Why Can't Campbell be the backup?

[NewCliche21]

3 men are standing at the door to the kingdom, you've got your average man(JC) who gets things done. Nothing special, but rarely makes errors. An old fart(TC), although smart, has diminishing skill and will probably die in the next couple of days. And a young kid(CB5), although charasmatic and exciting, doesn't have what it takes to take on that kind of role just yet.

Who are you gonna give those keys to?

HINT:

It isn't that hard of a decision.

:notworthy:

[pocampo]

3 men are standing at the door to the kingdom, you've got your average man(JC) who gets things done. Nothing special, but rarely makes errors. An old fart(TC), although smart, has diminishing skill and will probably die in the next couple of days. And a young kid(CB5), although charasmatic and exciting, doesn't have what it takes to take on that kind of role just yet.

Who are you gonna give those keys to?

HINT:

It isn't that hard of a decision.

Man your taking this to a higher level!!

So tell me. What things has the average man done!!!! I'm not trying to start any crap just for clarifacation!!!

[CRobi21]

Man your taking this to a higher level!!

So tell me. What things has the average man done!!!! I'm not trying to start any crap just for clarifacation!!!

He hasn't done much of anything, like I said, he's just an average dude.

He can make swords that will kill the dragon, but will never kill the dragon himself.

And he has juicy lips.

[pocampo]

JC should be the back-up...however, his skill level is better than Collins or CB5.

We need a true signal caller with vet exp.

CB5 might pan out one day...either start him and struggle for 2 years, or go for a vet out there and drop JC and Collins. (CAP penalties notwithstanding)

I'm already hearing the Tim Tebow rumors....<sigh>

Jake Locker is good to!!!

[pocampo]

He hasn't done much of anything, like I said, he's just an average dude.

He can make swords that will kill the dragon, but will never kill the dragon himself.

And he has juicy lips.

[MumboSauce]

The JC apologist are just as bad as the Colt Cult. All hopped up on something I don't quite understand. Try this on for size... you have zero say in who will be the QB of the Washington Redskins this season, or any other season for that matter. Some truly skewed minds on here...believe what you want, and see what you want. Calm down, It's April.

STBoneCrusher21, don't bother trying to "reason" with the unreasonable.

[onnie007]

ooooh, ooooh, i know why...

Because jason campbell is our best qb.

Close thread.

qft

[NewCliche21]

The JC apologist are just as bad as the Colt Cult. All hopped up on something I don't quite understand. Try this on for size... you have zero say in who will be the QB of the Washington Redskins this season, or any other season for that matter. Some truly skewed minds on here...believe what you want, and see what you want. Calm down, It's April.

STBoneCrusher21, don't bother trying to "reason" with the unreasonable.

The biggest problem is that people have to be labeled one or the other. Both sides have good points. I *DO* want to see Campbell at the helm but only because he's the starting quarterback right now, he's in his final year, and I'd like to see what he can do. The other two options aren't real options. If Campbell fails, then he fails, and that sucks, but maybe we can go out and Zorn can pick HIS guy. Campbell's not bad, at all. Colt, we don't know, and then if he fails, as he likely will after still effectively being a rookie and playing against even our practice squad, we give him a shot later.

Honestly, it's just putting the team in the position to win. Campbell can do that, and if he can't, then thanks for being a class act, but you're not the guy for us. It really not personal towards any members of the board.

[pocampo]

3 men are standing at the door to the kingdom, you've got your average man(JC) who gets things done. Nothing special, but rarely makes errors. An old fart(TC), although smart, has diminishing skill and will probably die in the next couple of days. And a young kid(CB5), although charasmatic and exciting, doesn't have what it takes to take on that kind of role just yet.

Ya but you forgot to mention the young one has KUNG FOO and it is strong!!!!

[SoCalSkins]

I never compared JC to CP.

You did.

And I find it funny when someone who's well known for making dumb posts all the time talking about losing credibility.

Please quote where I mentioned CP before you did in my response to your post?

Being correct regarding a topic before it is generally accepted is the opposite of dumb. Failing to recognize it until after most others have isn't.

[mnb123]

An old fart(TC), although smart, has diminishing skill and will probably die in the next couple of days.

Well thats just morbid

[SoCalSkins]

I forgot that 8-8 constitutes as a loser in the NFL...wait...it doesnt.

15-20 is his Redskins record.

