. So when he throws an accurate pass, the WRs HAVE to catch it.

One bit of good news for JC is that on the 10 second clip of mini-camp, he hit the hole in the net that he was aiming for. Which, in a similar clip run OVER AND OVER last year, he missed. But eh, who knows? Only time will tell.

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Ok, here we agree.

The drops we have on third down, often for no reason are unforgivable. I can live with drops but ARE has had some real head-scratchers. Tana, too.

But how do you address what are still fairly uncommon drops? Make up for it in offensive production and 'big plays' throughout the course of any game.

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HA1LV1CT0RY

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I think it's all going to rest on the O-line. I see us developing several offensive threats (Thomas, and a surprise guy or 2) and I think Zorn has learned his lesson and will have some tricks up his sleeve. If we plug the trenches, we win it all.

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It actually shouldn't be that hard either. There are just three ifs

A) Can the oline hold up

Fat chance. It's not like they're a great line even completely healthy. Maybe 4 years ago. Lets face it, the line will be bad.

B) Can we develop a second threat

I haven't seen anything to indicate the possiblity of a legitimate 2nd (or 1st) receiving option emerging. I guess it's possible but I wouldn't say the chances are great.

C) Can Zorn/Campbell up their game on game day

I'm more confident in Campbell stepping up his game than Zorn. I don't see it in Zorn. He seems like a good motivator but offensive mastermind? Nothing in his offense is groundbreaking or innovative. Maybe not as predictable as Gibbs but he's not doing anything to put us over the top. Lotta runs up the middle and short passes. Yay.

And there's one other point nobody is mentioning about the offense but should be, which is the RB's. Portis has reached the point where age and wear and tear will inevitably make his production start to decline. We saw it start in the second half of last season and it will continue. He can't break the long one anymore, and he's going to start looking more and more like a recent Edgerrin James or Jamal Lewis, with a whole lotta 2-3 yard runs. He's already there. Betts is like 30 too with less wear and tear, but a fumbling problem and no special skills. Mason is what he is, a practice squad player.

By next season it's possible this entire offense will need replacements at every single position, save for TE. I've just got a bad feeling that we're gonna be a bad offense....a really bad offense.

No chance we average 6 more points per game in my opinion.

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da#1skinsfan

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What changes have been made this offseason on the offensive side of the ball that makes you believe that a jump is possible?

- All 3 2nd round talents having another year under their belt, will be hopefully healthy and ready to contribute.

- JC being in the same offense for 2 years in a row for the first time...ever.

- Zorn with another year under his belt and a better first hand understanding of 3 opponents who we play 6 games a year against

- The realization that we need a change of pace back along with Portis

- Some of the younger guys on the OL with a chance to step up

- Dockery back

Answering your question directly, this includes nothing about the defense that now has some serious playmaking ability (on paper, nothing is proven) to actually create turnovers and give our offense more chances to score.

Is it the broken down OL getting a year older?

- As for the OL, yes the starters are another year older. But with the addition of Dockery, along with the continued development of Rinehart and Heyer, we really are not in *THAT* bad shape. Nevermind any other promising undrafted FA's - look at what Heyer contributed when he was an UDFA. Are we thin at OL? Yes. Are we as thin as the media and everyone likes to think? No, the sky is not falling.

The skill position players with another year of wear and tear?

Cooley, Portis and Moss are all in their prime. This doesnt bother me. If Im the Eagles, yeah, this is relevant, as Westbrook is the definition of wear & tear affecting a fragile guy.

Campbell performing because Danny has no faith in him?

Because we aallllllllll know Danny is the best evaluator of football talent in the league, right?

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Voice_of_Reason

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Ok, here we agree.

The drops we have on third down, often for no reason are unforgivable. I can live with drops but ARE has had some real head-scratchers. Tana, too.

But how do you address what are still fairly uncommon drops? Make up for it in offensive production and 'big plays' throughout the course of any game.

The problem is that JC has accuracy issues, AND the WRs had buttery hands, all at the same time.

There are three things that need to happen for a completion: The QB has to identify the right reciever, then the QB needs to throw the ball accurately, and finally the WR needs to catch the ball.

So many times last season at least 1 of those three pieces didn't happen.

As for making up for it with big plays, completely agree. But then we get into a more complex discussion of the entire offense as a whole.

All I can tell you is that in every home game I went to from Pittsburgh to the end of the season, they weren't even CALLING deep plays. Almost everything was within 7 yards of the LOS. No QB can throw a deep ball if all of the receivers run 7 yards and turn around to look at him.

In the first half of the season, they at least attempted some things down field. They just didn't do that in the second half of the season.

Why is a ?. I think that Zorn completely lost faith in the entire offense to execute anything deep. The WRs to get open, the QB to hit them, and the OL to block. So he retreated to what he knows: quick drops and get the ball out. And then never adjusted. And it was just a catastrophe.

So what has to happen this year is that everything across the board has to improve: Blocking has to be better. WR's have to get separation. Zorn needs to trust his players, and stretch the field horizontally and vertically, and the QB needs to make the right reads and then hit what he's throwing at.

If all of those things happen, the 'Skins will win 14 games. If they don't, they'll be 8-8. It's really that simple.

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DGREENHULK

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It actually shouldn't be that hard either. There are just three ifs

A) Can the oline hold up

B) Can we develop a second threat

C) Can Zorn/Campbell up their game on game day

I'm most worried about the o line and Zorn. He needs to regain his swagger and develop the ability to adjust to their adjustments.

Agreed. The Oline will either carry this team or help them fold in 09.

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The magic Number is 28 points. If the redskins can average that you can count on a 14-2 season.

I hate to burst your bubble' date=' but even in today's NFL where QB's and Receivers can barely be touched, only one team averaged more than 28 ppg. That team was New Orleans, and they finished 8-8 last season, just like us.

True, our defense is much better than theirs, but 28 ppg is a lot to ask of any team. I believe the magic number is historically supposed to be 21 ppg, though that only get you the 23rd ranked offense in today's NFL. 23-24 PPG gets you right in the middle. Let's just hope the team scores an extra TD here and there, combined with what should be a very good defense. That should be enough to keep us in contention through the final weeks.

[url']http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/statistics?stat=team&sort=ppg&pos=off&league=nfl&season=2&year=2008[/url]

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I think if our team improves on D with our new additions then we will accomplish this. I think a with some 3-and-outs on D will lead to some shorter fields for the offense and more possessions. A turnover or two a game will help a great deal as well.

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