rk3025 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 A lot of kids never heard of Chris Hanburger and was not a promoter like Huff and Irvin. I don't follow you.There are a number of Redkins fans who seem to be against Chris Hanburger making it to the HOF. I don't understand this. "Hanburger" was a household word in the 70s. What would you have us do as fans - sit on our hands? Instead of dissing Chris Hanburburger in general, why don't you come up with specific reasons why his career was so inconsequential compared to HOF enshrinee or candidate X and Y and Z? It's unbelievable to me that I have to type this post on this site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TLusby Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 How does a linebacker with "horrible tackling skills" make the pro bowl nine friggin' times? I don't understand how you can say that a LB from Atlanta with half as many pro bowls should be counted ahead of Chris Hanburger. I'd love to hear your detailed argument putting Nobis ahead of Hanburger. I did not realize that the HOF was based on Pro Bowl appearances which means that the HOF has become a popularity contest. Hanburger (who I loved as a kid) tackled very high and was dragged for yardage. Tommy Nobis (I am not an Atlanta fan) was a great physical speciman who is not in the HOF because Atlanta did not have any kind of market or national publicity. Take the Pro Bowl (popularity contest) out of the equation and see who has the better stats and watch film. I am sure that Nobis with 300 tackles in one year will impress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman69 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Who cares if a Hanburger campaign "undermines" the one for Monk. He is in now, I am sure it won't offend Art if a Hanburger campaign or any other Redskin campaign starts up. Also, Pro Bowls back in the day, were not the same "popularity" contest they are nowadays. Did fans vote then? And if so, did it have the same weight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark The Homer Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I did not realize that the HOF was based on Pro Bowl appearances which means that the HOF has become a popularity contest. Hanburger (who I loved as a kid) tackled very high and was dragged for yardage. Tommy Nobis (I am not an Atlanta fan) was a great physical speciman who is not in the HOF because Atlanta did not have any kind of market or national publicity. Take the Pro Bowl (popularity contest) out of the equation and see who has the better stats and watch film. I am sure that Nobis with 300 tackles in one year will impress.I did not realize that the HOF was based on # tackles in one year. 300 tackles is impressive, but it doesn't trump Hanburger's career. Using your argument, how come Sonny Jurgensen only had five pro bowls? Is it because he was only half as popular as Chris Hanburger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motorhead Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I did not realize that the HOF was based on Pro Bowl appearances which means that the HOF has become a popularity contest. Hanburger (who I loved as a kid) tackled very high and was dragged for yardage. Tommy Nobis (I am not an Atlanta fan) was a great physical speciman who is not in the HOF because Atlanta did not have any kind of market or national publicity. Take the Pro Bowl (popularity contest) out of the equation and see who has the better stats and watch film. I am sure that Nobis with 300 tackles in one year will impress. Not to bust your chops however,................... So,do you think that all the"stupid voters":chair: go back back and watch every play made every player? All I know is I watched CH and he was one of the best! BTW you from GA.My son went to UGA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailSkinz1 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I think that's the problem. You would wrestle with it. I wouldn't. I might if somebody could show me a list of players - from any team - who are more deserving. In fact, show me ONE guy who is more deserving. Anybody...? I'll jump in on this one. But first, no one loved Hanburger more than me as a kid. I had two jerseys: #42 and #55. And the day I got Charley Taylor's autograph at the McDonald's on Lee Hwy in Arlington, I wore my #55 jersey. But, I think the bigger travesty is Dave Butz. Butz anchored the defense for 3 Super Bowl teams. He allowed Dexter to be Dexter; gave Olkiewicz a job, and plugged the middle like no one else. He doesn't have the stats and the Pro Bowls, but no one was better than he at what he did during the time he did it. Hail, H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCMONEY Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I know other fans will say that we're being biased but Hanburger should've been in the HOF. Another classic case of Skins players getting disrespected. It happens when it comes to post season ans post career accolades. Shawn Springs played on the 3rd ranked defense and had what 5 ints and 6 sacks yet didn't make the pro bowl. Monk havng to wait numerous times to get in the HOF was a joke. Look how the Patriots a couple years back go undefeated in the regular season but the Cowbums set an NFL record for 1 team sending players to the pro bowl. Pure hype. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveDaSkins172645 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 After looking at his stats he seems worthy. I never knew he had the career stats he did. Based on his draft position versus the amount of pro bowls is shocking I stand corrected he does deserve to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark The Homer Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 For me, the evidence that Chris Hanburger deserves the HOF is mostly in the number of pro bowls. I don't agree that the probowl in the 60s and 70s was a popularity contest, and besides I don't remember #55 as being particularly flashy in personality. Nine pro bowls implies being one of the very best at his position during those years. It also implies consistency. While it might be difficult to compare stats between a linebacker and a lineman, it's not difficult to appreciate a whopping nine pro bowls for a single player at whatever his position. Not to take anything away from Butz, or any of the Hogs, but to put Butz in ahead of Hanburger would effectively throw Hanburger under a bus. So to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkskin Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I was gonna say...that would be a long holding of the breath!!Art was my man of course but Gary has some damn good numbers. just not as many rings as some.. He's got two rings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clarkskin Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Who cares if a Hanburger campaign "undermines" the one for Monk. He is in now, I am sure it won't offend Art if a Hanburger campaign or any other Redskin campaign starts up.Also, Pro Bowls back in the day, were not the same "popularity" contest they are nowadays. Did fans vote then? And if so, did it have the same weight? The Pro Bowl used to be an actual honor because it was decided by players and coaches, not fans. Now its just a huge joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz1522 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Ive been asking this same question now for more than a little while.