During the span he has been on the team the Skins are 17-12 (incuding the 2007 Bears game) when he doesn't play the majority of the game.

He is also 5-10 against teams finishing above .500, the Redskins are 9-8 in those games when he isn't starting.

He has a losing record as a QB, but more importantly, loses more games than other QBs since he's been here. When a player makes a team worse, that is the epitome of a loser.

[gortiz]

But make Brennan the starter

lord...why? why lord? why?

[gortiz]

15-20 is his Redskins record.

During the span he has been on the team the Skins are 17-12 (incuding the 2007 Bears game) when he doesn't play the majority of the game.

He is also 5-10 against teams finishing above .500, the Redskins are 9-8 in those games when he isn't starting.

He has a losing record as a QB, but more importantly, loses more games than other QBs since he's been here. When a player makes a team worse, that is the epitome of a loser.

so cutler is not much better correct?

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

So Jason has earned nothing, but Colt has earned EVERYTHING by performing well in a couple of preseason games?

Hmm.

jason has earned nothing. a losing record and poor statistics do not warrant him starting anymore games. in your opinion, what has jason done to earn the starting job? if its merely "being better than guys who have never played" thats pathetic. its like in baseball, do you wanna start the pitcher who is a proven loser, or the kid who has never played? well with one, you know what the outcome is. with the other, its a risk, but at some point you gotta know what youre working with.

and colt is right on track to where he should be. he will most likely take the 2nd string position from collins this season, and then hes right in there.

somebody posted something earlier, it was scott pioli talking about last years drafted guys in the late rounds, and he said something to the effect that brennan could be the perfect guy to run zorns offense. and im assuming pioli with his track record is a guy whos opinion should be taken into consideration.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

so cutler is not much better correct?

just looking at records is bad for QBs because a defense has to be held accountable. judging records, drew brees is a bad QB. nobody (with a brain) would claim that. same with cutler. his defense, like the saints, was a joke. and both cutler and brees put up stellar TD and yardage for a QB, top 10 in the league.

now look at campbell, who has a losing record and is in the bottom half for a good chunk of QB stats. if you put campbell on the saints or broncos, that team would have been drafting matt stafford last saturday.

[zCommander]

+1

they will never understand though. logic escapes them.

marcus mason, anthony mix, billy mcmullen, the list goes on.

Yeah you are right the logic does escape you as well... cooley, moss, are, betts...

[Vicious]

just looking at records is bad for QBs because a defense has to be held accountable. judging records, drew brees is a bad QB. nobody (with a brain) would claim that. same with cutler. his defense, like the saints, was a joke. and both cutler and brees put up stellar TD and yardage for a QB, top 10 in the league.

You ever figure the reason they have to chuck the ball around like that is BECAUSE their defense sucks? If their defense did not suck they would not have that type of yardage. Just stating FACT.

Don't put Jay Cutler and Drew Brees in the same sentence, it muddles your point.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

You ever figure the reason they have to chuck the ball around like that is BECAUSE their defense sucks? If their defense did not suck they would not have that type of yardage. Just stating FACT.

Don't put Jay Cutler and Drew Brees in the same sentence, it muddles your point.

do the patriots heave it around cause their defense sucks?

how about the eagles?

the colts?

they run something called a "pass first offense". we attempted to run one, but then our coach remember who was behind center. and we couldnt.

dont try and spin that the only reason brees and cutler throw a lot is because their defense is so bad. campbell was top 10 in attempts, and our D was ranked 4th, so your argument in pure garbage.

[clarkskin]

This thread would be laughable if it weren't so sad. This is almost as lame as the post from yesterday suggesting that Fred Davis was better than Cooley.

[KCJDLJ]

I don't think the JC haters have the capacity to put themselves in the position he has been in since becoming a Redskin. How productive would you be in your job if the policies and procedures of your job changed constantly? What if several of the guys you worked with everyday were out on sick leave and the temps that were brought in couldn't do their jobs properly? Oh yeah. The new manager decided that you had to learn how to read and speak a new language. Production has gone down and you are being blamed for the eminent failure of the company. A lot of people are going to lose their jobs and many are saying it's your fault. Maybe someone who knew the new language could step in and do a better job but you feel that you should be given a chance to perform after learning with a full staff of permanent employees. If you have most of what you need to do your job and still don't perform then you should be fired and a new guy should be given your laptop and blackberry. All I'm saying is give the guy a second season in this offense with better field position (from the improved defense), a healthy and improved offensive line (Dockery and one or more of the young guys stepping up) and more than one wide receiver (improved Thomas and a healthy Kelly) to throw to. I would be the first to say "bring in someone else" if under these conditions Campbell dosen't get the team to the playoffs this year. Once again I've got to say that Brennen is not the answer. If Jason can't get it done this year then the team has to find someone with talent who can lead Shannahan or Cowher's team because Zorn will be playing volleyball on the beach with Jason Campbell. I just think that Jason deserves this season to prove what he can do. I think he will be successful.

