modazfuk Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 If you go back and watch it really close, the defender beats the ball to the spot, and ends up being too early and the ball zings behind his ear into triple coverage. If that's Bob Sanders, he's picking it off. That's what I'm saying. I just watched it again, several times, and what I saw was the the ball sailing over the reach of the defender and landing into the hands of a leaping Goode. How tall is Bob Sanders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Colt woud also have Santana, Cooley, ARE and Portis as weapons when Bob Sanders is playing. He wouldn't need to throw into triple coverage. Huh? If they ran the same play and the Colts were running the same defense it would be the same thing, but with starters. Guys would be in the same place. The main difference would be that the guys who are in those places would actually be good players and that ball would likely be intercepted. It doesn't matter if it is ARE or some scrub. Neither one is going to stop the fact that the safety on the play read that pass easily and a better safety would read it, AND be able to intercept the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RIDETHEWALRUS Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 It has been very easy for Brennan to "overacheive" because he has never played against anybody of not. I can windmill dunk on an 8 foot rim, but you won't see me in the NBA allstar dunk competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistertim Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I just watched it again, several times, and what I saw was the the ball sailing over the reach of the defender and landing into the hands of a leaping Goode. How tall is Bob Sanders? It looks to me more like it went right through his hands. He didn't really jump that far up. He was watching it the whole way. He knew where it was going but didn't have the talent to actually make a play on it. He just sort of flailed his arms in the air around the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZoEd Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Brennan is a play-maker, so with that obviously comes risk. If Snyder and Zorn are afraid of taking risks, then a conservative minded QB is the man for the job. Snyder wants a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, period. Too bad there's only one each of them. The sooner he realizes that you can't simply "plug and play" big name players the better off this team will do. The sooner or later he realizes you build your team around the strength and talent of the players instead of trying to force your players into a scheme they don't fit in. Square peg-round hole. Look what Gibbs did to CP, first thing he wanted him to do was bulk up so he could be more of a "power" runner. He's done well at this style of running but now everyone on ES biatches that he can't break the long one. How about we get him in space with the ball instead of constantly running he between the tackles? I think there's an equal amount of blame to go around between the coaches, players and FO without constantly picking the flavor of the week player and ganging up on him. I think you couple the downward spiral of the O-line with Zorn's inability to change up his game plan and you have a recipe for disaster. Now, multiply that by the square root of Vanny and their stupidity and you have a team that just can't make it over the hump. Way too much went wrong the second half of the season to blame it all on JC. Didn't the WR's and Cooley have a bad case of the dropsies also? Wait a minute, I think this is a good point; maybe I should start another Campbell thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightbird Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Seriously do you Campbell coddlers realize how FED UP slot of us are with your excuses and whining about what Jason deserves when he's done NOTHING to warrant him being the starting qb let alone # 2? I mean how many irrational excuses are you going to come up with just so the prepetual 27 year old 5 year rookie qb can stink it up YET another YEAR and blame everyone and everything from the sun ,to the football, for the reason he is NOT successful. And when another qb with the skills for the WCOcomes in and suddenly the old,broke down o line doesn't look quite so bad and those midget receivers can suddenly catch and get seperation...Then what????? Why did you accuse me of being a "Campbell coddler"? I said absolutely nothing about him other than a pretty basic observation that he's the best QB on our roster as judged by a man well-qualified to say so in Jim Zorn. I never made any excuses for anyone, I simply asked a question about the blowback from "cult of colt" hysteria. Instead of addressing my point, you confirmed my view by launching an unfounded attack on me. But you obviously are a football expert, so I guess I should just be thankful you chose to respond to a mere fan such as I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modazfuk Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 It looks to me more like it went right through his hands. He didn't really jump that far up. He was watching it the whole way. He knew where it was going but didn't have the talent to actually make a play on it. He just sort of flailed his arms in the air around the ball. Well, given how the YouTube clip isn't of greatest of quality, I wouldn't bet my life on it, but based on what I think I saw, about five times, it looked like the ball went over the hands of the defender. I'll try later to find a better quality clip since I'm now very interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana_89 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 My problem isn't the criticism of Campbell. Hell, I thought he should have got the hook after the Bengals game. No, the problem is the Cult of Colt acting like Brennan is the next Tom Brady. Maybe he is. That would be awesome. Clearly the coaching staff doesn't think so however. For one thing, they let it be known Collins would be the starter had they traded for Sanchez. Which would have made