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsuggs Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I'm surprised the Holes in Chapel Hill haven't raised a banner in the Nose Dome yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skin'Em84 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 It could just be from a long day of work, but are any of the hogs in the hall of fame? The offensive version of the Steel Curtain, and no inductions? Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandman69 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 The Pro Bowl used to be an actual honor because it was decided by players and coaches, not fans. Now its just a huge joke. Thanks, I was pretty sure fans didn't vote back in the day. But didn't want to mispeak on the subject. So, he had 9 pro bowls when they actually mattered. Even more reason to be in the HOF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veteranskinsfan Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 SnyderMustGo- Fans of all teams will push for their best players to get HOF consideration. I am glad that Monk and Green got in. I believe that compared to other teams like the Cowboys and Giants we do not have enough Skins in the HOF. If fans do not get involved then we risk the fact that for several years we might not get another Skins player in the HOF. Look how long it took for Monk and Green. The stats support Hanburger getting admitted into the HOF. So we can make a good reasonable case for his admittance without hurting other Skins chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veteranskinsfan Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 How does a linebacker with "horrible tackling skills" make the pro bowl nine friggin' times? I don't understand how you can say that a LB from Atlanta with half as many pro bowls should be counted ahead of Chris Hanburger. I'd love to hear your detailed argument putting Nobis ahead of Hanburger. Well said Mark. I am sure Nobis does not have stats like Hanburger; plus this is a Skins web site and message board for Pete's sake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy10 Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 I agree that Chris Hanberger should be in the Hall of Fame. I think Pat Fischer and Jerry Smith should be in there, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo Posted May 4, 2009 Share Posted May 4, 2009 Let's go a step further and compare Chris Hanburger to former Niners LB and HOF Class of 2000 inductee Dave Wilcox. Wilcox was nicknamed “The Intimidator” for his aggressive style of play. He was particularly effective at keeping tight ends from getting off line and prided himself on not allowing opponents to block him. Durable, Wilcox missed only one game during his career due to injury. Five times he was named All-NFL (1967,1970, 1971, 1972, 1973) and three times All-NFC (1971, 1972, 1973). He was also selected to play in seven Pro Bowls. Hanburger, who Don Meredith himself said he always had to account for, was a Four-time First-team All-Pro in 1972, 1973, 1975 and 1976 and a Second-team All-Pro in 1969 and 1974. Additionally, he was either a Pro Bowler or an All-Conference selection every year from 1966 though 1976 with the exception of 1971—receiving post-season honors in 10 of 11 seasons in that span. In 1977 he was injured and returned late in the year to record a 3-sack game against the Los Angeles Rams in the season finale. In his career he picked off 19 passes, recovered 17 fumbles, recorded 46 sacks and scored 5 TD's. If Wilcox can get the nod from the Veterans Committee, certainly old #55 can do as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky21 Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 A lot of people say that Chris Hanburger is the next Redskin that is most overdue for a spot in the Hall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailSkinz1 Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 Not to take anything away from Butz, or any of the Hogs, but to put Butz in ahead of Hanburger would effectively throw Hanburger under a bus. So to speak. It wouldn't be disrespectful to Hanburger to put Butz in first; just a long overdue recognition of Butz's contributions to the game. But, I would love to see them both get in at the same time, how's that?! My only problem with your argument, and far be it for me to argue against Hanburger, is the number of Pro Bowls. I think they are a joke and should not be used to qualify or disqualify anyone from the Hall of Fame. Lack of Pro Bowls was used against Monk for a while. To me, Hanburger's problem in the eyes of the voters is the fact that he played on some extremely bad defenses in the 60s and he played in an era of some very good LBs who are immortalized today in the Hall (Butkus, Bell, Hendricks, Huff, Nitschke, Ham, Lambert, - I know I'm leaving some off) and have gained iconic stature because of their physical play. Hanburger was great, but he wasn't the most physical linebacker out there. But again, I'm not trying to argue against his inclusion. If he gets in one day, I'll be thrilled and it will have been justified. I just don't think Pro Bowls should be a qualifier. Hail, H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redshirtguy#45 Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 he needs to be in at some point. so do at least jacoby and grimm. while im giving out hall passes, clark too. ch has more 1st team all pro selections than any other skin (tied with HOF sammy), more pro bowl selections... its worth saying whats already been said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HailSkinz1 Posted May 5, 2009 Share Posted May 5, 2009 If Wilcox can get the nod from the Veterans Committee, certainly old #55 can do as well. Good comparison JimmiJo (Edit: Jimbo of course, I had JimmiJo on my mind from reading the Camp updates)! Based on statistics alone and team success, Hanburger would get the edge there I believe. But again, style of play might be a determining factor for some voters. Hail, H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHERRYR Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 I was goin' nuts about this last season during HOF week. Truth is there are several players that should be there who aren't. When Tippett got in I said okay, dominant LB during his time no question... 5x Pro Bowl, 2x All-Pro 1st Team, 11 yr. career with 1 INT, zero TDs, age 49. Then you look at Hanburger, 9x Pro Bowl, 4x All-Pro 1st Team, 14 yr. career with 19 INT, 5 TDs, age 67... something is wrong with that picture. Got nothing against Tippett making it into the HOF... it's the voters. BTW, Tippett had 100 sacks in his career. The NFL never started tracking sack stats until '82, the year Tippett was drafted by the Patriots and 4 yrs. after Christian Hanburger retired. :logo: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCMONEY Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 I gurantee if the Cowbums had a 9 time pro bowler he'd be in the HOF his 1st year of eligibilty. As I've stated earlier in this post Skins players get robbed when it comes to post season and post career accolades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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