[pocampo]

I don't think the JC haters have the capacity to put themselves in the position he has been in since becoming a Redskin. How productive would you be in your job if the policies and procedures of your job changed constantly? What if several of the guys you worked with everyday were out on sick leave and the temps that were brought in couldn't do their jobs properly? Oh yeah. The new manager decided that you had to learn how to read and speak a new language. Production has gone down and you are being blamed for the eminent failure of the company. A lot of people are going to lose their jobs and many are saying it's your fault. Maybe someone who knew the new language could step in and do a better job but you feel that you should be given a chance to perform after learning with a full staff of permanent employees. If you have most of what you need to do your job and still don't perform then you should be fired and a new guy should be given your laptop and blackberry. All I'm saying is give the guy a second season in this offense with better field position (from the improved defense), a healthy and improved offensive line (Dockery and one or more of the young guys stepping up) and more than one wide receiver (improved Thomas and a healthy Kelly) to throw to. I would be the first to say "bring in someone else" if under these conditions Campbell dosen't get the team to the playoffs this year. Once again I've got to say that Brennen is not the answer. If Jason can't get it done this year then the team has to find someone with talent who can lead Shannahan or Cowher's team because Zorn will be playing volleyball on the beach with Jason Campbell. I just think that Jason deserves this season to prove what he can do. I think he will be successful.

So everybody gets thrown under the BUS. Nice. EXCEPT JC Whatever!!!!!!

[Annonymous Source]

15-20 is his Redskins record.

During the span he has been on the team the Skins are 17-12 (incuding the 2007 Bears game) when he doesn't play the majority of the game.

He is also 5-10 against teams finishing above .500, the Redskins are 9-8 in those games when he isn't starting.

He has a losing record as a QB, but more importantly, loses more games than other QBs since he's been here. When a player makes a team worse, that is the epitome of a loser.

Comparing the records of a team with a player in the lineup and a player out of the lineup are two completely different things.

When Todd Collins made that amazing run for the redskins a couple years ago it was largely due to the rest of the team getting healthy at the right time of year, and his great understanding of the offensive system.

Except for that streak of 6 games the Redskins have been a .500 team over the past 5 years, albeit one that can go on hot and cold streaks when motivated and healthy.

The real question is why nobody is saying we should start Todd Collins. He has the best NFL record of all our QB's, has proven he can play at this level, and make good throws. If anyone can compete with Jason it would be him.

[Ghost of]

qft

Except in the one opportunity we had for a side-by-side experiment in-season, Todd Collins was vastly superior.

So, for all I know, after one season to get the WCO under his belt (and TC is regarded as very intelligent) he might be the best again.

I sincerely hope this team does not sacrifice another year to campbell if he isn't getting it done. TC or Colt should be in there. if Kerry Collins can live off the Titans D, with the QB-hunting Sentinal Master OrakMold and Fat Albert on our D with a superior secondary, we should be able to give Todd enough support to see what he can do (if Colt isnt' ready.)

It would suck to miss out on ANOTHER Sb opportunity by sticking with the wrong guy for too long.

[KCJDLJ]

do the patriots heave it around cause their defense sucks?

how about the eagles?

the colts?

they run something called a "pass first offense". we attempted to run one, but then our coach remember who was behind center. and we couldnt.

dont try and spin that the only reason brees and cutler throw a lot is because their defense is so bad. campbell was top 10 in attempts, and our D was ranked 4th, so your argument in pure garbage.

Brees and Cutler were in two totally different situations. Brees is a superior QB who is in a pass first offense. Cutler was in an offense that desperately wanted to run the ball and couldn't. The Broncos would be trailing and Cutler wasn't able to stage a comeback. Many of their late season loses we due to his ability to accuratly complete passes to DB's and Safeties. I'm very happy the F.O. wiffed on Cutler but I'd take Brees in a nano second.