sense. After all, the best the Redskins offense has looked in ages was when he was under center, product of the system or not. Now you're grouping a whole segment of fans who happen to BELIEVE in a player with ones who say he could be the next BRady. I HAVE NEVER said Colt wa sthe next anybody. Colt Brennan is Colt Brennan.That's the guy I watched at Hawaii and rooted for. That's what I expect to see in the NFL. Not Tom Brady,Drew Brees or anyone else.So let's NOT sterotype every Colt supporter as believing/saying what a few do. Maybe some Colt fans didn't know Colt had just come off hip surgery? Honestly even if he were ready why take a chance of the guy getting hurt.Especially if you believe he can become what you envision for the future success of your team. Anyway many of us were satisfied to see him learning the NFL and the playbook. As was Colt who recently said so in his interview with Larry Micheal on Redskins Nation. He said that it was good for him, to sit and learn the playbook and become comfortable with his new surroundings. I agree the offense since Brunell in 2005 hadn't looked so good 'til Todd Collins came in late Nov 2007. I have no qualms if Collins were to be starter. He actually earned that by his play and leadership.When it looked hopeless. No matter who the starting qb is, I BELIEVE in Colt Brennan and what I've seen him do when counted out and faced with adversity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Now you're grouping a whole segment of fans who happen to BELIEVE in a player with ones who say he could be the next BRady. I HAVE NEVER said Colt wa sthe next anybody. Colt Brennan is Colt Brennan.That's the guy I watched at Hawaii and rooted for. That's what I expect to see in the NFL. Not Tom Brady,Drew Brees or anyone else.So let's NOT sterotype every Colt supporter as believing/saying what a few do.Maybe some Colt fans didn't know Colt had just come off hip surgery? Honestly even if he were ready why take a chance of the guy getting hurt.Especially if you believe he can become what you envision for the future success of your team. Anyway many of us were satisfied to see him learning the NFL and the playbook. As was Colt who recently said so in his interview with Larry Micheal on Redskins Nation. He said that it was good for him, to sit and learn the playbook and become comfortable with his new surroundings. I agree the offense since Brunell in 2005 hadn't looked so good 'til Todd Collins came in late Nov 2007. I have no qualms if Collins were to be starter. He actually earned that by his play and leadership.When it looked hopeless. No matter who the starting qb is, I BELIEVE in Colt Brennan and what I've seen him do when counted out and faced with adversity. So Jason has earned nothing, but Colt has earned EVERYTHING by performing well in a couple of preseason games? Hmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Huh? If they ran the same play and the Colts were running the same defense it would be the same thing, but with starters. Guys would be in the same place. The main difference would be that the guys who are in those places would actually be good players and that ball would likely be intercepted. It doesn't matter if it is ARE or some scrub. Neither one is going to stop the fact that the safety on the play read that pass easily and a better safety would read it, AND be able to intercept the ball. Guys would not be in the same place, the separation would not be identical and open players would not be the same. There is a reason different players play the game. Maybe that is what you don't get about the QB position. The same position played by a different player can produce different results. You can't presume that Colt would make that throw against someone who could make a play on it or that it would be intercepted. Until he does, you are speculating. Then again, you really don't want to find out for sure because he might expose the fraud that we have at QB today. So all you can hold onto is diminishing the accomplishments of other Redskin players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana_89 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Why did you accuse me of being a "Campbell coddler"? I said absolutely nothing about him other than a pretty basic observation that he's the best QB on our roster as judged by a man well-qualified to say so in Jim Zorn.I never made any excuses for anyone, I simply asked a question about the blowback from "cult of colt" hysteria. Instead of addressing my point, you confirmed my view by launching an unfounded attack on me. But you obviously are a football expert, so I guess I should just be thankful you chose to respond to a mere fan such as I. Did I specifically call you a Campbell coddler? If you're not then I would imagine it wouldn't bother you to be called something you're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972FAN Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 What are you talking about Campbell is a back up who happens to be starting. Untill he proves himself he always will be look at that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpskins10 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 It looks to me more like it went right through his hands. He didn't really jump that far up. He was watching it the whole way. He knew where it was going but didn't have the talent to actually make a play on it. He just sort of flailed his arms in the air around the ball. Yeah, that's sort of what I saw. I still think the ball actually ended up behind him, but obviously things in slow-mo don't necessarily reflect the situation at game speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 So Jason has earned nothing, but Colt has earned EVERYTHING by performing well in a couple of preseason games?Hmm. Jason has proven to be a loser in the NFL. Colt hasn't proven anything other than being extremely impressive as a rookie in preseason. That is more than Jason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Jason has proven to be a loser in the NFL. Colt hasn't proven anything other than being extremely impressive as a rookie in preseason. That is more than Jason. Then why isn't Marcus Mason our starting RB? He's performed much better than CP in pre-season, and CP has been apart of a losing team for as long as he's been here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpskins10 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Then why isn't Marcus Mason our starting QB?He's performed much better than CP in pre-season, and CP has been apart of a losing team for as long as he's been here. Dude, don't even try. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightbird Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Did I specifically call you a Campbell coddler? If you're not then I would imagine it wouldn't bother you to be called something you're not. You tell me. In response to my post, you wrote: "Seriously do you Campbell coddlers realize how FED UP slot of us are with your excuses . . . " You can make up whatever you want to believe about me and all the coddling I do (hint: I don't do any), but my point remains: cultists of Colt are irrational, and their antagonistic posts are making it difficult to root for the guy. I'm still rooting for Colt because if he becomes a good QB it's good for the team, but good grief his fans are not doing him any favors here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmill11 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Jason has proven to be a loser in the NFL. Colt hasn't proven anything other than being extremely impressive as a rookie in preseason. That is more than Jason. I forgot that 8-8 constitutes as a loser in the NFL...wait...it doesnt. How can you say Colt is impressive. He is playing against guys who probably wont even end up making the teams' 53-man roster. You cant really say anything until he plays with first stringers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F Landry Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 To answer the question simply, Campbell can't be the backup because he doesn't want to. Why would he? If he has a chance to start with another team in the league (I gurantee you he could at least compete for a job with another team) then he has no reason to stay with us as a 2nd stringer. Close thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCalSkins Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Then why isn't Marcus Mason our starting QB?He's performed much better than CP in pre-season, and CP has been apart of a losing team for as long as he's been here. CP has carried this team to the playoffs. CP has made the playoffs every year JC has been on the team when JC wasn't his starting QB when the season ended. And if you want to compare the loser of a QB we have to the best RB in the NFL, go right ahead. Hard to lose credibility when you have none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana_89 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 So Jason has earned nothing, but Colt has earned EVERYTHING by performing well in a couple of preseason games?Hmm. Yep that's precisely what I said isn't it?? I NEVER said Colt earned anything did I? I couldn't be happier to see Chase Daniels and whoever else the f.o may bring in for competition at qb. I'm all for it. This is what I've said. I've said EVERYBODY should have to COMPETE for their position on this team. But does that negate the fact that Jason Campbell did NOT earn the job he had/ has? When he was handed the keys to the kingdom his mechanics were horrid.Let's not forget that funky ass throwing motion he had going on with him. He was in no position to be thrust into that position then and has done nothing mind blowing, and earth shattering to soilidfy that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 CP has carried this team to the playoffs. CP has made the playoffs every year JC has been on the team when JC wasn't his starting QB when the season ended.And if you want to compare the loser of a QB we have to the best RB in the NFL, go right ahead. Hard to lose credibility when you have none. I never compared JC to CP. You did. And I find it funny when someone who's well known for making dumb posts all the time talking about losing credibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRobi21 Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 Yep that's precisely what I said isn't it?? I NEVER said Colt earned anything did I? I couldn't be happier to see Chase Daniels and whoever else the f.o may bring in for competition at qb. I'm all for it. This is what I've said. I've said EVERYBODY should have to COMPETE for their position on this team. But does that negate the fact that Jason Campbell did NOT earn the job he had/ has? When he was handed the keys to the kingdom his mechanics were horrid.Let's not forget that funky ass throwing motion he had going on with him. He was in no position to be thrust into that position then and has done nothing mind blowing, and earth shattering to soilidfy that. 3 men are standing at the door to the kingdom, you've got your average man(JC) who gets things done. Nothing special, but rarely makes errors. An old fart(TC), although smart, has diminishing skill and will probably die in the next couple of days. And a young kid(CB5), although charasmatic and exciting, doesn't have what it takes to take on that kind of role just yet. Who are you gonna give those keys to? HINT: It isn't that hard of a decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SemperFISkins Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 JC should be the back-up...however, his skill level is better than Collins or CB5. We need a true signal caller with vet exp. CB5 might pan out one day...either start him and struggle for 2 years, or go for a vet out there and drop JC and Collins. (CAP penalties notwithstanding) I'm already hearing the Tim Tebow rumors....<sigh> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvtbred Posted April 30, 2009 Share Posted April 30, 2009 I forgot that 8-8 constitutes as a loser in the NFL...wait...it doesnt. When you have to discuss if 8-8 is a winning season or not it isn't one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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